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JasonH
09-04-2011, 05:52 PM
Just got back from 9 days on the Oregon Coast. Couple close calls, but no dice, yet...
Ran into a situation about 6 am friday morning. Having scouted a particular clearcut earlier in the week I got up early and drove into the unit and arrived around 5:30. Waited for shooting light to appear and started down the road. Standing atop the clearcut glassing and waiting for my partner to finish his morning business, I heard a truck pull up and park behind mine about 500 yards back up the gravel road. I was standing at the intersection where the gravel logging road goes left back into the trees and a dirt cat road takes off down the unit, along the tree line to a landing below.
I heard foot steps and looked up expecting my partner and was greeted with a brief hello by a hunter as he walked right past me and started down the cat road. I quickly got the guys attention and let him know I was hunting that unit. He told me he was too and that he had been hunting there all week. I told him I understood but we had gotten up early and been there first. I told him it was a tough break and that we had dibs on the unit today. He then tried to tell me he had guys coming from the bottom, which happens to be private farmland might I add. Again I told him I understand, but they will have to adjust their plans. He responded with its public land and I agreed that it was, but that it was good hunting ethics if another hunter is in there first, you got to move on. Feeling half way bad for the guy, I told him we'd be willing to let them come along, so he started down the road again. I stopped him once again and told the guy he was welcome to join, but we were heading down first. He disgruntling responded with a "go ahead then." So I started down and as I past in front of him, he calls me a prick. I quickly turn, looked him dead in the eye and ask why I was a prick. Surely he wouldn't follow other hunters right after the worked a tree line. Why would I?
Off I went and come to find out, he had some choice words for my buddy as he past by too. The road ended up being maybe a mile in length. During the hunt I felt bad, like I had been to direct and could've done more to work with the guy. But I feel that I was spot on after thinking about it and that it is a rule of common knowledge in hunting ethics to not impede on anthers hunt. Am I wrong?

ngallagher
09-04-2011, 06:26 PM
I was in a similar situation this weekend, but I was in the other guys shoes. I drove up to my unit in WY. I had only scouted one area in the unit, so I went up to the area I scouted on opening day. It had been about three weeks since I had been there. There was a pickup parked where I walk in at. I was kind of bummed, but thought oh well. When darkness came the other guy and me ended up coming down at about the same time. I tried to be friendly and ask him if he had had any luck. I could tell right away that he was upset that I showed up at the same spot. He said he had been watching the elk there for 4 days. He got really irritated when I said that I would be camping there. He said that he was going to just go hunt somewhere else. He couldn't believe that I actually walked up there after seeing his truck parked there. I told him that I wasn't trying to run him off, but that was the only area I had scouted, therefore that is where I planned on hunting.
I understand his position, especially because I think he was out of state. However, I, like you, was trying to be nice and reasonable, but he was obviously pissed and didn't want to talk. So I just said good luck.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but I do think that we are out there for the same reason, and if we happen in to bump into each other, we should just wish each other luck and move on. I don't think, however, just because he was there first he had exclusive rights to that area. It was just unfortunate that we ended up in the same place. I was actually just as irritated as he was, but I thought there was nothing I could do about it. He has just as much right to be there as I do.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck

Drhorsepower
09-04-2011, 07:06 PM
I've ran into people in the backcountry before with no issues. They have just as much right as I do. In my mind hunter ethics comes more into play when you are stalking or something similar. If I was that guy, would I have done that? Probably not. I would have moved along. Not on the road for one. Where I do see people get their panties in a bunch about territory is duck hunting. One time we were at the duckclub and these dudes were snow goose hunting with their decoys set up in the parking lot. Yes. The parking lot. So we went to the next parking lot and humped our layout boats 1/3-1/2 mile out in the flooded field and they were yelling at us. I couldn't believe it. We can barely make out what they were saying and you know how sound travels on a calm day over water. They packed up their decoys in their truck that they didn't park in a lot, it was 70-80 yds down the road from their decoys and left. Sorry guys. You can't have the whole duck club to yourself.

Colorado Cowboy
09-04-2011, 07:10 PM
Guys...I don't want you to take what I am going to say the wrong way, but IT IS public land and everyone has a right to be there. I used to hunt a lot in California and ran into this situation a lot. Best thing I can say is just suck it up and make the best of it. Sometimes more hunters can actually make it better. I've had to deal with it a lot more bird hunting that big game hunting. Lots of hunters hear shooting and bust their buns to get as close to you as possible hoping you bird dog for them. I know it's really discouraging after you've spent the time scouting and someone else shows up, but maybe they did the same when you wern't there. Here in SW Colorado we have a lot of public land and with over the counter elk tags, we get lots and I mean lots of NR hunters. We just have to deal with it and make the best of it.

OR Archer
09-04-2011, 07:49 PM
I just don't understand this kind of behavior in the woods. I was always taught that if someone is already there do not go in there. Period. It's just common courtesy to your fellow hunter.

*******
09-04-2011, 09:19 PM
For me it depends on a lot on the size of an area. If I see another truck at a trail head that leads into a 1000 sq miles of public land, I'll walk in. Simply because there is more than enough space for 2 guys to hunt. If it is a 1 mile road or a little cut block some place I will go elsewhere if it is already occupied. I feel the same when I see guys walking into an area I am in. If it is a big spot, come on it. If it is a tiny spot, keep on down the main road. Seems to be common sense.

If your likely to walk over a guys hunt, keep out. If there is so much space the odds are you wont, it is everyones land.

JasonH
09-04-2011, 09:22 PM
Thanks guys. Hey I understand sharing backcountry area on public land and have bumped into people during the course of a hunt as well. It happens. This I felt was a little different situation. In Oregon, you have a lot of big timber with spider webs of road systems. Makes it real easy to travel through a patch of timber and come out on an open unit and see another hunter. Usually you smile and back out with out disturbing the other guy if you can. The difference here is, take miles of forest and cut 200-300 acre patches out. Clearcuts. The cat road traveled solely along the side of this cut and ended, didn't connect to any other road system. The only way to really hunt it (elk not in the open) is to still hunt the tree line hoping to catch the elk in transit. Might be a 2 hour hunt if you go slowly and then you'd trek back to the rig and try the next spot.
I would agree we all have the same right to be there, but when it's obvious I'm there, getting ready to hunt the tree line and you walk by me with the intention of doing the same exact hunt I'm about to start, you are being a Richard. do you really want to be "that guy?" Would you walk up to a spot see someone 100 yards off creeping along and then follow suit? No, it would be pointless. This guys was trying to bully right past with hopes that I wouldn't call him on it. Proved by the fact that I told him he was welcome to follow suit right after us. Why didn't he? It would have been pointless with me already half hunted the spot. It would be like going to a concert/game with 1000's of open seats and standing right in front of another person blocking their view. You are either oblivious or a Richard. When it is big country, entirely different. You ask the other guy, where are you going to be? OK I'll be here...Simple, you might even use it to your advantage. Parked rig, no hunter in sight, ya, precede with caution, hunter starting a hunt and you rush right by and start hunting the same hunt... Come on?

Jerry
09-04-2011, 09:29 PM
This is why I refuse to hunt in the more populated areas. There are too many disrespectful and down right rude people in the woods. The last time I hunted an area that held multiple hunters, I felt like i had a target on my back. We were tailing a herd of elk and even before legal shooting light the shooting started, all my buddy and I could do was hit the deck and wait it out! After things quieted down we back tracked out of there and went to a different area. I have been on both sides of the coin and my solution is to stay away from other hunters!

338ultra
09-04-2011, 09:33 PM
I'm of the same opinion to that it is public land and everyone with a tag has a right to hunt there. My thought on your particular situation is to ask the guy where he was planning on going and try to work with him so that you weren't hunting the same trails and hunting on top of each other. I hunted public land in Idaho in 2009 and ran into several other hunters out on the trails. Just asked them which way they were headed and told them we would go in another direction but still hunt the same area and not each others laps. Wished them the best of luck and went about hunting. Now if either one of you were just planning on walking the roads and didn't want anyone to get past you, I would have definitley taken issue with that. You can't expect to stop all flow of traffic into a hunting area because you are on the road and you don't want any competition. Not getting onto anyone, because I wasn't there, but in those situations thats the mentality I would have.

338ultra
09-04-2011, 09:37 PM
Ok after reading your second post I see the picture now and agree with you. It would be like fishing a shore line for large mouth bass on a public lake and a guy swinging right in front of your boat and throwing out a lure on the line you are fishing. Yeah, I would have called him out too.

MOHunter
09-05-2011, 04:46 PM
I agree, after reading the 2nd post, that you should have called him out.

I definitely think it depends on the size/area. I've been on both sides of this several times. On an elk hunt in NW Oregon we parked behind another vehicle at the trailhead. The 2 guys in front were right at the gate, and they were ready to fight to keep us out. It was a very large area, they told us the water hole they were hunting, and we wanted to go down lower to a clearcut. I was furious, but we ended up moving to keep from having a physical confrontation.

I've also driven past hunting places in SE KS because I knew that 2 guys could not hunt the area effectively. I went on to find something else.

Last fall I was the first one to a good spot for whitetail hunting (I've had good success out of a particular tree over the years). I packed my treestand in and was nearly finished putting it up in the dark when a guy came walking up the trail with a headlamp. He proceeded to walk to a tree 10 yards from where I was without ever seeing me! Come to find out he had a climber stand already on that tree and had been hunting there a few days. I had not seen his stand. We had come in from different directions and he never saw my vehicle. I pulled my stand and moved back a ways, but it ended up ruining my hunt for the morning.

It's extremely frustrating when you put a plan together and someone else has the same idea. I think you just have to look at every situation and discuss it like a mature adult. Nobody likes to be in that situation.

Mrelite
09-07-2011, 11:04 PM
It's extremely frustrating when you put a plan together and someone else has the same idea. I think you just have to look at every situation and discuss it like a mature adult. Nobody likes to be in that situation.

I agree!

I also think what comes around goes around, be the better man and good things will come to you.

I often run into something similar but the guy is my hunting partner of 15 years, LOL he has never elk hunted with anyone else so he
often wants to be where I am even if we go in different directions, all of a sudden I will get to an area and sob if he hasn't diverted his direction seemingly to get in front of me, it really bothers me! so lately I have adjusted to where it can't happen.
I have no problem going in an opposite direction, I have done well doing so even if it wasn't my initial plan and I am happier.

elkmtngear
09-08-2011, 11:24 AM
Too much road access in Oregon, agreed! It is very hard to get find an area without some type of quad or road access. If I were the guy who arrived late, I would have probably looked for another area to go, especially if I ran into the other hunter. I wouldn't want to directly compete with another guy for the same group of elk, that's just me.

Best of luck,
Jeff

Leveller
09-08-2011, 06:54 PM
@JasonH - I think it was very admirable of you to offer to let him come along with you. Personally, I don;t hunt with just anyone. I like to know them, and know how they hunt and that they have high safety standards and good ethics when it comes to a clean kill. Kudos to you for being open to such a generous offer. I'm with OR Archer though - first come first served, and that means EACH day, not who got there first that week.

I was also out on the OR Coast range over the weekend and am happy to say everyone was playing nice in the woods that we ran in to...and.....I got my first black bear! Yeahhhh :)

sjsmallfield
09-08-2011, 07:27 PM
Congrats Leveller! Where are the pics?

JasonH
09-08-2011, 11:48 PM
My hunting partner scored on a black bear that tree itself this past weekend as well. It was a nice consolation prize for the 10 days of effort. Myself having already taken a bear in the past and being the gracious guy I am, let him fling an arrow. It was great to see my buddy get his first archery kill.

JNDEER
09-09-2011, 01:31 PM
I agree there should be a written code of "hunter ethics"......but the fact still remains Public land is Public land and it should be treated as such.

Leveller
09-09-2011, 06:59 PM
@JasonH - must be the time of year for treeing themselves - mine did the same.

@sjsmallfield - Attached is the pic - 150lbs and 180yds1695

sjsmallfield
09-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Congrats. Nice Bear!

Leveller
09-09-2011, 11:07 PM
Thanks sjsmallfield. Not only my first bear, but I got to break in my new Rem 300 Ultra Mag too!

brooks
09-10-2011, 04:32 PM
I don't even expect other hunters to give a darn any more really a lot of times they act just like everyone else these days ...every man for him self... Afew years ago I was hunting turkeys from a blind and had a flock of 2 big gobblers and about 6 hens working their way in when 2 guys snuck through the woods and down the river bank, walked up to where the birds were crawled up the bank and thru the high grass to the cut feild and shot a big gobbler right out from under me. They were about 100 yards from me they grabbed the bird and left. I had a gun and they both had guns...sucks.

dustyboots
09-28-2011, 12:06 AM
I had a couple situations come up last week while hunting an elite unit in New Mexico 100 tags for a huge unit. On two seperate occasions we were set up sitting water and were the first ones there and had prescouted each area. The first time a guy and presumably a guide came by our setup, saw us then proceeded to walk directly toward the elks bedding area bugling like crazy and then finally tromped off after not getting a response and spooking the elk. The second occasion was worse as we were about 3/4 mile from a 4 wheel drive trail set up on a natural lake where we had scouted a huge 7x8 and were sitting on a fresh wallow. The bull was bugling early and was working directly towards our setup then two guys showed up on the other side of the lake we waved so they knew we were there and hunting the area. They proceeded to sit down bugle and cow call at the bull then after several minutes got up and went chasing the bull and calling cutting us off and also with the wind totally against them. We walked over and tried to confront them but after scaring the bull out of the country they snuck out of the area as they knew they had done wrong.

tookeymonster
10-03-2011, 09:22 PM
I'm new to public land hunting and there are lots of good points/sides here. Good post

sethkuhl
10-06-2011, 12:58 PM
Being in my younger years, I have had great success in telling people who pull up to the same area and just continuing to hunt where I want. I have had my run ins, but in Western MT there are so many places to go, if someone is there before me I don't want to ruin their hunt or mine so I go elsewhere.
I did have one run in with a local guy (who claims to be blind) figure that one out, he was packing a rifle. I had gotten to a spot early, he pulled up after me with another two rigs in tow and I just straight told him what I was doing. He claimed he was going to do the same thing and asked how we would not "screw each other up" Told him to go with what he felt, grabbed my pack and continued. Not sure what he did, did not see him all day. It is public land, not sure it pertains to hunting ethics, but I think it does come back to integrity. Some people just don't have it!

xtreme
10-06-2011, 03:03 PM
I try to avoid other hunters and that is not always possible. While hunting elk near Delores Co I was at my stand for the morning well before daylight. I was in a good place with dark timber behind me and i was watching a drainage beneath me. I think it was an outfitter and his hunter came up stream and when they saw me the guide motioned me to leave by waving his arms. He was very insistant but I would not bulge, of course my hunt was ruined.
The other two bad expriences happened in Nebraska. The first was a young man who knew where I was hunting and he rode his atv to just above the bowl I was watching. He stopped and watched, after a while I yelled at him that I could handle this valley. He fired up the atv and came straight at me and when he got to me I didn't know what was going to happen next. He said,"mister I didn't mean any harm". I explained something about hunting ethics. He was a nice young man and we visited a while.
tT

The same trip and same place in Nebraska, a group of four hunters in a suburban managed to get it up a steep hill and proceeded to drive cross country, thru the woods and all fields. I sat down at the top of a steep hill on the edge of the property. They stopped at the bottom a spent probably five minutes trying to wait me out. I just sat there. That night when I walked the half to 3/4 miles down the trail, the game warden ask me if I had seen them. I told him I had and how bad they were, He said i have the evidence I need but I don't know where to find them. I told him he was in luck because I know where they sleep. He said I will get them.

llp
10-06-2011, 03:34 PM
While your second post may have helped clarify your posistion, your first post made it sound like you came off as the jack ***. If I ever encountered somebody on public land telling me I couldn't hunt in an area I would be offended. It isn't your area / road even if you are there first. Yes, I probably wouldn't have even hunted the same area if others were already there, but you don't know what he really had planned. He may have been continuing on to another clearcut, etc.

Many years ago, I arrived at a trailhead in MT and started a long 5 mile hike into my prescouted area 2 hours before light. There was a horse trail going most of the way, and I began plodding down the trail. About a half mile from the truck I encountered three hunters who stopped us, told us there were elk ahead, and we had to wait until daylight with them before proceeding. We indicated we still had 4+ miles to go, and would try not to spook the elk, but we were continuing on. We wouldn't be anywhere near them come first light. They were extremely unhappy, abusive, and claimed we were ruining there hunt and they were there first. Not a pleasant situation, but it is public land. I usually hunt so far in to avoid these confrontations, and in my expereince when meeting other hunters they rarely hunt where they say they are going.
Seek more secluded areas, and move on to somehwere else when the blow hards arrive.
llp

Drhorsepower
10-06-2011, 03:44 PM
While your second post may have helped clarify your posistion, your first post made it sound like you came off as the jack ***. If I ever encountered somebody on public land telling me I couldn't hunt in an area I would be offended. It isn't your area / road even if you are there first. Yes, I probably wouldn't have even hunted the same area if others were already there, but you don't know what he really had planned. He may have been continuing on to another clearcut, etc.

Many years ago, I arrived at a trailhead in MT and started a long 5 mile hike into my prescouted area 2 hours before light. There was a horse trail going most of the way, and I began plodding down the trail. About a half mile from the truck I encountered three hunters who stopped us, told us there were elk ahead, and we had to wait until daylight with them before proceeding. We indicated we still had 4+ miles to go, and would try not to spook the elk, but we were continuing on. We wouldn't be anywhere near them come first light. They were extremely unhappy, abusive, and claimed we were ruining there hunt and they were there first. Not a pleasant situation, but it is public land. I usually hunt so far in to avoid these confrontations, and in my expereince when meeting other hunters they rarely hunt where they say they are going.
Seek more secluded areas, and move on to somehwere else when the blow hards arrive.
llp

Aren't elk nocturnal? They move at night? First off they thought you were so inconsiderate. And they blamed their ruined hunt on you. I love it.

I agree second post help clarify the situation.

Colorado Cowboy
10-07-2011, 08:43 AM
I've hunted Wyoming since the 70's and had a situation come up some years back that was a little unusual. Wy has lots of isolated state owned sections called school sections. Lots of them are totally surrounded by private land. I had written permission to hunt on a private ranch and was hunting deer. A bordering ranch was leased out to an outfitter and posted as such. A school section was bordered on 3 sides by this ranch and on the 4th side by the ranch I had permission to hunt. I knew the area well and climbed over their posted fence on the school section. I shot a real nice 5x5 and was gutting it when my son (he had already shot a nice 4x4) told me someone was coming up the ridge we were on. A guide for the outfitter and his hunter arrived and the guide proceded to yell at me about trespassing, calling the sheriff and so on. I got out the topo map I always carried and showed him the public land we were on and my license with the landowners signature on it . Wy law say if you have written permission from a landowner adjacent to and bordering public land you can enter it, even if you cross a posted fence border. The guide was extremely pissed off, but finally left.

Sometimes no matter how you cut it, not everyone is pleased with a situation. This time I knew inadvance what the law was and knew I was right. I think the guide knew I was right as nothing was ever done or said about it.

jjenness
10-07-2011, 10:28 AM
What's the right, or wrong, answer here? I had something similar happen to me this year, only slightly different. Opening day of the MT bow hunting season I took a friend of mine into the hunting area that I had spent numerous hours into scouting. The area is a place where nobody else hunts, and I have had tremendous success in locating bulls every year. After all, he is the one who called me two days before the season opener and asked if he could tag along. So I thought that I was just being a good friend. After taking him into the area, one time, he then had himself and two other people in there the following week. The ended up shooting a six point bull that I had on trail camera. Needless to say that the elk promptly moved out of the area, and I only saw one bull in there the rest of the season. This to me falls on the side of, not right man. However, in responding to the thread at hand, I think that if a person is hunting public land and you run into another hunter, you always have to prepare yourself to have that person screw things up for you. It really boils down to the values that the person was either raised on, or the values that were taught to them by whomever introduced them to hunting. With more and more people getting of the beaten path, conflicts like this are destin to happen. All that we can hope for is that the other person shares some of the same values as us. If not, then I guess it's time to hunt farther and deeper than the other guy is willing to go.

oneredarrow
10-07-2011, 04:39 PM
Growing up in the back woods of Idaho I have seen this a lot. what I do is just be kind (after all we both share the same passion for hunting) and simply tell them what area I'm going to hunt. I ask them where they are planning on hunting. This way we can do two things. 1) stay out of each others way. 2) use the other hunter to my advantage. In other words let them push the game to you. I have killed lots of game that was pushed to me by others.

Our just hike farther than them.

This is what works for me. :)

henkesean
10-27-2011, 09:31 AM
Thats Why They Call It PUBLIC. Nobody has dibs. Its all open to anybody.