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Steakhunter
10-02-2011, 10:12 PM
Gonna be a rough night tonight! Just shot a good whitetail and assumed he was done within 80 yards. Found out he wasn't when I jumped him up about 100 yards from where I shot him. I had given him 2 hours before going after him and I thought the shot looked good. He was laying on a bank bobbing his head and simply got up and wobbly walked off. Backed out for the night and I'll go get him in the morning. Pics will follow tommorrow when I find him (opptomism)!!!!!

IL Hntr
10-02-2011, 10:16 PM
Good luck to you. I have been through that before and it usually doesn't allow for much sleep. Hopefully you will find him not far from where you last seen him.

Bitterroot Bulls
10-03-2011, 10:21 AM
I hope it works out as expected.

Good luck!

jenbickel
10-03-2011, 10:46 AM
Dontcha hate that?!! I'm never able to sleep when I have to wait for something like that. Hopefully you find him!! :)

sjsmallfield
10-03-2011, 12:41 PM
Good luck Steakhunter! We went through that with the buck my friend shot this year. I hope it all ends well.

Elkoholic307
10-03-2011, 08:45 PM
Did you use a gun or a bow?

Elkoholic307
10-04-2011, 08:08 PM
Gonna be a rough night tonight! Just shot a good whitetail and assumed he was done within 80 yards. Found out he wasn't when I jumped him up about 100 yards from where I shot him. I had given him 2 hours before going after him and I thought the shot looked good. He was laying on a bank bobbing his head and simply got up and wobbly walked off. Backed out for the night and I'll go get him in the morning. Pics will follow tommorrow when I find him (opptomism)!!!!!

Must not have found him?

NDHunter
10-05-2011, 07:19 AM
Good luck!

Steakhunter
10-05-2011, 08:56 PM
Sorry it took so long but I've been real busy................but I found him the next morning!!1808

Bitterroot Bulls
10-05-2011, 09:11 PM
We were keepin' our fingers crossed for ya, Steakhunter!

Well done, and nice whitetail!

Steakhunter
10-05-2011, 09:19 PM
Yes he was not a monster, but I didn't have it in me to let him walk. I am very happy with him though will look good on the wall, just dropped him off at the taxidermist last night. When I texted the wife that I just shot a pretty good buck, (after just coming back with that elk from Idaho), she told to make sure and stop on the way home and get a lottery ticket! I should mention this was my first trip in the treestand this year

Thanks for all the "finger crossin" it was much appreciated and may have even worked........who knows!

Steakhunter
10-05-2011, 09:29 PM
Thank you. He's not a monster buck, but I'm still happy. Different lookin rack and a fun evening in the stand(lots of deer movin)
When I texted the wife and told her I had just arrowed a pretty good buck(after just bringing that elk home from Idaho) she told me to be sure and stop on the way home to get a lottery ticket. ( It was my first trip to a stand this year).

Thanks for all the "finger crossin" it may have even worked.......who

dewey
10-05-2011, 10:07 PM
Congratulations steakhunter on in my book an awesome buck!!!

Dewey

jenbickel
10-06-2011, 10:02 AM
That is a very good buck!!! I'm so glad that you found him! Did you get any sleep?!!!

sjsmallfield
10-07-2011, 02:28 AM
Nice buck Steakhunter. Love the inline point on his right side.

Steakhunter
10-09-2011, 07:21 AM
Yes I did get a little sleep jenbickle, but not without the help of a couple cold beers!

Elkoholic307
10-11-2011, 09:06 AM
No offense to Steakhunter, but I'm surprised this thread didn't spark another ethical debate.

Drhorsepower
10-11-2011, 09:51 AM
No offense to Steakhunter, but I'm surprised this thread didn't spark another ethical debate.

Yeah no kidding.

Umpqua Hunter
10-11-2011, 09:34 PM
Nice buck...congrats

Steakhunter
10-12-2011, 06:46 PM
What other "ethical debate " is it that your talkin about?

Fink
10-12-2011, 08:14 PM
What would be unethical about it? The guy made a less than perfect shot, knew he wasn't going to recover his buck that night, came back in the next morning and found him.. I'd say that's about as ethical as ethical gets?

westernwannabe
10-12-2011, 08:36 PM
What would be unethical about it? The guy made a less than perfect shot, knew he wasn't going to recover his buck that night, came back in the next morning and found him.. I'd say that's about as ethical as ethical gets? I'll second that!

CrimsonArrow
10-13-2011, 04:39 PM
I'll 3rd that, the man made the right call. That's a nice buck you should be proud of, and I'm sure the meat was just fine.

Steakhunter
10-13-2011, 06:48 PM
Im sure the meat is fine, I butchered the deer myself and the meats in the freezer. I'm not sure what I did that is considered unethical, but sure seems good to me. Ive got a tagged deer head at the taxidermist and several pounds of meat in the freezer????????

Joe Hulburt
10-13-2011, 08:28 PM
Im sure the meat is fine, I butchered the deer myself and the meats in the freezer. I'm not sure what I did that is considered unethical, but sure seems good to me. Ive got a tagged deer head at the taxidermist and several pounds of meat in the freezer????????

Good job then! That is the desired result so you did very well.

I sure wouldn't loose any sleep over the occasional odd remark on a message board.....it goes with the territory unfortunately.

Drhorsepower
10-14-2011, 12:51 AM
Im sure the meat is fine, I butchered the deer myself and the meats in the freezer. I'm not sure what I did that is considered unethical, but sure seems good to me. Ive got a tagged deer head at the taxidermist and several pounds of meat in the freezer????????

I think what elkoholic was trying to say is he is surprised that giving the attitudes of people around here they would say you are unethical in harvesting a deer with a bow(less chance of a clean kill).I am not saying that neither is he. Some peoples thoughts on here the only ethical way of hunting is pulling a trigger and the animal flops over right there . (thats what we should all strive for and has been ingrained in all of our minds but sometimes that is just not the case. . It has been brought up in the past about long range hunting being unethical due to more chance wounding an animal to people on this site and resulted in a lot of people getting bent out of shape. he was just saying how people love to argue over stupid stuff on here when we should be more worried about our hunting heritage and right to bear arms, we have to fight each other on different ways of hunting rather than staying strong together and not weaken our union as hunting brothers and sisters. If we seperate then we are more vulnerable to anti hunting groups. I don't want this to start anything but it has raised a few people's interests.

Again very nice harvest. I'm jealous and I nor elkoholic or anybody else for that matter think you did anything unethical. He was just pointing out he is surprised someone didnt talk crap and try to get everybody yelling at each other behind a keyboard.

Sorry you have thought this was an attack against you if you did. I know elkoholic did not mean that at all.

In God We Trust
10-14-2011, 11:50 AM
Glad you found him. That is a nice buck!

Sawfish
10-14-2011, 02:35 PM
Good job killing and finding a very nice buck. I guess those cold beers sharpened your vision so you could find him the next day. Few hunters have not lived this situation, and the (seems like) 48 hours until dawn.

Steakhunter
10-14-2011, 05:00 PM
Holy crap!!!!!!HAHAHA!!!!! I've went over my entire story and wondered what it was I could have done or said that was unethical. If I had known that the "unethical" thing was shooting the deer with a bow from 21 yards I would have been laughing my but off!!!! If someone thinks that shooting this whitetail was unethical you should have been there a few weeks ago when I killed an elk in Idaho with a bow from 45.5 yards........he didn't go 2 feet. But I also had a 50 yard pin and had shot 30 arrows at 50yds every night for a quite some time before attempting that shot. No hard feelings toward you Drhorsepower or elkoholic, actually, thanks for the explanation. To those that may argue shooting an animal with a bow is unethical, you should see the guys that grab the open sighted 870 slug gun out of the closet untouched from the year before and go blaze at deer for a week on deer drives. And thats probabally a larger percentage of deer hunters than you would think. Boy I feel better now....but I always do after a good laugh! I will let this die now because I agree with you that us as hunters are a lot stronger group when we are fighting the anti- hunters and not each other. Thanks for clearing this up and thanks to everyone that posted congrats on this whitetail. We are all lucky that we can hunt the animals we do and choose what weapon we want to hunt it with....heck we're lucky we can own the weapons at all.

Elkoholic307
10-14-2011, 09:42 PM
Too bad you weren't on this forum earlier. Then you would know what I was talking about.

wolftalonID
10-15-2011, 01:52 PM
Steakhunter!!! Nice buck buddy! Thats two great harvests with that Mathews this year!! Congrats on knowing how and when to make that call on letting that buck go overnight. Not an easy call but it was well worth the efforts to do so as the pictures shows!!
Looking forward to seeing it mounted!!

Fink
10-18-2011, 05:52 PM
I think what elkoholic was trying to say is he is surprised that giving the attitudes of people around here they would say you are unethical in harvesting a deer with a bow(less chance of a clean kill).I am not saying that neither is he. Some peoples thoughts on here the only ethical way of hunting is pulling a trigger and the animal flops over right there . (thats what we should all strive for and has been ingrained in all of our minds but sometimes that is just not the case. . It has been brought up in the past about long range hunting being unethical due to more chance wounding an animal to people on this site and resulted in a lot of people getting bent out of shape. he was just saying how people love to argue over stupid stuff on here when we should be more worried about our hunting heritage and right to bear arms, we have to fight each other on different ways of hunting rather than staying strong together and not weaken our union as hunting brothers and sisters. If we seperate then we are more vulnerable to anti hunting groups. I don't want this to start anything but it has raised a few people's interests.

Again very nice harvest. I'm jealous and I nor elkoholic or anybody else for that matter think you did anything unethical. He was just pointing out he is surprised someone didnt talk crap and try to get everybody yelling at each other behind a keyboard.

Sorry you have thought this was an attack against you if you did. I know elkoholic did not mean that at all.

I wasn't trying to bust elkhunter out or anything like that, I was just wondering what could possibly be considered unethical about it... We all have our limits, and should feel comfortable within them, if someone else considers that unethical..... Well, whatever :)

Congrats on a nice buck! You'll have to post the final mounted pics of him.

Bitterroot Bulls
10-18-2011, 08:20 PM
Well,

I have kept out of this squabble until now, but I guess this is as good a place as any to put in my 2 cents.

First off, I couldn't agree more with Drhorsepower on hunters finding common ground rather than divisive issues.

I, for one, am not interested in debating the merits or demerits of long range hunting, whatever that means to different people. I appreciate all varying types of hunting and having some arbitrary range number that is ethical or unethical does little to settle any such debate. My opinion is hunters should be reasonably certain that they are going to make a fatal hit at whatever range they make a shot - that goes for bow or rifle. I understand that misses and bad hits happen at all sorts of ranges with all sorts of weapons.

There are some people that have an opinion that long range harvests are unethical. They are entitled to that opinion, and I think they can post that opinion, as long as they are civil about it. I also think that long range hunters are entitled to post about their harvests, as long as they are civil.

The history that Elkoholic posted about earlier, was a different sort of problem, in my opinion. Here is how I saw it: A former forum member posted a long-range harvest. The poster wrote about having the animal at a shorter range, but then left the animal and went a substantial distance simply to increase the difficulty of the shot. Many forum members took issue with this. The posting member then attacked other forum members, myself included (even though I had not posted anything on his thread), personally in his posts, bragged about violating game laws, and finally posted insults about the hosts of this forum and their family before being removed from the forum.

As Drhorsepower proposed, we should find common ground, and bringing this issue up in a 21 yard bow harvest thread is counterproductive to that goal. Comparing this incident to the long range harvest thread that sparked the issue, is incongruent, unless the facts in this thread included having the deer at 21 yards and spooking it to 150 yards, to increase the difficulty of the archery shot.

To Steakhunter,

I think you did a great job on a great buck.

BigSurArcher
10-18-2011, 09:08 PM
Thats a cool looking buck. Surprised he toughed it out so long with that hit too. Nice work on not pushing him. Some critters seem to have a tougher will to survive than others of the same species.

Steakhunter
10-19-2011, 10:22 PM
Hijack the heck out of this thread if it means we can all get a little better view of the problem, argument, or whatever it is thats gettin in our crawl, thats what these kind of forums are for.......gettin us (hunters) together and talkin about whatever it is we need to that has to do with our sport. As for me I am happy to have killed a good deer and let some stuff "air out" that i wasn't around for earlier. I did the best I could and it did the job, next trip out I will do the best I can again. I hope to watch a doe fall within sight of my stand, but I can not promise anything. I will practice, I will buy what I think is the best equipment I can, and I will try hard to make a good shot. But I cannnot guarantee you anything except this one thing.................I WILL KILL MORE DEER THIS YEAR AND I WILL ENJOY DOING IT!!!!!!! I also will eat a boatload of deer jerky, steaks, and burger, drink some cold beer, and gain a few pounds!!! Heck I may even show you guys a picture or two.......hopefully they're not just me drinking, but who knows.

Drhorsepower
10-19-2011, 11:49 PM
Hijack the heck out of this thread if it means we can all get a little better view of the problem, argument, or whatever it is thats gettin in our crawl, thats what these kind of forums are for.......gettin us (hunters) together and talkin about whatever it is we need to that has to do with our sport. As for me I am happy to have killed a good deer and let some stuff "air out" that i wasn't around for earlier. I did the best I could and it did the job, next trip out I will do the best I can again. I hope to watch a doe fall within sight of my stand, but I can not promise anything. I will practice, I will buy what I think is the best equipment I can, and I will try hard to make a good shot. But I cannnot guarantee you anything except this one thing.................I WILL KILL MORE DEER THIS YEAR AND I WILL ENJOY DOING IT!!!!!!! I also will eat a boatload of deer jerky, steaks, and burger, drink some cold beer, and gain a few pounds!!! Heck I may even show you guys a picture or two.......hopefully they're not just me drinking, but who knows.

I like your outlook!!! I heard whitetail is sum good eating. That's one of my goals in life.

Elkoholic307
10-20-2011, 08:32 AM
Hijack the heck out of this thread if it means we can all get a little better view of the problem, argument, or whatever it is thats gettin in our crawl, thats what these kind of forums are for.......gettin us (hunters) together and talkin about whatever it is we need to that has to do with our sport. As for me I am happy to have killed a good deer and let some stuff "air out" that i wasn't around for earlier. I did the best I could and it did the job, next trip out I will do the best I can again. I hope to watch a doe fall within sight of my stand, but I can not promise anything. I will practice, I will buy what I think is the best equipment I can, and I will try hard to make a good shot. But I cannnot guarantee you anything except this one thing.................I WILL KILL MORE DEER THIS YEAR AND I WILL ENJOY DOING IT!!!!!!! I also will eat a boatload of deer jerky, steaks, and burger, drink some cold beer, and gain a few pounds!!! Heck I may even show you guys a picture or two.......hopefully they're not just me drinking, but who knows.

Even though he didn't address any of my points, this post would make a lot more sense to people if they could see what I wrote.

westernwannabe
10-20-2011, 10:17 AM
Elkoholic307 if you don't want to bicker about this stuff why did you post the comment to begin with?

Elkoholic307
10-20-2011, 01:53 PM
My first post wasn't meant to start an arguement. I stated that I was surprised that noone brought up the ethical card. And I still am.

-Antelope gets shot at 1,010 yards and dies instantly. People throw a fit.
-Deer gets shot at 21 yards and suffers all night. Nobody says a word.

Elkoholic307
10-20-2011, 01:57 PM
And I just saw that another one of my comments from this morning has been deleted.

What an awesome and fair forum! Yeah, that's sarcasm.

westernwannabe
10-20-2011, 05:18 PM
My first post wasn't meant to start an arguement. I stated that I was surprised that noone brought up the ethical card. And I still am.

-Antelope gets shot at 1,010 yards and dies instantly. People throw a fit.
-Deer gets shot at 21 yards and suffers all night. Nobody says a word.

I have no problem with someone shooting a animal at a 1000 yards ,but I think you could get your point across better if you weren't trying to compare it to bow hunting. You attacking all bow hunters just because a few of them attacked you. Just go shoot your deer at 1000 and let them shoot theirs at 20. Your not going to change them and their not going to change you. Just leave well enough alone and everybodys happy:)

Steakhunter
10-20-2011, 06:49 PM
I like your outlook!!! I heard whitetail is sum good eating. That's one of my goals in life.

I'd tell you to come on over some evening and I'd fix you up with the best deer steaks I can make and an ice cold beverage of your choice, but I see your from NV and that would be one heck of a drive for deer steak and beer. Maybe we could kill a deer or two if that made it a little more worth while.

Steakhunter
10-20-2011, 07:13 PM
Even though he didn't address any of my points, this post would make a lot more sense to people if they could see what I wrote.

Elkholic307 No I did not address any of your points, but as you stated at the begining of this thread I was not around to even know what it is that you are talking about. Maybe if you reiterated what it was you were referring to, your post may have made a lot more sense to me. Also a little hard to pay a lot of attention to posts like "Shoot it with a gun or bow", "I take it you didn't find him", and ones that start with "No offense Steakhunter" when Im hearin people that are explaining to me what the unethical thing being spoke of is and congradulating me on the whitetail. Not stirring crap here but not taking any either. If I was so unhappy with this unfair and crappy forum, I'd probabally go look for another forum, but then again, I kinda like this forum. But I'll end this the same way as always. Elkholic get your gun or bow, go get DRhorsepower and his gun or bow, get in the truck and drive your butts to Ohio. I'll buy the beer, may even have a vacant apartment to put you up in, and well all go shoot, deer, turkey, squirels, or carp....whatevers in season when you get here!

Drhorsepower
10-20-2011, 07:17 PM
I had a couple deer points so I the next few years so who knows, I'll be heading that way again in the next few years. I took my antelope up there last year so it'll be a while before I build enuogh points there again!

Steakhunter
10-20-2011, 07:41 PM
I had a couple deer points so I the next few years so who knows, I'll be heading that way again in the next few years. I took my antelope up there last year so it'll be a while before I build enuogh points there again!

Im in southern ohio all you need is an out-of-state liscense and a deer tag I can check on prices for you if you want. Shotgun season is coming end of next month.

Elkoholic307
10-20-2011, 08:43 PM
Elkholic get your gun or bow, go get DRhorsepower and his gun or bow, get in the truck and drive your butts to Ohio. I'll buy the beer, may even have a vacant apartment to put you up in, and well all go shoot, deer, turkey, squirels, or carp....whatevers in season when you get here!

Sounds good to me. I'd like to get a midwestern whitetail.

Drhorsepower
10-25-2011, 01:45 AM
Thanks for offer. I have two kids here one being a newborn and going through medic school. My time is occupied to the max. Also going to Peru on a medical internship so money is also getting maxed out this year.

I haven't been one day out in the field this year! I remember my single days and no kids days I was living out there. Now the only time i see sage brush is in the morning when I take my dog for a run behind my house! Small sacrifice though and temporary. I have a son and daughter and getting a good education.

Reflex
10-25-2011, 08:08 AM
Well,

I have kept out of this squabble until now, but I guess this is as good a place as any to put in my 2 cents.

First off, I couldn't agree more with Drhorsepower on hunters finding common ground rather than divisive issues.

I, for one, am not interested in debating the merits or demerits of long range hunting, whatever that means to different people. I appreciate all varying types of hunting and having some arbitrary range number that is ethical or unethical does little to settle any such debate. My opinion is hunters should be reasonably certain that they are going to make a fatal hit at whatever range they make a shot - that goes for bow or rifle. I understand that misses and bad hits happen at all sorts of ranges with all sorts of weapons.

There are some people that have an opinion that long range harvests are unethical. They are entitled to that opinion, and I think they can post that opinion, as long as they are civil about it. I also think that long range hunters are entitled to post about their harvests, as long as they are civil.

The history that Elkoholic posted about earlier, was a different sort of problem, in my opinion. Here is how I saw it: A former forum member posted a long-range harvest. The poster wrote about having the animal at a shorter range, but then left the animal and went a substantial distance simply to increase the difficulty of the shot. Many forum members took issue with this. The posting member then attacked other forum members, myself included (even though I had not posted anything on his thread), personally in his posts, bragged about violating game laws, and finally posted insults about the hosts of this forum and their family before being removed from the forum.

As Drhorsepower proposed, we should find common ground, and bringing this issue up in a 21 yard bow harvest thread is counterproductive to that goal. Comparing this incident to the long range harvest thread that sparked the issue, is incongruent, unless the facts in this thread included having the deer at 21 yards and spooking it to 150 yards, to increase the difficulty of the archery shot.

To Steakhunter,

I think you did a great job on a great buck.

Well said!!!!!!!!!!