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Guy
11-23-2011, 05:22 PM
We're continuing to see an alarming trend in Western wildlife management. I am calling it the "Predator Death Spiral." The underlying cause of this phenomina is when a wildlife agency attempts to hide or "pad" their big game population estimates when over predation begins to take hold. This in turn creates a downward spiral that cannot easily be avoided, and is often not even noticed until the state hits both a financial and PR rock bottom. Idaho was the first state to hit the wall with the "Spiral" followed by Montana and now Wyoming has begun to slip into the Spiral's grip. The wolf situation has caused these three Western states to slide down the jagged slope of diminishing herds, shrinking revenues and bad PR among their customers and financial lifeline...out-of-state hunters.

The details of the spiral start out very subtle. The wolves, cougars and grizzly bears start to take a few more elk and moose each year as their unchecked populations grow and expand. The state does not react at first with cuts in the tag quotas. This would mean a decrease in revenue that would have to be met with either more tags somewhere else or even worse, budget cuts. So they do what most Government agencies would do in this situation...nothing! After a few years of turning a blind eye to the situation a bad winter like the winter we had in 2006 and 2011 hit and further accelerated the problem. But, the bad winter was even worse than imagined from a wildlife management perspective. The increased snowpack and cold temps caused far more than the usual winter kill. The predators did extremely well because of the increased snowpack that gathered the herds even tighter than usual, on heavy snow accumulations that created a wolves dream come true scenario. A concentrated food source stuck in a snow bank that cannot escape...perfect. After the long cold winter is over the elk and deer that did survive go into the spring in tough shape. Many of the cows and does have aborted their young in order to survive.

The post winter mortality counts come back into the department as an alarming number. But budgets have to be met. So being ever optimistic the state decides to give the remaining quotas just one more year to see if they might bounce back. After-all, the counts could have been flawed, there is no way we could have lost that many big game assets in one year, right?

The next fall the hunters are complaining, the harvest stats are coming back very low and things are not looking good on the PR front. Many non-resident hunters are threatening not to apply the following year and the outfitters are starting to make their voices heard.

The state reacts, and cuts the elk tags inside the wolf and winter zones. But the money has to be made up somewhere, after all a few hundred non-resident elk tags equate to big money. So the state moves to increase the quotas on elk outside the wolf zone and increase the deer and antelope tags substantially in an effort to compensate for the loss in revenue.


As wolves continue to take their toll, state Game and Fish Departments struggle to make their budgets as big game populations plummet and demand for non-resident licenses crash.
A second harsh winter strikes and wipes out the antelope and deer herd excesses. Things are looking bad, but the state budgeteers don't give up easily. Someone recommends the idea of raising license costs to all hunters, after all supply and demand economics formulas say a non-resident elk tag should go for over $2,500. But the resident tag increases get shot down by the commission but everyone likes the idea of sticking to the non-resident hunter a bit more. They can afford it, have you seen how much a house in California is worth? (pre-2008 of course). The following fall the hunters don't see near the game they did even the previous year. Things are getting bad. Thanks to the internet the word gets out and many of the non-resident hunters move their camps and non-resident dollars to Colorado and New Mexico to hunt elk and deer.

The next thing the state knows, they are sitting on millions of dollars worth of unclaimed and unwanted non-resident tags. Now with the wildlife resource in shambles and a multi-million dollar budget shortfall the state is finally forced to wake up and smell the coffee. This isn't the 1970's...it's no surprise to us that a non-resident hunter who pays over $1,000 for an elk tag expects a good elk hunt, why should it come as a surprise to the state Game and Fish Commission? But it does. What the state fails to realize is, that once they began to charge that kind of money for tags and preference points they in affect gave up the option to simply brush it off as a "bad winter, try again next year" excuse that worked so well in the past. In the information age non-resident hunters no longer accept excuses easily.

This is the bottom. A state is stuck to come clean and admit they are in a real hole. They don't have the wildlife any longer to support their budgetary needs and their customers know it. This is the type of situation where a little fudge in numbers here and there has created a beast that cannot be controlled and is getting bigger, badder and uglier every year until the bottom is hit.

Why? Because it would mean that the states would have to admit to contributing to their own financial demise. Some Western Fish and Game Departments have in fact become a wolf in sheep's clothing to their constituants. Some inside the departments have, although reluctantly, in some cases went along with the Federal Government's master plan to re-introduce super predators back into the ecosystem to eventually control big game herds without the use of hunters. It's almost as if the state neglected to realize that this would, in fact, slit their own throats by gutting their departments of the necessary funding to run.

And this is not just a Wyoming, Montana and Idaho problem. Wolves have already begun to take hold in Washington, Oregon and Utah. Nevada, and Colorado are certainly next. And for all of you midwest whitetail hunters out there, sorry, your not safe either. The government has devised a plan to expand the Mexican wolf North from Arizona and New Mexico into Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, North and South Dakota and Nebraska to connect with the upper midwest wolf populations in Minnesota and Wisconsin. This would give super predators a way to control whitetail deer populations minus the use of hunting as a management tool.

This is a critical situation but all is not lost yet. There have been huge strides made in the recent wolf debate and wolves are starting to be controlled now in Montana and Idaho. We all as hunters need to keep pressure on our politicians and state agencies to make sure they do the right thing for our wildlife. We pay them to manage our wildlife resource in a responsible manner, make them earn their money. Taking the easy way out is not good enough. They need to do better, our big game wildlife resource depends on it.

Drop me a line and let me know what your thoughts are...maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist...who knows. I know what I've heard and seen first hand so far, though, and it's not looking good.

Guy

mntnguide
11-23-2011, 05:42 PM
I dont think you could have put things in line much better. Its a situation that is not going to disappear and one that these states are not going to be able to solve quickly. Its something that we will be struggling with for an unknown period of time right now, and its unfortunate to have to see first hand. Yes Idaho and Montana have got a small jump on things with the wolf hunting seasons, but that being said, it will continually be fought in court and we will never be sure that the seasons will continue like they need to. The most unfortunate problem now is even with the wolf seasons, the actual affect we are having on the wolf population is still minimal. They are an incredibly smart animal and unfortunately learn quick now that we have put some blood on the ground. Idaho has the right step with the trapping seasons, as this will be one of the ways we can manage them through the winters when they are easier to find. I can only hope Wyoming is able to begin managing them next season as it is getting necessary especially in the Northwest corner.
On another page of the predator issue is the threat of the Grizzlies in certain areas, though not as drastic as the wolves they have become a serious issue. I made a statement in a different post about the situation that I have seen first hand, but it is one that will need to be addressed in the years to come.
It will be interesting to see the outcome in the years to come on how states deal with these issues of loss of wildlife, yet trying to bring in constant revenue, which non-residents are necessary for.

Bitterroot Bulls
11-23-2011, 07:59 PM
Grizzlies have recovered throughout Montana and need to be managed as a trophy species again. Trapping wolves will be necessary in MT as well.

Kevin Root
11-23-2011, 08:02 PM
Well written Guy. The "Predator Death Spiral." is a huge issue. Without hunters being seen and used more as a wildlife management tool the spiral and issues will surly only get worse. Reintroducing and protecting super predators for as long as they did and do, was and is a bad decision of wildlife management.

Colorado Cowboy
11-23-2011, 09:17 PM
You got it right! I don't have any experience with wolves or grizzlies and we don't have a population here in Colorado, but that doesn't mean that wolves won't be here whether we want them or not. I just returned from a wilderness hunt to the Thorofare Valley in the Teton Wilderness bordering Yellowstone NP and witnessed firsthand what a force they are on the big game animals we love to hunt. The population of elk, deer and moose have really been impacted. I was there hunting during the rut and the bulls were not bulgling at all. My guide and I were working a small group of cows and a bull and cow calling him. He only grunted a few times and within 10 minutes there were 9 wolves on them! My guide told me that there were fewer elk than he had ever seen and almost no moose. There were bleached bones everywhere we went. Pretty sad. I do know one thing, if I ever see a wolf here in Colorado....the 3 S's will happen immediately!

RUTTIN
11-24-2011, 09:48 PM
It is amazing how our state agencies can try and hide, or scue numbers on our game animals. I had drawn a archery Utah antelope tag last year in a unit that the Fish and Game had trapped antelope, and transplanted them to a different unit. One of the officers had told me they took at least 500 animals off of a unit that was known for good numbers, couple that with a hard winter and when I scouted for my hunt I could not find any goats. They assured me they were there, when I talked to the agency that had done the count for the fish and game they said that there were about 300 antelope in the whole unit. The fish and game had told me there were 1500 antelope in the unit. After the archery hunt all of the archers complained that they could not find any antelope. They did aerial counts in a helicopter and found out they really did not have the numbers they thought they had. They shut down 500 doe tags and most of the rifle hunters turned their tags back in, getting back their money and bonus points, the archers however were just told sorry!
Good read Guy, thanks.

Ikeepitcold
11-25-2011, 09:22 AM
Thanx for putting this in perspective for me. I am one of those hunters that will have a hard time ever hunting Id again. After 8 years of hunting in many different areas in Id the game is gone! Were we would see 100+ deer everyday, Elk everywhere and Moose cruising the hillsides down to hearing coyotes serenading every morning and only seeing a few small deer scared of their own shadows and just as you said just as many hunters out finding nothing. It's sad that we spend so much money as NR hunters to come home empty handed.
I hope these states get it together soon. I will never give up hunting. Hunting is what we as a family do together so if we put these super predators on our HIT LIST so be it!

Thank you Guy and the Eastmans for speaking up and making this issue be heard!

Ikeepitcold
11-25-2011, 09:27 AM
You got it right! I don't have any experience with wolves or grizzlies and we don't have a population here in Colorado, but that doesn't mean that wolves won't be here whether we want them or not. I just returned from a wilderness hunt to the Thorofare Valley in the Teton Wilderness bordering Yellowstone NP and witnessed firsthand what a force they are on the big game animals we love to hunt. The population of elk, deer and moose have really been impacted. I was there hunting during the rut and the bulls were not bulgling at all. My guide and I were working a small group of cows and a bull and cow calling him. He only grunted a few times and within 10 minutes there were 9 wolves on them! My guide told me that there were fewer elk than he had ever seen and almost no moose. There were bleached bones everywhere we went. Pretty sad. I do know one thing, if I ever see a wolf here in Colorado....the 3 S's will happen immediately!


The 3S's !!!! You said it Cowboy!

Drhorsepower
11-25-2011, 11:24 AM
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Tell em what you think.

Pronghorn73
11-25-2011, 08:45 PM
Guy, very well said. I could not have put it into words the way you do, but exactly my thoughts on the situation.

sethkuhl
11-28-2011, 02:58 PM
I am known as the guy who bit@@@ about everything. Been saying this for years and fish and game here in western mt has been covering up the kills with extra tags. 2007 or 2008 they put out over 1,000 cow tags in mineral county! Not enough elk for that is what I said then and now our herds are hurting.
Now the fish and game has a deal where juniors and seniors get to shoot cow or doe with their general tags! I am all for opportunity for hunters, but where will this leave us when we have no females to regenerate the population with. I saw less deer this rifle season than I have seen in single days ten years ago!
Where did they go? That is all I ask any fish and game person at the meetings. Where did they go?

sethkuhl
11-28-2011, 02:59 PM
Fish and game personel?

OR Archer
11-28-2011, 03:05 PM
Not only do you have wolves coming on the scene here in Oregon but we already have an over population of cougars and bears. Its amazing that a deer or elk can survive in this state with the predator population, poaching, and over harvest in some units.

jjenness
11-30-2011, 04:10 PM
When you see our predator populations being more strictly managed than our elk and deer here in MT, a person has to ask where the true loyalties lie with our states Fish and Game department. With such strick quotas on lions, and now wolves, and not so strick quotas on our elk and deer their is only one outcome possible, the continued decline in the elk and deer populations. And now these predators are relocating closer and closer to our towns. Just this past weekend a friend was deer hunting 70 yards behind my house, and when she decided to get up and move to a new location, there was a lion a mere 10 feet behind her. Luckily she got spun around and put a round from her .300 into the big cat or else who knows what could have happened. The lions are getting pressured out of their normal habitat due to overpopulation from the wolves. Great choice reintoducing the apex predator that our nation worked so hard to eliminate 70 years ago. The 3 S's will become the norm for people, unfortunantly.

Reflex
12-01-2011, 10:48 AM
Well put Guy. Thanks for your input.

JNDEER
12-01-2011, 07:03 PM
Has anyone watched or seen this?

http://cryingwolfmovie.com/

Don
12-06-2011, 03:51 PM
Guy has one of the best articles out there to describe our wildlife agencies. They are hurting for money and I'm sorry about that but, why put our animals through more than they can handle? Out west in Washington just prior to the hunting season the Dept. of Wildlife starts promoting sales by stating how it will be a banner year. This is done for the fishing seasons also just to find sealions 100 plus miles up the Columbia and not just targeting the Salmon. We are limited as to what we can legaly do about the super predators but we can all help with the Coyotes and Mt. Lion in most western states. Anyone interested in big game should also be interested in predator control. Its a great way to scout and it beats yard work.

poppapump
12-21-2011, 11:33 AM
Dead on!!!! Thank you for using your "platform" to stand up for us and for what is right! Someone with your exposure it is nice to see a strong spine. Thank you!!!