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Sloan
01-25-2012, 10:20 PM
I am planning on buying a new rifle soon and looking for some advice. Just trying to get a consensus on what most people think would be the max weight for a rifle to be comfortable on back country hunts. Also i will probably just use this rifle for anything really from deer to possibly moose one day so advice on calibers would be great. Thank you so much for your advice it is really appreciated.

7mmshot
02-03-2012, 01:20 AM
I've never hunted anything bigger than elk. But i have dropped elk at 420 yards and seen many a deer fall to my 7mm with 150 grain.
i want to get another gun just cuz. But the ol 7mm gets the job done

Bitterroot Bulls
02-03-2012, 08:37 AM
The weight of a backcountry rifle is a personal preference thing. Super light rifles are easy to pack, but can be hard to steady, especially when tired at high elevation. My personal backpacking rifle is a 7mm-08 Remington Model 7. However, mine is almost a pound heavier than factory, as I had it rebarrelled with a heavier contour Douglass barrel. Total wieght is right under 8 pounds loaded.

Anything from 7mm-08 to the fast 338s would be great choices for cartridges. The typical all-rounders are the 7mm magnums and 300 magnums (short and long).

buckbull
02-03-2012, 08:43 AM
I prefer as light as a rifle that I can get my hands on. I find myself grabbing my Tikka T3 (6.5 lbs) more often than the other rifles in my safe. I'm not terribly recoil shy so a light rifle doesn't bother me as much as toting a heavier rifle. If I had a money tree out back I'd buy a Melvin Forbes rifle. I prefer the .300 win mag over anything else I have. IMO, it has the greatest punch for the amount of recoil I want, endless supply of bullets available (construction and weight), easy to find ammo, etc. The browning X-bolt is another light rifle to look at too if weight is a consideration.

xtreme
02-03-2012, 09:01 AM
I know just the gun for you. The Browing Stainless Stalker X-bolt in 7mm and I would have a BOSS on it also. Weight is under 7lbs, a good trigger, just a load of features. The Boss system works. I have an a-bolt with a brake and a CR. With the 9 1/2 twist I shoot 168 Bergers for deer or elk. This gun with the Boss makes me want to try shooting varmits with it.

I dont have a 7mm-08 like Bitteroot but I want one.

Kevin Root
02-03-2012, 09:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uc5Qp4FRw0

I heard about this gun at the 2012 SHOT show, Kimber Mountain Assent. Does anyone know much about this rifle? I can't find it yet on their website. Less then 5 pounds but I'm wondering if the recoil issue will be bad severe due to the light weight.

Montana
02-03-2012, 09:19 AM
You won't like my opinion... Or at least your wallet won't. But with that exact question... You simply have to have 2 completely different rifles. I shoot a Browning Abolt 25 WSSM for back country hunts and a 7 WSM for larger animals (no moose). It's not too often that you would do a back country moose hunt and even elk... If you do.... You just have to be prepared for some serious weight or hire someone to worry about the weight for you.

So..... One rifle for back country- .243/25 cal, heavily explore the short mags and/or the model 7 to shave weight. Then just go big for elk and moose. 300 plus, maybe even a 338. But again.... just my opinion:)

xtreme
02-03-2012, 09:38 AM
I like the solution Montana gave, I too shot a short mag. Mine is a Browing A-bolt in 243 WSSM. Both my Browings with BOSS will shoot 1/2 MOA or better. I admit I spent a lot of time getting them to shoot that well, now all I have to do to change bullets is look at my records and shoot light or heavy bullets, I don't know how it get any better.
Matching bullet weight to twist rate is a factor to consider.

Sloan
02-03-2012, 10:19 AM
Thank you all for the advice i really do appreciate it.

Drhorsepower
02-03-2012, 10:30 AM
I agree with bb. My personal choice is a 7mm rem mag in a rem 700 adl.
I would go with a 7mm or 300 win mag. I like the shorts performance but I don't like mag capacity! I hear they are tough to reload for also. I do not have any experience with that.

Bitterroot Bulls
02-03-2012, 10:48 AM
I agree with bb. My personal choice is a 7mm rem mag in a rem 700 adl.
I would go with a 7mm or 300 win mag. I like the shorts performance but I don't like mag capacity! I hear they are tough to reload for also. I do not have any experience with that.

I have had several short mags, and found them really easy to load for. Mag capacity differences is 1 round usually.

To clarify me post above, my Model 7 is sub 7 pounds without a scope and unloaded. The total weight is loaded and scope mounted. I like the balance between portability and shootability at around those weights (those t3 lites are in there - those are nice rifles).

When I talked about the super light rifles, I was talking about rifles like New Ultra Light Arms and the above referenced Kimber. It is tough to keep your heartbeat from making the crosshairs move on those little rifles. Recoil is higher on lighter rifles but proper shooting technique should take care of it.

xtreme
02-03-2012, 11:25 AM
So I checked the weight of three guns again, the 243 wssm with z5 5x25 was 8 lbs, the Rem 700 with v-ll was 9lbs and the Browning 7mm with a VX-7L 4.5x18 weighted 10.5. These scopes were purchased before I found out about the effects of age on exit pupil. Ammo is lighter for the short mags.
I think I will take the 243 to the range today. We have an indoor 100 yd range with all the goodies.

Colorado Cowboy
02-03-2012, 01:08 PM
I am an old fashioned, older hunter (70). I have a .300 Wby on a custom built commercial Mauser. It is an old rifle that has served me well. I rebarreled it recently with a Shilen Match SS barrel. It also has a B & C composited alum bedded stock. Not particularly light, but very accurate. Shoots less than minute groups at 500 yds.

Bitterroot Bulls
02-03-2012, 01:15 PM
So I checked the weight of three guns again, the 243 wssm with z5 5x25 was 8 lbs, the Rem 700 with v-ll was 9lbs and the Browning 7mm with a VX-7L 4.5x18 weighted 10.5. These scopes were purchased before I found out about the effects of age on exit pupil. Ammo is lighter for the short mags.
I think I will take the 243 to the range today. We have an indoor 100 yd range with all the goodies.

Xtreme,

You could save quite a bit of weight putting some smaller glass on those rifles. I have a 2-7x32 Vortex Viper on my backpacking gun, and it is a nice match. If you like your z5, Swarovski makes a 3-9x32 Z3 that is a fine hunting scope with excellent optical performance. It is also pretty affordable, for a Swarovski.

jay
02-03-2012, 08:03 PM
I recently got a browning xbolt 30-06 and a 7mag. I really like the xbolt 06, very light, and very accurate. I started a thread called All around western big game rifle, or something like that, that has alot of information. Take a look at it, theres alot of great info on there that everyone provided.

hvfd21walker
02-03-2012, 08:13 PM
If you can only buy one gun. I would recommend the 300win mag. You can hunt anything with it with such a wide variety of bullets. For a backcountry gun I would recommend a 257 weatherby mag in a remington cdl with a fluted barrel. Thats my 2cents and my opinion.

bigshot
02-03-2012, 11:42 PM
I bought my wife a Browning A-Bolt II, Stainless Stalker, in 300wsm with the BOSS. Its light (approx. 6 1/2 lbs) and shoots my reloads into small 3/8 inch groups at 100 yards. I really like it, oh, by the way my wify likes it too. Its her only rifle and uses it for all her big game hunting.

Shaun
02-04-2012, 08:18 AM
What kind of price ramge are you looking at? Best bang for your buck it the Tikka T3 Lite I own one in 300 Win Mag. If you ar looking to spend a hefty chunk of change look at christiansen arms

ajkissel
02-06-2012, 07:27 PM
cant go wrong with a 300 win mag. I backpack hunt with an a-bolt synthetic stock ad leopold v3 3x9 lightweight and accurate.

Fish
02-07-2012, 09:49 AM
I have two Win model 70's fetherweigths, one in 7x57 the other in 6.5x55. They are 6.5lb guns without the scope. I have a 2x7 leupold and a 2x7 Burris compact scope on them. I shot a goat, a bear and several deer on backpack hunts here in WA with the 7x57 loaded hot. They are my go to rifles when I backpack hunt.

Kevin Root
04-15-2012, 08:47 PM
Reading Eastmans' hunting journal April May 2012 article on "Lightweight Mountain Rifles" had me looking back on this thread a bit. I've kind of gotten set on getting a 7mm Rem Mag rifle on my gear upgrade list. Looking at the Easmans' list not many offer that caliber. Browning X-Bolt being one on their list. I've shot a Browning X-Bolt already or at least I had one in the 1990's and I'm kind of looking for something more refined like they write but don't really know what, "more refined" means. Has anybody shot the Weatherby Mark V Ultra Lightweight?

Bitterroot Bulls
04-15-2012, 09:04 PM
The Mark 5 UL is a great rifle, Kevin. A local dealer sells a few new, and I never see them used.

I don't think you shot an x-Bolt in the 90's though, as they didn't exist then. I bet it was an A-bolt. :)

Kevin Root
04-15-2012, 09:21 PM
The Mark 5 UL is a great rifle, Kevin. A local dealer sells a few new, and I never see them used.

I don't think you shot an x-Bolt in the 90's though, as they didn't exist then. I bet it was an A-bolt. :)

Your right it was a A-bolt. I don't have it anymore. I just remember the "-bolt" part. Thanks for the feedback on the Mark 5. The spider web design on the stock looks a lot like your 7mm Rem Mag project and I'm leaning on that as my backpack rifle now. If I were more gunsmith gifted I'd try tackling a project like what you did but I think I'd be better off just paying for something out of the box instead.

buckbull
04-16-2012, 01:35 PM
I have shot the Mark Five ultralight. It has the same feel as a regular mark v. It was in .240 weatherby so recoil wasn't too bad. Weatherby stock design is suppose to offset felt recoil. To me, weatherby's (both mark V's and vanguards) are for big guys. I'm 5'8" and smaller stocked rifles just seem to fit better, x-bolt and tikka's are the most comfortable to me.

Also, I went to the NRA annual convention yesterday to check out all the latest rifles. I was unimpressed with the savage light weight hunter that was reviewed in the latest magazine.

Kevin Root
04-16-2012, 02:15 PM
I have shot the Mark Five ultralight. It has the same feel as a regular mark v. It was in .240 weatherby so recoil wasn't too bad. Weatherby stock design is suppose to offset felt recoil. To me, weatherby's (both mark V's and vanguards) are for big guys. I'm 5'8" and smaller stocked rifles just seem to fit better, x-bolt and tikka's are the most comfortable to me.

Also, I went to the NRA annual convention yesterday to check out all the latest rifles. I was unimpressed with the savage light weight hunter that was reviewed in the latest magazine.

Thanks buckbull for the fit feedback on the Mark V. The x-bolt was another option in 7mm Rem mag that I was looking at. I think I need to make a trip to the gun shop to check them out in person :).

sjsmallfield
04-16-2012, 03:49 PM
Hey Kevin I have a Mark V Syn SS and I love it. It is a .257wby and I have had it for about 12 years. It is my favorite for deer and antelope. A couple of my friends have the ultralight and they have been very happy. (.280 and 7mm-08) I have shot them both and wouldn't hesitate to get one if I had the money.

Kevin Root
04-16-2012, 04:29 PM
Hey Kevin I have a Mark V Syn SS and I love it. It is a .257wby and I have had it for about 12 years. It is my favorite for deer and antelope. A couple of my friends have the ultralight and they have been very happy. (.280 and 7mm-08) I have shot them both and wouldn't hesitate to get one if I had the money.

Thanks sjsmallfield. That is some good feedback as well. One of the guys I hunt with likes his Mark V's. I'm not sure if they do it anymore but when my friend got his rifles they shipped with a 3 shot grouping for the rifle.

buckbull
04-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Mark V's and Vanguard Range Certified all come with proof of the their 3 shot guarantee. I have two Sub-MOA vanguards (replaced with Range Certified) that have the targets. Would have been nice to know what commercial ammo they used however. I don't know if it was Weatherby ammo because both rifles are in non-weatherby calibers.

ruttinbuck
04-25-2012, 10:56 AM
you gotta try the 6.5-284 for a mountain rifle, savage's long range hunter would be a good choice, high sd's would work well on elk size game

6mm Remington
04-25-2012, 11:09 PM
I carried a Remington Model 700 MTN rifle in 25-06 for my mountain goat hunt this year, and on one trip took my sons Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS in 300 WSM along as we were on horses and to keep the gremlins away I took two rifles. Both packed great, and the Winchester Model 70 EW in 280 Remington, 30-06, or 300 WSM would fit your needs as would the same chamberings in a Model 70 Featherweight.

I would include the Remington Mountain Rifle but have just heard too many problems with quality control. I think Tikka builds a great rifle that is very accurate and is also very light. My pick would be either of the Winchester Models in those chamberings or a Tikka for the same cartridges. Only problem is I don't believe they chamber the 280 in the Tikka.

Musket Man
04-26-2012, 12:03 AM
I believe the 270 win is the best all around cal there is. That said I think I would take a serious look at the 270, 7mm, and 300 WSM's if I was looking for a new gun. I think make and model is alot more personal preference then anything. I am pretty sold on controlled round feed rifles like the model 70 win.

6mm Remington
04-27-2012, 05:47 PM
Nothing wrong with the new Ruger Hawkeye sporter either. I know it's a bit heavier because of the laminate stock, but in their stainless laminate this year they are chambering the .280 Remington which is an awesome cartridge! 140 - 160 grain Accubonds or Partitions, and there isn't much you cannot hunt with that rifle! I'm really looking at getting one for me this year if the $$$ factor looks okay!

The standard Hawkeye with either the walnut or the synthetic stock weighs less, but I just like the looks, feel, and stability of the laminate.

http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeSporter/models.html
(http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeSporter/models.html)
http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab134/davidwalrod/280Remingtonjpg.jpg

Elkoholic307
05-02-2012, 09:26 PM
My suggestion is a Tikka T3 in 338 Win.

ThreeTikkas
05-03-2012, 05:00 AM
+1. They are getting a little hard to find though. I'm amazed I picked one up for the price I did. I'm considering a VXIII 6X and a spiral fluting for the bolt to loose a little more weight. Light lighter lightest. I like them light.

Elkoholic307
05-03-2012, 08:01 PM
I heard they're not making them anymore? Not sure if that's true, but I have noticed some places have stopped carrying them.

I would like to pick one up if that's the case.

ThreeTikkas
05-03-2012, 08:23 PM
PM incoming.