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Drelk
01-26-2012, 03:29 PM
This is headline on AP news. Feds are considering using wolves to control elk populations in COLORADO. BACA national wildlife refuge. And of course the environmentalist are supporting. I really hope this never happens like it has here in Wyoming. It has destroyed some of our game populations. http://bit.ly/x5FxbA

Ikeepitcold
01-26-2012, 03:52 PM
That is ridiculous!

jenbickel
01-26-2012, 03:57 PM
That is ridiculous!

FO' SHO! That is craaaaaazy.

Kevin Root
01-26-2012, 04:00 PM
Seeing some of the comments in the article just makes me cringe like, "Right now, it's a question. You have a lot of elk, a lot of people would say you need a large predator."

My question is what is wrong with recreational hunters being used as a management tool or that, "large predator" mentioned instead of introducing a predator that will spread outside the boundary to control the elk herds?

I know the areas are closed to hunting but what if they opened it up to recreational hunting just short term to control the herds. I'm hoping they learned from Yellowstone and can pick a better plan this time around.

Drelk
01-26-2012, 04:08 PM
Kevin I agree. These large predators don't just stay were they are released. Eat there quota of elk and then disappear. These sobs seek and destroy and travel. Some of our moose herds just don't exist anymore. Irritates the hell out of me

IdahoHombre
01-26-2012, 05:36 PM
simply the dummest thing I've ever heard

CoBackcountry
01-26-2012, 06:37 PM
oh shi!!!!!!!!!!!

Colorado Cowboy
01-26-2012, 06:43 PM
There has been a lot of comments like this for the same situation that exists in Rocky Mt. NP.

Bitterroot Bulls
01-26-2012, 07:44 PM
Anti-hunters love this solution. They get to see furry, mangey wolves, and hunters get supplanted by another predator.

To citizens of Colorado:

Call your congressman. Email your congressman. Do the same for your governor. Organize a rally. Tell your friends to do the same.

Sadly, even if you succeed, I think it is only a matter of time before wolves are there anyway.

NDHunter
01-26-2012, 07:54 PM
WOW, the stupidity of other people never ceases to amaze me.

elk*hunter
01-26-2012, 10:02 PM
Definitely a lazy approach to controlling an elk herd...I agree with you guys get the congressmen and special interest groups involved, using humans as the management tool, and I would like to add it would be a great opportunity for kids and vets to get free tags to help with that areas "apparent" elk problem.

Jon Boy
01-26-2012, 11:34 PM
What can non residents do to stop this?

Colorado Cowboy
01-27-2012, 08:25 AM
Like I said in my previous post...not new to Colorado. Rocky Mountain National Park is simply overrun with elk. I am sure the park officials and naturalists are right that they are doing damage to the trees, shrubs and habitat. In RMNP's case the park officials said wolves would help solve the problem and there was a huge uproar and they backed off. They decided to hire "professional hunters" (whoever the hell they are!) to shoot some of the elk. RMEF, Colorado State Wildlife and lots of hunting groups protested. Several other proposals for real hunters to to buy tags and take the surplus were put forth, actually making the park $$$. But for not... as the "no hunting in NPs" mandate prevailed. I am sure similiar cases of NPs being overrun with game are out there. IMHO the only way to solve this is at the national level. As much as I hate Washington DC, they are the ones we have to get to. RMEF, NRA and your local representatives to Congress is the place to start. If I remember correctly, it is not law that we cannot hunt in NPs, it tradition and by directive from the Dept of Interior head (very political!!) Caveat....I am recalling this situation from a 70 year old's prospective and my memory might be a little fuzzy on some of the exact facts...but generally thats what happened!

Kevin Root
01-27-2012, 09:23 AM
Like I said in my previous post...not new to Colorado. Rocky Mountain National Park is simply overrun with elk. I am sure the park officials and naturalists are right that they are doing damage to the trees, shrubs and habitat. In RMNP's case the park officials said wolves would help solve the problem and there was a huge uproar and they backed off. They decided to hire "professional hunters" (whoever the hell they are!) to shoot some of the elk. RMEF, Colorado State Wildlife and lots of hunting groups protested. Several other proposals for real hunters to to buy tags and take the surplus were put forth, actually making the park $$$. But for not... as the "no hunting in NPs" mandate prevailed. I am sure similiar cases of NPs being overrun with game are out there. IMHO the only way to solve this is at the national level. As much as I hate Washington DC, they are the ones we have to get to. RMEF, NRA and your local representatives to Congress is the place to start. If I remember correctly, it is not law that we cannot hunt in NPs, it tradition and by directive from the Dept of Interior head (very political!!) Caveat....I am recalling this situation from a 70 year old's prospective and my memory might be a little fuzzy on some of the exact facts...but generally thats what happened!

I read the article in the Denver post back in 2007 on the what you mention about the Rocky Mountain National Parks decision to cull the elk herd in the park. I was encouraged that they proposed recreational hunters instead of professional hunters but like you mentioned it was turned down favoring the 1929 law of no hunting in the park.

I would gather with what happened in Yellowstone introducing wolves and them spreading outside the boundary of the park, professional paid hunters to cull the herd is what they will end up deciding also for Baca National Wildlife Refuge too.

I find it sad that the recreational hunter can't be used more as a wildlife management tool. Instead decisions are continually made that cost the state millions of dollars each year. Money the state continually mentions they don't have and we see cutbacks to state programs. That just does not seem beneficial to the state to me. Recreational hunters would not only be glad to hunt and help manage the big game but they would pay for the privilege to do so and create some positive revenue for the state.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5189374

wolftalonID
01-27-2012, 09:34 AM
Well I have a better solution that would cost the same more or less. Why doesnt Colorado cull the herd like a cattle rancher would. You pick out a group of animals, round them up, and truck them off?
Maybe sell them to a state that needs a boost back to a local herd that is being ate off by wolves already? Obviously we are recognizing our big game is missing right? Obviously we agree wolves have ate more than that which was intended(as if we could know how wolves acted right? God!! Who knew they ate meat right?)
Anyway sarcasm aside.......dart the elk, load em up....truck them to a needed place. Maybe other states may even buy the elk like an auction??????? Off-set cost of round up for Colorado......build up the missing in states that need the help???????

I know its common cense... Good thing Im not a politician I would be lynched with ideas like this.

wolftalonID
01-27-2012, 09:38 AM
Im sorry for not considering one thing though.......some how some way there would end up being some scientific reason the elk would be sick of coarse and may make other heards sick.....just an impossible accomplishment to do.....

But it was ok to bring in wolves....they didnt consider any canine problems... FYI this was just to cover any excuses that would be spoken on in a public hearing....haha because you know that would be a number one bonafied ignorant one they would use!

Full Draw
02-03-2012, 02:52 PM
http://www.bowsite.com/bowsite/features/articles/usfwswtf

I found this on bowsite.com , time to bombard these guys with your comments. Common sense just escapes these people, instead of issuing more tags and different seasons to cull the herd they will spend millions of our tax dollars to drop some wolves into hills and let the population go unchecked. Our game animals and our hunting heritage will soon be on the endangered list because of these idiots! Let them now how you feel.

trkytrack2
02-03-2012, 03:37 PM
Simple wolf solution.........shoot, shut-up, walk away. Problem solved.

brooks
02-04-2012, 07:43 AM
They are bound and determined to ruin big game hunting !! Why are wolves needed for anything and then protect them ?

ElkTrout
02-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Absolutely amazing! Why dosen't someone just ask Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana how well wolf reintroduction worked for them! This is yet again one of the dumbest things the Feds could do! To bad they just continue to try and push the same mistakes!

EdD270
02-07-2012, 04:53 PM
That's really stupid.
It will cost the governments, both Feds and State, millions of dollars to introduce wolves in large enough population to "control" the elk, and the wolves, being wild animals, won't stay where they're needed, resulting in more missions of taxpayer dollars to "manage" the wolves.
All that expense would be saved, and income to State and Feds would actually increase, bu letting hunters buy tags and reduce the population, not to mention the boost to the local economies from hunters staying in motels, eating in restaurants, buying gas, etc. This is another "shovel ready" job creator that's going by the way in favor of government control. Ahhh, don't get me started.

Scoutman
02-22-2012, 05:14 PM
Ranchers I know in Colorado already control the off colored coyotes,they say there are no wolves in Co!:rolleyes:

Colorado Cowboy
02-22-2012, 06:52 PM
I sent a comment on the proposed plans for Baca being adamently opposed to wolves. I received an answer back stating that wolves are not being considered in any of the alternative elk management plans. I still don't really believe them and will be watching this in the future.

tradarch61
02-22-2012, 08:31 PM
Since when has any government agency made a sound decision. I fear this may be the best way yet for the anti's to stop hunting in the future.

Elkoholic307
02-24-2012, 07:48 PM
The pro-wolf idiots are praising the lack of elk in Yellowstone because there are more willows on the creek banks now.

These Colorado people are drinking the same kool-aid.

ChadH
02-25-2012, 10:47 PM
The pro-wolf idiots are praising the lack of elk in Yellowstone because there are more willows on the creek banks now.

These Colorado people are drinking the same kool-aid.

Come on now... everyone knows we need more Willow trees! I have a whole river bottom field full of them on the farm in Missouri... I can hardly keep them off of it. I wonder if Colorado has any stimulus money to spare??? I could sell them a few. They can keep the wolves though, I have these within 10 miles back home in Missouri:

http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/hunter-shoots-unusually-large-coyote-northwest-missouri

We need to get rid of them too.

I tried to PM you a thanks TJ, your box is full.