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beav906
03-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Have a lightweight mountain rifle in the works. Looking at running about a 24" barrel with a 700 action. Be used for mulies, antelope and possibly coyotes from time to time. Want a caliber capable of long range shots out to 800 yards or so. Looking at the 25-06, 6.5 rem mag, 6.5x284 or possibly something bigger with a as I want this lightweight. What's everyone's thoughts and opinions on a caliber

kcaves
03-07-2012, 10:14 PM
Never had very good luck with a 25-06 with a 24" barrel, usually needed at least 26"


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hvfd21walker
03-07-2012, 10:15 PM
6.5X284 would be my choice. Thats my next gun. It is very flat shooting with a good choice of bullets. Theres always the 257 weatherby mag. to.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-07-2012, 10:33 PM
6.5x284 or 7RM for a long range rig.

You need high BCs.

Ikeepitcold
03-07-2012, 10:33 PM
You can get a 7mm wsm from savage with the plastic stock that is very light weight and will kick like a mule. I just got my daughter a 7mm-08 youth model and am thinking about packing it on my next hunt. Very short but very packable. If I can get the eye relief rite I'm going to give it a try.

bigshot
03-07-2012, 11:14 PM
For a light weight rig, u would want to stay with a short action rifle. The 6.5x284 will be that bill and an excellent choice. Especially since you want to reach out and touch up to 800 yards. The 6.5x284 is winning a lot of the 1000 yard matches right now. It would be my choice with a 140 grain Berger VLD.

Whisky
03-07-2012, 11:26 PM
6.5x284 is a good round, but it eats barrels real quick. You're looking at approx 1000 round barrel life. Depending on the amount of shooting you do, or don't do, that may not be a concern.

Personally, I'd opt for the 260 Rem or 6.5 Creed. MUCH better barrel life, ever increasing choices of bullets and brass, and of course excellent LR performance. The 140 Hunting VLD would be the bullet to shoot.

Jon Boy
03-07-2012, 11:54 PM
I really dont think a light weight rifle and long range shooting go hand and hand too much. We might have different ideas on what "light" means though :)

buckbull
03-08-2012, 08:31 AM
There are certainly alot of options. I've always liked the .264 winchester magnum. Its reputation as a barrel burner hindered its popularity but with today's advances in barrel material (chrome moly, stainless) you should get quite a few more shots thru the barrel. Also, you have to throw the .270 or the .270wsm into the mix. Any round that leaves the barral at over 3000ft/second and has a MBPR of 300 yards certainly qualifies as a long range rig.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-08-2012, 08:59 AM
The problem with .25 cal. and .277 cal is their projectiles don't have the kind of monster Ballistic Coefficients that the 6.5 and 7 do. If 800 yards is on the table, a G1 BC of around .6 is going to have substantially less wind drift than one in the mid .4s.

The fast .25s and .277s are awesome for flat shooting out to MPBR, but I think those long sleek 6.5s and 7s get the nod past there.

BTW, I love the idea of the 6.5 Creed for an 800 yard gun.

beav906
03-09-2012, 01:34 AM
Thanks for the info. I was really leaning towards the 6.5x284 but thought id get some opinions and knowledge from you guys in the know.

mcseal2
03-09-2012, 07:22 AM
6.5x284 or 280 ackley would get my vote

Montana
03-09-2012, 07:44 AM
I shoot a 25 wssm which is supposed to shoot just a bit faster than a 25-06. I use a Barnes triple shock bullet. LOVE it... and confidence is everything, BUT, it is like a whiffle ball and I have to know my max range. It screams out to 300 yards and then drops worse than a 30-06 180 grn bullet at further distances. As much as I love that caliber I wouldn't even consider it 500 yards gun.

Edelweiss
03-14-2012, 07:54 PM
800 yards and light weight do not go hand in hand. You could use a 308 in a heavier rifle and have more gun than a 6.5x284 shooting VLDS in a lightweight sheep type rifle.

You are better off with a 10-18 pound long range rifle if that's what you want. Any caliber with high BC bullets in 6.5, 7mm, .308, or .338 is best. I wish their were more VLD type bullets for 8mm, as the 8mm Rem and 8x68s Schuler are perfect calibers for this type of hunting.

If you want to shoot long range you need a long range rifle, because your light weight sheep rifle will not have the same consistancy that a LR gun will.

I am with Bitterroot, a 6.5 Creedmoor with a very high quality barrel, and a good receiver like a McMillan, Nesika, Stiller or Surgeon would be awesome. A retooled Tikka T3, Howa 1500 or Rem 700 would be good too. Set it up for a rifle weight of 13 pounds with a top quality scope and work real hard to shoot that barrel out practicing at 800 yards. Won't kick either!

Edelweiss
03-14-2012, 07:56 PM
For a light weight rig, u would want to stay with a short action rifle. The 6.5x284 will be that bill and an excellent choice. Especially since you want to reach out and touch up to 800 yards. The 6.5x284 is winning a lot of the 1000 yard matches right now. It would be my choice with a 140 grain Berger VLD.

The OAL for a 6.5x284 makes it a long action cartridge. You can't seat the VLDs in a 6.5x284 in deep enough to make it fit a short action 700.

Jon Boy
03-14-2012, 08:36 PM
BTW, I love the idea of the 6.5 Creed for an 800 yard gun.

http://youtu.be/d2COAcHZRlI

Pretty awesome little caliber. I want one in the savage light weight.

HuskyMusky
03-14-2012, 08:48 PM
This is the never ending debate in my own head!

Someone beat me to it but the 6.5-284Norma is a long action cartridge essentially.

Remington mtn syn stainless is offered in 280rem this year!

IMO you don't need a 24" barrel for the .270win, 280rem, 30.06, the 25-06 I would get in 24" although it has poor BC's so it's a loose-loose IMO for a mtn. rifle/sheep rifle.


I currently am at 2 sheep rifles, a lightweight/but not too lightweight .300wsm, for sheep in grizzly country etc... and a super light 7mm-08 type rifle, although I haven't decided on the perfect version of this, also in the running are the 270wsm, 270win/280rem(maybe AI version).

so many options/so complicated, .308win is also an option.

BC's tend to goto the 6.5mm and 7mm.

Also how light do you want to go? how much do you want to spend??

That remington mtn. stainless/synthetic in 270win or 280rem at 6.5lbs would be very nice in a stock rifle!

Weatherby ultra-lightweight in .270win/280rem/30-06 at 5.75lbs is a nice option too, the 6.75lbs version in 7mm Rem.Mag wouldn't be a bad option either.

browning a-bolt titanium in 270wsm is also nice at 5.75lbs.

sako a7/tikka/sako finnlight also nice options.

Edelweiss
03-14-2012, 11:31 PM
http://youtu.be/d2COAcHZRlI

Pretty awesome little caliber. I want one in the savage light weight.

They used a Magnum Research barrel on this one. Wayne being one of the biggest names in gunwriters, I am sure John would have chambered it in 500 NE if he would have wanted it that way.

I too am enamored with the 6.5x47 and 6.5 Creedmoor, kind of hard to be such a light recoiling and very accurate package.

Shaun
03-15-2012, 06:15 AM
Personally for a lr rig I would look toward a 7mm wsm a little less kick than a standard 7mm and if you use a Berger vld it will have super high bc's witch is a must for shooting that distance I would also look at longrangehunting.com and see what those boys are shooting over there just my .02$

Tenmilestyle
03-15-2012, 09:51 AM
280 Rem. In a 700 mountain rifle is a match made in heaven!

BKC
03-15-2012, 10:12 AM
Ultra light arms in .284 It is not a 800 yard gun ( maybe at the range but not across a canyon) but at 500 yards it is the perfect mountain rifle. Shooting 150 gr barnes ttsx and topped w/ leupold vx3 4.5 x 14 lr, it is like carrying a kids gun!

ChadH
03-15-2012, 05:00 PM
BTW, I love the idea of the 6.5 Creed for an 800 yard gun.

I agree. I have a Savage short action that "needs" a new barrel and stock :D I was going to buy a Benchmark Barrel and McMillan Stock for it and turn it into a 6.5 Creedmore. After adding up the cost of that, I may just go with a stock Savage LRH in 6.5 Creed ($775) and order a stock later....

Edelweiss
03-15-2012, 10:54 PM
Good call, chances are your new Savage will shoot anyway. And you could do a another stock for $250-750 and be set.

mcseal2
03-16-2012, 05:25 PM
This is an interesting topic for me, I have been considering building a lighweight rifle for mountain muley and elk hunting for several years. I haven't done anything because I haven't decided exactly what I want. If I want to do it with just one gun I'd go with a 7WSM or 300WSM in a Browning A-bolt Mountain TI with a Vias brake added. If I want to do 2 guns I'd go with the 300WSM for elk, and build a custom 6.5x284 or 260 rem. I carry my rifle in an eberlestock scabbard often also, so a shorter overall length keeps the stock from sticking way over my head. Problem with that is that every cartridge I like benefits greatly from a longer barrel.

While I am debating all this, I keep hunting with the custom gun I had built when a friend went through gunsmith school. It's seen THOUSANDS of rounds starting as a factory 7 mag. When my friend needed guns to work on he re-barelled it to a 300 win for the price of parts. When I shot that barrel out and developed a substantial flinch doing it, it got it's 3rd barrel in 264 win mag. The 264 is my favorite, and what it will stay. I like the light recoil, great penetration, and good ballistics. It weighs 10.5lbs with it's 4.5x14 Leupold CDS scope, ammo, and sling but it's easy to shoot well and just seems to be lucky. It's taken a 198" whitetail and a 200" muley, plus lots of other game, coyotes, prairie dogs, etc for me over the years and I just keep using it. I wanted to shoot 140gr Bergers in this rifle but it just hasn't ever shot them well. It does shoot 140gr accubonds very well and they have awesome terminal performance with decent ballistics. I shoot 600 practicing alot, but I'm not quite consistent enough to feel comfortable shooting game that far. I shoot alot kneeling from my Stoney Point Rapid Pivot bipod and spend alot of my practice time shooting 200-350yds that way. It gets me high enough to clear most grass or sage, and is real quick to get into. I try real hard to get prone for longer shots.

Edelweiss
03-17-2012, 02:36 AM
264 is kind of perfect.

Personally for me, I would build a Surgeon actioned, 26-28 inch barreled 6.5, 7mm or 338 rifle (338 with a 3 port dispersion type break like Shawn Carlock uses on his 338 Edge).

I like the idea of a carbon fiber wrapped barrel, but I know that the odds are against them working as well. If carbon fiber was so great all the Benchrest and F-Class shooters would be doing it. None are. Saying that I'd use a 7 or 8 contour barrel, and I'd flute it. Though I would spray the Cerakote on the metal until I was damn sure the barrel would shoot, and if I had to chamber 5 barrels to make it work I would.

I'd use a McMillan A-5 or A Hole stock, or a Manners stock, like I did on my rifle.

Spurh mount

And I'd use a 2 stage trigger

And I would find a 34mm, 35mm, or 40mm rifle scope with a 56 or greater objective IOR, Ziess, Schmidt Bender with a 5-25 (or close to that power window).

Then I would spend a lot of time wearing out the barrel.

mthuntress
03-17-2012, 03:11 AM
If I could only pick one Cal. it would be the .270 Win.

Edelweiss
03-18-2012, 06:15 AM
I would never again own a 270, as for me it is too much of a comprimise.

I don't know why we don't have a commercial 6.5-06 cartridge in America. The Germans have the excellent 6.5x65 (30-06 case) and a beltless magnum in the 6.5x58 Schuler, of course they also have the very crappy 6.5x65 Rimmed, and it has horrible brass. As well as a couple mild mannered 6.5x57, 6.5x57 Rimmed, and of course all the old 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 MS, and Groenig came up with the 6.5x47 cartridge for Lapua.

I am thinking about wildcatting the 375 Ruger into a 6.5.

I am building a 10.3x416 Ruger using the Swiss 10.3 VLD bullets machined from copper. I want to try them on bears when I get back home to Alaska. Probably just do it on a Howa 1500, we ordered the barrel from Lothar Walther.

mcseal2
03-19-2012, 03:22 PM
If I could only pick one Cal. it would be the .270 Win.

As much as I like my 264WM, I'm honestly not out-performing the 270 with my rifle and the load it likes. They both shoot 140gr accubonds with very similar ballistic coeffecients at around 3000fps. There isn't much not to like about the 270 unless you get away from standard hunting bullets into VLD type projectiles. I've done alot of research since my first post and have ruled out the 6.5x284 and 260 Rem for my use and the action I have decided to build on. I'm debating between a 280 ackley with a 24" barrel, and a plain old 270 win with a 23" barrel.

ChadH
03-19-2012, 05:30 PM
A .270 is a great all around cartridge. It may not be THE best at any one thing, but does a lot of things very adequately. It is not CURRENTLY my favorite round, but that seems to change from time to time :) Right now I am loving my 7mm WSM. I have always liked .264 win, and have a few others I would love to try (6.5 x .284 is one of them along with 6.5 Creedmore)

If you are thinking about a .270 here is a good article from LongRangeHunting.com http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/270-win-long-range-shooting-1.php

Of course, if you are using a barrel as long as he is (28" I think) you are going to change a lot over ballistics in "factory Standard" barrels of 20-24", but worth a thought.

Chad

HuskyMusky
03-19-2012, 05:53 PM
wildcat a .370sako(9.3x66 I believe) into a 6.5mm??


I would never again own a 270, as for me it is too much of a comprimise.

I don't know why we don't have a commercial 6.5-06 cartridge in America. The Germans have the excellent 6.5x65 (30-06 case) and a beltless magnum in the 6.5x58 Schuler, of course they also have the very crappy 6.5x65 Rimmed, and it has horrible brass. As well as a couple mild mannered 6.5x57, 6.5x57 Rimmed, and of course all the old 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 MS, and Groenig came up with the 6.5x47 cartridge for Lapua.

I am thinking about wildcatting the 375 Ruger into a 6.5.

I am building a 10.3x416 Ruger using the Swiss 10.3 VLD bullets machined from copper. I want to try them on bears when I get back home to Alaska. Probably just do it on a Howa 1500, we ordered the barrel from Lothar Walther.

HuskyMusky
03-19-2012, 05:56 PM
6.5-06 would be the same as the 6.5-284 wouldn't it??


I'd much rather see a .24-06 (6mm-06) kinda like a better designed .240wby.

Edelweiss
03-20-2012, 05:41 AM
Husky a 6.5x370 Sako would only be a 6.5x30-06 extra long.

HuskyMusky
03-20-2012, 09:40 AM
Husky a 6.5x370 Sako would only be a 6.5x30-06 extra long.

it would actually be like a full length .284 win, it has a 30-06 bolt face, but it's a fatter case than the .30-06.

kinda how the RUM or WSM cases are... fatter case than bolt face...

a rebated rim style case, that's what I meant to say!

I'm pretty sure it has just shy of 7mm rem mag case capacity with a 30-06 bolt face... necked down to 6.5mm or 284 could make things interesting!

would be great for guys modifying or re-barreling their 30-06 rifles...vs. having to goto a magnum bolt face...

EdD270
03-20-2012, 05:19 PM
Although a truly light weight rifle needs to have a short action, I think a very light weight rifle is not conducive to accurately placed long range shots. In a short action, I'd go with the 7mm/08. But a short action won't get you where you want to be for a long range round, either.
I've shot elk, deer and antelope, as well as coyotes and other critters, with my .270 Win. I've even shot metallic silhouette competition with it. Never had any problems. I recommend the .270 Win., It's not glamorous or new, but it'll do whatever you ask of it if you're up to the task. I load Barnes TSX or TTSX in both 130 and 150 gr., also load some 110 gr. for coyotes. Works great.

mcseal2
03-20-2012, 05:48 PM
I got my barrel for my new mountain rifle ordered today. I am using my Dad's old winchester 670 for the build. It was a cheaper plainer winchester 70 with a blind magazine. Although it was a 243 it is a long action so I'm going to build a 270 win. The original barrel had the throat shot out so it had been sitting unused in the safe for a few years. My Dad, girlfriend, and I all took our first deer with it and it has sentimental value. It will be good to get it rebuilt and used again and hopefull passed down again someday. Anyway here is what I went with and the weights according to my postage scale and Pac-Nor's barrel wt calculator.

Complete action with all screws & magazine parts 41.3oz
Pac Nor 24" #3 barrel with 8 flutes in .277 cal 44.3oz
Mcmillian Hunters Edge stock 24oz
Leupold 4.5-14x40 13.8oz
Talley mounts 3oz (guesstimated)
Sling 3.5oz
Ammo 4oz

Total weight ready to hunt = 133.9oz or 8.36lbs. It's not an ultralight, but it's lighter than anything else I have and should be heavy enough to be easy to shoot well. Recoil should be mild and the barrel should be stiff enough for good accuracy. I was really having trouble choosing between 270 win and 280 ackley, but when Dad said he'd always wanted a 270 it made up my mind for me. I know from my 264 and the 270WSM I had what a 140gr accubond at around 3000fps is capable of.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-20-2012, 05:49 PM
it would actually be like a full length .284 win, it has a 30-06 bolt face, but it's a fatter case than the .30-06.

kinda how the RUM or WSM cases are... fatter case than bolt face...

a rebated rim style case, that's what I meant to say!

I'm pretty sure it has just shy of 7mm rem mag case capacity with a 30-06 bolt face... necked down to 6.5mm or 284 could make things interesting!

would be great for guys modifying or re-barreling their 30-06 rifles...vs. having to goto a magnum bolt face...

The .284 Win. has a similar powder capacity to the 30-06, so 6.5-06 and 6.5-284 would be pretty much performance duplicates. The .284 has a 66 grain water capacity, similar to the 30-06's 69 grains. The 7 RM is substantially bigger at 84 grains.

The .284 was designed to duplicate the 280 Remington in the model 88 auto, not the 7 mag.

The .284 is still a fine cartridge, and you are right, husky, with its short, fat, rebated case was quite a bit ahead of its time.

Edelweiss
03-25-2012, 06:28 PM
The 9.3x70 is not rebated. It's just a extra-long 30-06 case.

cali_hornhunter
03-25-2012, 07:05 PM
Hey mcseal post a pic of your barrel whenever your get it wanna see what it looks like cuase im considering getting a pac nor barrel also thanks

AG166
06-04-2012, 03:41 PM
Can't go wrong with a 243. That little 6mm bullet going about 3400fps or greater does a number on small game, including deer and antelope. The 243 is extremely accurate and and is a soft shooting rifle. Out of all the centerfire rifles I own, my old Ruger M77 in 243 caliber is the most accurate rifle I have. It will shoot 1/2" MOA at a 100 yards with an old Leupold 3x9 scope. It would probably shoot better with a new scope and a Timney trigger, but for now, it does the job just fine.

xtreme
06-04-2012, 05:40 PM
243wssm is short action and I shoot one most of the time, however for 800 yds I would go with the 7mm and over 6 BC. My Browing is under a minute at 600 yds using a 168 gr at 3017fps. Big bc sure helps with the wind.

6mm Remington
06-04-2012, 07:21 PM
6mm Remington or 6mm-06
6.5-06
.280 Remington or 280 AI

mcseal2
07-05-2012, 10:21 PM
Hey mcseal post a pic of your barrel whenever your get it wanna see what it looks like cuase im considering getting a pac nor barrel also thanks

Still waiting on the barrel. It should have shipped last week but they are running behind. Since this project keeps getting delayed I just bought a Ruger American on the 4th to play with. I was real impressed with the handling and the accuracy reviews I've seen so far are very good. It won't hurt to have another 270 as a back-up gun when I get the custom one built anyway. I'll post a review after I get it set-up, broke in, and get to doing some range work. The 100+ degree heat will delay serious range work a little though.

6mm Remington
07-06-2012, 12:07 AM
mcseal2 will you be starting load work with 130 or 140 gr. bullets? Those Accubonds sure seem to be a great bullet and my testing so far has shown that to be true as did the bullet out of my boy's elk last fall. It performed perfectly. I load for a friend with a 270 and 130 gr. Partitions. The Accubonds weren't made yet when I worked up a load for him.

I use H4831SC and did my load work with Federal 215 match magnum primers. It sure works well and shoots great for him. I'm excited to see how your project comes along. The least you could do is put some pictures up here so we can drool on the screen, I mean seriously, we need to see something!
David

Colorado Cowboy
07-06-2012, 07:44 AM
This is the first time I have actually sat down and read all the post on this thread...interesting. Let me start by asking...What is a "Mountain Rifle". I know I am going to get a lot of different answers. Therein lies the problem, everyone has a different idea, hence different solutions.

What should it weigh? My factory Wby MkV .257 weighs a bit over 9 lbs. (with a Leupold VX III 3.5x10 50 mm). My sons Rem 600 in .243 with a custom McMillan stock ( with a Leupold VX III 4x14 40mm) weight right at 7. There is a big difference in performance, but no comparison in weight. My Ruger 25-06 is a few ozs heavier.

What kind of performance is required? Thats like asking what is the best PU truck...Ford or Chevy. Everybody had their own ideas. How far do you think you need to (or CAN!) shoot? I think our own individual limitations will dictate that more than most anyone will admit.

Bottom line is that (at least for me) that my 25-06 Ruger M77 or the Wby .257 will suffice quite nicely.

mcseal2
07-06-2012, 08:03 AM
mcseal2 will you be starting load work with 130 or 140 gr. bullets? Those Accubonds sure seem to be a great bullet and my testing so far has shown that to be true as did the bullet out of my boy's elk last fall. It performed perfectly. I load for a friend with a 270 and 130 gr. Partitions. The Accubonds weren't made yet when I worked up a load for him.

I use H4831SC and did my load work with Federal 215 match magnum primers. It sure works well and shoots great for him. I'm excited to see how your project comes along. The least you could do is put some pictures up here so we can drool on the screen, I mean seriously, we need to see something!
David

I don't have anything to take pictures of yet. My gunsmith is supposed to bring the Ruger home with him tonight though. I left it with him to get the scope mounted. I'm going to start out with 140gr accubonds and my line-up of Hodgdon Extreme powder. I already have a CDS turret made for a .277 140gr accubond at 3000fps so I'm going to see if I can get there with good accuracy. If not I'll build a new turret, I'm more concerned with accuracy than trying to make it fit. I'm not sure if I will get 3000fps from the 22" barrel anyway. The custom 270 is in pieces, I have the action and all accompanying parts in a gallon ziplock from when we removed the old barrel and am waiting for everything else. Once the barrel arrives and is installed I'll send it off for a stock. Then it will be picture worthy. I'll get pictures of the barrel when it arrives also.

xtreme
07-07-2012, 10:12 AM
My choice is the Rem 7mm, shooting 168 Bergers @ 3017 fps. The 7mm works for anything in north america and is a long range round delux. About the only thing it give up is 30% less recoil.
On game larger than mule deer, black bear, and elk I would change bullets for more penetration and less fragmentration for large bear. The Bergers do as advertised, having recovered and weghted a berger bullet from a large black bear. The big bc makes shooting in the wind less troubling. I use a Browning SS Stalker with brake and boss detachable clip with a VX7 4.5-18x56 low mounted scope. Wt is 10 lbs with sling and no ammo. Gun shoot 600 yds under a minute in a 15mph cross wind.

mcseal2
07-29-2012, 03:47 PM
The Ruger American is shooting extremely well with 140gr accubonds and 58gr of H4831SC. Groups so far are averaging .640" at 100yds. I've been using 3 shot groups, the light barrel heats quickly at 100 degrees outside temp. Haven't got it on the chronograph yet. Still haven't seen my barrel from Pac-Nor yet either, I need to call them again.

boulderbeardog
08-01-2012, 06:49 PM
I would like to respond the carbon fiber wrapped barrel comment. I have christesen arms in 300 rum that shoots great and only weighs 7 lbs 9oz with scope and ammunition. It has become my go to gun. It is absolutely been amazing to shoot on hot days and not have any problems with barrel heating like other high speed magnums I have owned. Also there are guns showing up in long range shooting comp. with carbon wraps, not for weight as much as for barrel cooling aspect. If you don't think carbon wrapped barrel doesn't shoot look at the vortex shoot I believe was held in Utah. The long range pursuit show had it on last year. They sent a team, but the top shooting teams came from christesen arms. I think the reason you haven't seen more carbon wrapped barrels is fact that only christesen arms was producing them. But now there are more compainies out there you will see more of them. I have even seen pics of ruger m77 with carbon barrel. I don't think its been put in production but I did see a show with the Ruger president using on hunt in Spain I think. It was chamber in 6.5 creedmoor if my memory is correct.

gspman
12-08-2013, 08:07 PM
.280 140 gn accubonds
nuff said

tomcat
12-09-2013, 06:52 PM
I've been shooting a 270 WSM in a Sako Finnlight. Great shooter. Light recoil and plenty of ammo choices. Very flat trajectory with enough downrange power to hunt most North American game.

Musket Man
12-10-2013, 01:03 AM
Lots of good info and ideas here. This debate will go on forever and no one will be right or wrong. True some will out preform others but much of it comes down to personal preference in the end. I shoot a .270 Winchester in a model 70 Winchester made in the mid 1950's with a Leupold VX2 3-9x40 scope. I modified a post 64 ramline synthetic stock for it to lighten it up a bit. Its very accurate and always gets the job done so what more could I want. True its not a long range setup but I dont care to shoot game over 400 yards either. This fall I went to Wy antelope hunting with a model 1894 Winchester 30-30 made in 1896 and killed an antelope at 155 yards with 1 shot with peep sights. Whatever caliber and gun you choose if you practice with it and are confident in it you can get the job done!

skeeterdriftwood
01-13-2014, 11:46 PM
Thats the 64000 dollar question. You know, I have killed a mule deer doe with the 75gr. speer flat point in a 25-35. Now that's a bit light for a big buck in full rut, but it can be done. Light bullets or heavey, fast or slow, shot placement and the animals demeanor are probably the most determaning factors. The favored caliber for me has always been the 25, A hundred grain bullet from the 25-06 at-3100 fps will stop in a deer's chest and do a lot of damage, the 117 under the same conditions would probably go clear through. I like the 270 with a 150gr. bullet for elk and have taken two cows and a bull with that combination. Not having worked seriosly with the 6.5's (I have killed one buck with a .264 Win mag) I can't say for sure, but it sounds like a good accurate choise. I would stick with the milder cartridges like the Creedmoore to avoid spending the rest of my time scrubbing the barrel. In a light rifle you can get great performance from the .270 or the 25-06 and not pay the recoil toll. For an all arround one gun caliber in the mountains the .270 is not a bad round,wide range of bullet weights and plenty of horse power. The optics you choose will give you the edge at long range, and you usually get what you pay for.

Musket Man
01-14-2014, 12:40 AM
25-35 would be great for antelope at moderate ranges! Almost bought one once but came home with the model 94 SRC 30-30 next to it instead. Looking back I should have bought both!

Grizz
01-14-2014, 10:22 AM
Just had a thought... why not just stalk in closer? My wife could have easily killed the bull from our story this fall from 400 yards but we stalked in to 200, got our hearts pounding, and made the hunt even sweeter. As a bowhunter who also hunts with a rifle I just don't get the whole "longrange hunting" craze. I know there are times when getting in closer than 500 yards is very difficult but isn't that the point. Pretty soon we'll be figuring out how to zap bull elk from an orbiting satellite with a "frickin' lazer beam." I have no problem sniping prairie dogs or other vermin from "long range" but c'mon guys and gals, I thought we were hunting? Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

mcseal2
01-14-2014, 10:22 AM
My new mountain rifle did great on it's first hunt. I got lucky and it likes the same 58gr H4831SC 140grAB load my American likes. It gets 2950fps with it's 24" barrel. I did lots of practice shooting, shot some yotes with it, and was ready for the mountains. Took a great 6x6 bull that net scored 334" and grossed 338".

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