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zachbow
03-08-2011, 02:27 PM
So there is a thread on Bowsite and a lot of talk on Facebook about Jim Burnworth of the show western extreme shooting a desert ram at 73 yards with a 93 yard follow up shot. A lot of folks are pretty upset that we are questioning these shots. What do you Real western hunters think. I think his long shots and high fenced hunts make for a bad show? I value the Eastmans readers opinions, so what do you think of taking these type of shots and the canned hunts that he shows on his show as well?

Ryan
03-08-2011, 02:43 PM
Zachbow,
Without getting into the specifics of any one particular hunter, TV show, or event, I'll address my own personal thoughts on long-distance shots. When you get over "reasonable distances" - say 60 yards with a bow or 400 yards with a rifle (with variances in those numbers depending on situation), I feel that there are simply too many variables that come into play that cannot be controlled as they can be at the range. What's the wind doing halfway between here and there? What's the animal going to do in that extra 1/2 second of projectile travel time? What's that .00001 degree of angle error going to do at that distance when combined with those other factors? How tired are you from hiking? How jittery are you from the heat of the moment? I think some of this starts boiling down to ego and overconfidence rather than respecting the animal enough to get closer and make sure of a better shot. Just because I can hit a target at extreme distances doesn't mean I have any business taking those same shots at live animals. Leave long-distance shooting at the range.

miller1
03-08-2011, 02:55 PM
I dont think a 73 yard shot is somthing to be stoned for, it is a poke for alot of people but a well practiced shooter under the right situation is ok by me, i can hit the kill everytime at 73 yards in my backyard (which is alot different than hunting) so im sure the guys that hunt out west and practice for this type of shot all the time shouldnt have a problem, the individual has to know his limits. as for the 93 yard shot, if the animal is already hit you have to go to the limit to harvest that animal. look at some of Fred Bears shots.

300WBYMAG
03-08-2011, 03:10 PM
It amazes me some of the comments that those guys put and to know that they are actually "buying in" to his whole deal is just sickening. You hit the nail on the head zachbow, canned hunts, high fences, you name it...Burnworth will do it. The worst part is, is that guys give him recognition for it.

On the flip side, the best part is how he validates everything with the number of animal's he has taken(usually in that year)...like when he said in his FB rebuttal, "I took 61 big game animals with only my bow this last year..." At what point does the guy reading that not wake up and smell the coffee? Also, if the shot was a "73 yard X" (which we all know is crap), why was there a need for the follow up shot at 93 yards, which was another "perfect" arrow when he was "Hard Quartering" away.

The guy is a pure joke, an insult to be known as the "western hunter. Makes us guys who actually work for it, year in and year out and come home empty handed most of the time, just sick. At least it does for me...

Doe Nob
03-08-2011, 04:59 PM
I think its up to each archer to decide what they can reasonably hit. Some of the new fast compound bows can shoot easily and accurately out to loooong distances that should not have been considered 10 years ago.
If it was a robot drawing one of the state of the art bows, you ought to just be able to move the pins up and shoot consistently out to 100 yards. To the extent that the archer practices enough with the right form, they can be consistent at long ranges - 70 even 80 yards. This is not the weekend shooter though, this is the die hard guy that practices daily and knows every piece of equipment that comes into contact with his bow.

Its similar to the long range rifle debate. Anyone who's not an expert shouldn't be shooting at that kind of range.

Adam
03-08-2011, 05:11 PM
I guess I can see both sides of the argument, but at the end of the day, to each his own. However, I can say that for me, personally, you wouldn't catch me ever taking a shot that far on an animal with my bow. I'd venture to say that I's seriously hesitate on a 60 yard shot, unless I knew everything was just right and was 100% confident before I released.

Sure I have the pins and setup to do it, and I can consistently hit my Block at those "long" ranges, but putting a live and very unpredictable animal out there and taking a shot, that's just not my cup of tea.

dito
03-08-2011, 05:55 PM
I never really cared for his show. But I quit watching it after he shot a mule deer with a 50 BMG. WHY?????

elktracker
03-08-2011, 06:52 PM
I agree with Ryan, leave long distance shooting at the range. Like most of you have said, I can hit the target all day at 70 yards, but an animal is not a target. I've heard stories of deer and elk jumping the string at 30 yards, so no matter how fast your bow is an arrow just takes too long to get to 70+ yards. Ethical hunters should have enough respect for the animal not to take these marginal shots. Better to come home without releasing an arrow than to not recover a wounded an animal because you took a long shot.

Jerry
03-08-2011, 07:01 PM
For me Ryan said it all! Taking shots at extreme distances is out of the question!!! I'm quite sure that there are people out there that can consistently shoot these distances but it encourages others that lack the skill of a military sniper to take shots that they shouldn't.

ceby7
03-08-2011, 08:29 PM
To call himself a hunter is an injustice to everyone. He's no more of a hunter than a poacher is. He's never killed a "wild" animal in his life and the term "fair chase" is nonexistant in his language. 300WBYMAG hit it on the head when when he said the worst part is that he gets recognition for it. What kind of a hunter actually watches that s#*t! I was raised to respect the animals I hunt and have the opportunity to harvest. Along with that comes a sense of pride when you finally lay hands on a buck or bull that you've worked your butt off for, regardless of how big it is. Burnworth doesn't have an ounce of respect for a single animal he's ever or will ever kill. Pride? Grocery shopping doesn't exude pride. Like the time he was trying to kill a mule deer with a .50 cal, but only if it was at least a 1000 yard shot. What the hell does that prove?

Elkoholic307
03-08-2011, 08:46 PM
I haven't watched Burnworth's show in long time because he's kind of a cornball. But, I'm all for long range if you know what you're doing. When I'm meat hunting, it's boring if it's not long range.

miller1
03-08-2011, 09:04 PM
I dont know who this Burnworth guy is, i dont get all the hunting channels but he sure doesnt seem to be liked well, if his hunts are like described i can understand why nobody like to watch him.

Firearrow
03-08-2011, 10:19 PM
This is an umfortunate realism of toadys so called Celeb Hunters, not to be confused with any of the Eastmen crew (kiss, kiss, smooch. smooch). You take a guy who looks like he is a IBO shooter from back east (no offense to the east coast guys) with a target style release, 310+ fps bow, that thinks that just becasue he can hit the spot at 80 yards with a fieldpoint under ideal conditions, should take a shot at an animal with his Rage Broadhead, a desert sheep no less, and think that it is ok. Don't get me wrong, I use Rage BH for deer, and hogs. The difference is I have enough respect for the animal, as well as the sport of bow hunting to know what my limits are, and what an ethical shot is. Just becasue you can shoot that far, doesn't mean you should take that shot at an animal.

I practice at further distances, 60-70-80 yards, not to take the shot at that distance, but to make me a better shot at 40-50 yards. Broadhead tune your bow at further distances to make your rig shoot better, but respect the animal/your self, and get closer and make that 40 yard shot.

Hopefully some of this guys sponsers will see these posts, and have a come to god with him, so that he doesn't give bow hunting a bad name. JMO.

elkmtngear
03-09-2011, 08:12 AM
I think it would be much better if he just left the distances out of it....I'm sure there are young hunters that look up to guys like Jim, and a couple of hail-Mary shots are nothing to brag about. Celebrate the kill, not the distance, it was a really nice Trophy Ram....just leave it at that.

Best of Luck,
Jeff

NDHunter
03-09-2011, 08:21 AM
I absolutely can't stand the guy. I never watch his show but for some reason watched his last episode and he said that last year he hunted something like 300 days and shot 90 animals. He goes on and on and on about how "hunting is in his blood" but does nothing but KILL. If you shoot 90 animals a year, you're not a hunter, you are a killer. I eat everything that i shoot. I'd like to ask him what type of hunter would go out and just kill and kill and kill and if he is such a glorious hunter, how he manages to eat 90 animals in one year.

BOHNTR
03-09-2011, 08:30 AM
First off, congratulations to the hunter......don't know him but a Desert Bighorn with a bow is a feat. Kudos.

Now for the overall topic of long range shooting. I not only sit on the records committee for P&Y but I also sit on the CA state archery board and deal/negotiate with F&G Commissions and Department personnel from several states in the West. Trust me when I say this folks.....extreme long range shooting will be the demise of archery only seasons if we continue down this road. They are noticing it......and they do not like what they see. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant if the folks making the rules have their minds made up. Remember, their perception is their respective reality.

I've been bending bows for over 35 years now and was raised with the following statement: An ARCHER sees how far away he can get from his target and still hit it. A BOWHUNTER sees how close he can get to his target before he hits it. How far a person casts an arrow is usually not a major debate with me.......until their actions directly affect mine.

HuntinMontucky
03-09-2011, 09:11 AM
Sure to each his own, but at the end of the day we are more than just some guy running through the woods with a bow, Burnworths shots make bowhunters look irresponsible! If you can do it at the range rock on but when your in the field be ethical! I can hit my Rinehart all day at 70 yards, this past season a twig took my perfectly placed and released 55 yard quartering away shot and sent it into the dirt, that beautiful 6 point walked out to 70 yards, stood broadside and watched my nock another arrow, draw and steady without moving, I could have flung the arrow out there sure but missing the first shot was heartbreaking enough, then to think of possibly wounding an animal? No leave that at the range. Same goes for this new long range rifle crap Im seeing anymore, if you cant close the gap within a reasonable distance especially with your rifle...stay home! Any why take long shots with a bow, isnt that why we bowhunt, for the challenge and the THRILL of getting CLOSE?! Just my 2 cents.

zachbow
03-09-2011, 09:58 AM
I'm glad that you guys agree, because I am getting blasted on Facebook over this.

300WBYMAG
03-09-2011, 11:37 AM
zachbow, I seen that and it's a shame that so many guys jumped all over you. However, I do think that because of the comments you and others put, ultimately is what got it yanked off FB. You were standing up for what you believe, nothing more, and the opposing side (the brainwashed fans) went straight for your throat. I bet Jim was real proud of the some of those comments coming from his "fans" that were in favor of him and what he stands for. It's got to be real heart warming to see so many people show such poise and character when defending a man they know nothing about other than what airs on TV three nights a week.

It's also great to know that there is some people in this world who are not completely batsh!t crazy like most of the guys who were posting towards you. The sad truth is, anyone with a little financial backing can get a TV show now days. I can guarantee that if his "fans" knew what goes on behind the camera, the footage that doesn't get show, the details about the hunt that he doesn't air, people would have a much different view of some of these guys.

And what amazed me the most was how many open invites he got from his FB fans to come "hunt with them anytime." NO! He's not ever going to come hunting with you and you're probably never going to sit down and have a beer with him! Please, stop trying to make it seem like he's your buddy from high school who you used to chase girls with and get in to trouble with. Wake up and come back to reality from behind that monitor and internet connection.

Mike
03-09-2011, 12:21 PM
Right On HuntinMontucky part of the skill of hunting is the stalk. Everyone has taken long shots, but this long-range Hail Mary stuff, bow or rifle, is lack of stalking skill. And those people who high fence kill and pawn it off as hunting, have gone to the dark side. Mike Eastman

Muleyslayer
03-09-2011, 01:43 PM
I Ditto what BOHNTR and RYAN say! That says it all.

Bobmuley
03-09-2011, 05:47 PM
I haven't watch an episode of his since he tried pawning off a high fence hunt in Colorado as a free-range hunt. Now I might have to watch it just to see what shananagins he's up to now.

zachbow
03-09-2011, 06:09 PM
Got a private message from Jimmy himself on facebook today wanting my phone number. He said he understands where I am coming from on some of my comments and want a chance to talk it out with me.

MT backcountry hunter
03-09-2011, 06:25 PM
I feel that long distance practice is great for making those closer shots seem alot easier. I will practice out to 100 yards but when the season rolls around I take those long distance pins off (I leave the 50 yarder on and closer). I feel after practicing at 100 yards in the summer a 50 yard shot looks alot closer.

Firearrow
03-09-2011, 07:08 PM
Lets not for get that this guy also took a shot at a deer on an indian res with his 50 at a mile. I bet he thought he was good to go because he hit a deer at a mile!!!

zachbow
03-09-2011, 08:31 PM
Lots of great post on here guys. Thanks

HuntinMontucky
03-09-2011, 09:21 PM
Right on, great post! If this were Facebook I'd "LIKE" this one ha ha!

trkytrack
03-10-2011, 12:46 AM
Agreed; he's a joke. Not a role model for my kids. Quit watching his shows long ago.

Idabow
03-25-2011, 11:05 PM
Not a fan of Burnworth and all his canned hunts and long distance shooting/bragging, although I am a little suprised there was no mention of team FMP shooting 80+ yrds at animals with all this talk of long range archery shots and questional ethics.

Rob
03-26-2011, 08:55 AM
The part that bothers me in all this is that people in the media likes Burnworth are influencing the youth who will grow up thinking this is OK. It also seems that one of these guys has to out-do the one before him. It worries me that this extreme distance crap will ultimately hurt hunters everywhere as BOHNTR stated. Money talks and the only way to stop this craziness is to not watch their shows or buy their products and denounce their actions whenever appropriate.

THEBUGLER
03-26-2011, 10:50 AM
No long range bow shots for me. And I don't approve of others taking those kinds of shots. Unethical.

wolftalonID
03-26-2011, 11:55 AM
I only hunt open country, and without a guide. I bring my game to the animals, and if they beat me at my own game, then I learn and go again. Its the challenge to hunt, not the ability to fling sticks that brings me back again and again.
In my very first year hunting with a bow, which really was only four seasons back, I remember one long shot. Keep in mind I have shot bows since I was six years old, but my father didnt hunt, so I never did either.
In my own range at home and in set up ranges in the woods, I have been known to hit targets out to 80 yards. I have tried farther ones but just never seem to connect. Partly because my sights are not set up past 70 and I am only guessing at hold over at that point.
50 yards my arrows are with in 4 inch groups. 60 yards, 2 out of 4 will be touching but the group is opening up. 70 yards all on a paper plate, so a kill on an elk for sure. In a hunting aspect, I get really uncomfortable if they are not within 40 or less yards.
In my first year, I tried a 72 yard broadside shot at a deer slightly up hill. The shot itself was seriously perfect. However at about 8 feet out from the impact the arrow did a 90 degree turn suddenly and stuck a doe in front of my target doe in the ass. She was wounded and ran off. I did try to follow her, but the country (Unit 39 in Idaho) was too steep for me to follow. Contrary to many that told me wounded animals always go down hill, this one did not , but could hobble up hill faster than I could run up to get closer, and she eventually snookered me. I left feeling like crap and later went back the next weekend with my wife to scour for my lost arrow.
I went back to the scene of the shot to find a lonely stick about the size of half my little finger sticking up right where my arrow had made that weird turn. It had a broadhead cut in it.

Needless to say, the shot was spot on, and so was a stick I could not see at that range through my peep. I knew then, that field variables were never worth the risk of terrorizing game animals, with shady shots.

One of the most awesome hunts I ever saw on video that helped me to understand the value in this decision was a hunt by William Primos. He let an elk walk at 4 yards while he was at full draw due to a branch between him and the elk. This bull elk was huge too. Right then, I knew he had character that would rival the best of them any day, and I have not forgotten that lesson in self control while in the field.
However you want to put it out there, there will always be those like me that like to fling sticks just for fun, and then there will be those that think its also fun to fling em out there at a live target just to see.
Character is something to learn, and to learn it well you need good role models!
Thanks Will for being a great role model.
Thanks Eastmans for putting out ethical educational magazines that bring up the hunters the right way!

elktracker
03-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Seems like most people on this forum are against taking long shots at animals, so I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on Cameron Hanes taking that long shot in NM on Elk Chronicles last weekend. They didn't give a yardage on the shot but you could tell it was long by the time it took the arrow to get there and the extreme arc of the arrow. He hit the elk but it was a bad shot and they didn't recover the bull until the next day. I know not every shot is going to be perfect and things happen, but like people have said on this thread showing long shots like that on TV only encourages hunters to follow suit.

I respect Cameron Hanes and think he is a good role model for bow hunters because he works so hard to prepare for his hunts (getting in shape and shooting) but I was disappointed to see him take a shot like that. Then the way they just ended the show after they recovered the bull with no discussion of the shot or the recovery makes me think they likely lost some meat on the elk. I wonder if the pressure of making a TV show influences hunters to take marginal shots they might pass up if they were just hunting out on their own.

arrowslinger21
03-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Well theres been a lot said on this topic, and honestly I haven't even read the entire thread but I have browsed quite a bit of it. As for Burnworth... I absolutely hate his show, and I will never watch it. I do not enjoy watching him in the least bit, and after watching a time in the past, I was sickened by a couple of things I saw on his show. As for long shots, I don't have a problem with them to a degree. If it is a shot the hunter feels that he or she can make every time, then that is their call and no one elses. Cameron Hanes who was just mentioned in the last post, shoots every single day of the year. I am sure that he is comfortable to let an arrow fly at a longer distance, because he shoots day in and day out, even after running marathons. He was the first one to have his name on a 7 pin sight for that matter from spot hogg, and for that reason I am sure that he is comfortable with shooting those longer distances. It is pretty simple in my mind, either you know you can make the shot 100% or you don't shoot it. I am willing to bet that many guys out west are willing to shoot 60 yards, and I know that I personally practice at 60 yards every time I shoot, which is nightly during the late spring all the way through the summer months. If it is past 60 for me, I am not currently comfortable taking the shot, that may change someday, but for now that is my longest range.

elktracker
03-30-2011, 02:46 PM
Well theres been a lot said on this topic, and honestly I haven't even read the entire thread but I have browsed quite a bit of it. As for Burnworth... I absolutely hate his show, and I will never watch it. I do not enjoy watching him in the least bit, and after watching a time in the past, I was sickened by a couple of things I saw on his show. As for long shots, I don't have a problem with them to a degree. If it is a shot the hunter feels that he or she can make every time, then that is their call and no one elses. Cameron Hanes who was just mentioned in the last post, shoots every single day of the year. I am sure that he is comfortable to let an arrow fly at a longer distance, because he shoots day in and day out, even after running marathons. He was the first one to have his name on a 7 pin sight for that matter from spot hogg, and for that reason I am sure that he is comfortable with shooting those longer distances. It is pretty simple in my mind, either you know you can make the shot 100% or you don't shoot it. I am willing to bet that many guys out west are willing to shoot 60 yards, and I know that I personally practice at 60 yards every time I shoot, which is nightly during the late spring all the way through the summer months. If it is past 60 for me, I am not currently comfortable taking the shot, that may change someday, but for now that is my longest range.

I am not questioning anyone's shooting ability, as I said in my comment on the 1st page of this thread, I can personally hit a target at 70 yards no problem. The problem is that animals aren't targets, the time it takes an arrow to get out to 70+ yards allows the animal to react to the shot or just move which can cause a miss or worse a bad shot which wounds an animal but isn't fatal. I think this is what happened to Cameron on the show I mentioned above, the elk moved before the arrow impacted, he probably made a good shot and was confident when he let it fly but you have to take into account that you are not shooting stationary targets at the range.

Even if you are shooting 350 fps, the sound of your shot will get to an animal 0.4 second faster than your arrow at 70 yards.

MI-address-ROCKYMTN-heart
03-30-2011, 03:56 PM
An ARCHER sees how far away he can get from his target and still hit it. A BOWHUNTER sees how close he can get to his target before he hits it.

I love this statement. For me the romance is in the hunt not the shot. To each his own; be safe, be ethical.

MT.MAN
04-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Ryan and Elktracker pretty much summed it up for me too. Zach you know that both you and I have a lot of the same thoughts on this show and subject.

bambam4019
04-12-2011, 06:06 AM
to all the Jim burnworth haters out there, have you ever met the guy? He is one hell of a person. He knows more about how to hunt then most of you combined. I guarantee every single one of you wouldn't say that garbage to his face. And just because he can make shots like those look easy doesn't mean that you all should hate on him for doing it. It's one thing if he wounded an animal because of this but both shots were perfect shots. It just proves you are all jealous and couldn't make a shot like this. If you wanna be that good then practice. Most archery shots should be under 50 yards but there are a few where if you are comfortable at that distance and you know without a doubt you can make thatshot then take it. You are all a bunch of haters who don't know what you are talking about. I guarantee he could line up with most of you and out shoot you with any weapon. He has been an amazing sportsman and worked very very hard to get where he is at today. It just completely proves how jealous you all are because you aren't able to accomplish something like this. And about the high fenced hunting he never high fence hunts he works his butt off to get any animal he takes. Guided or not he is a badass in the hunting industry and needs respect.

wolftalonID
04-12-2011, 09:58 AM
lol....Ok Jim.... lol

MT.MAN
04-12-2011, 10:51 AM
Obviously BAMBAM4019 has never watched the show Jim Burnworth put's out called Western Extreme. I know for a fact as I have met the owner of the Ranch at a Sports Show that almost all of his Idaho elk hunts take place on Ken and Tammy Walters high fenced ranch out of Riggins, Idaho. As High Fence as High Fence gets! Nothing like shooting a glorified Heiffer from a pasture with a few pine tree's in the background for effect. I also saw an episode up in Canada that showed the website to the Ranch on the sign as they were pulling into the ranch. I went and looked at the website and YEP sure enough "High Fence". That was the last episode I ever watched of this "Fake Production". In fact I wrote 2 letters to BOWTECH telling them of my disgust with them sponsoring a "High Fence" show. I know of at least 8 people who also wrote to BOWTECH and got the same generic letter back from them.

bambam4019 are you serious or was this just a spam post to get people riled up? YOU SIR DO NOT HAVE A BACKBONE TO STAND ON NOW THAT YOU HAVE MADE THE "he never high fence hunts" statement as that is 100% FALSE!

I would gladly tell Mr. Jim to his face that I am ashamed at the "Falsehood" he promotes to our youth. The kids that watch outdoor T.V. need to know that most of his show is staged on farms. I know Zachbow and quite a few others on here would stand right beside me and say the same. DIY BABY DIY!!!

bambam4019
04-12-2011, 12:14 PM
I guess I should not say never but rarely, What difference does it make, He kills tons of animals in the open country and your complaining about a couple of shows. Anyways it's not like he cornered it. He still hunts it just like in open country. I have saw every one of his shows and they beat most everyones shows out there including yours o wait you don't have one. The only difference between high fenced and open country is someone owns the elk. And besides he still kills them with a bow. It's tough to do that anywhere you go high fence or not. Anyways Don't watch his shows if you don't like it your one guy. Then it will give you more time to complain about stupid stuff on here. And I'm definitely not Jim obviously just a fan.

bambam4019
04-12-2011, 12:51 PM
Anyways to follow up everything, he is a very positive person and promotes all types of hunting, he has killed more animals in one year then you probably have in your life. He hunts 300 days a year. How much do you hunt? Quit being negative towards a hunting icon. we all need to stand together and be positive towards all types of hunting, whether you are trophy hunting, getting meat for your family or just having good ole fashion fun. We need to stand against PETA and things like that not other hunters. Jim does so much for the hunting industry. He wants to give as much as possible to youth and future generations. We need to stand together. Divided we will fall apart but together we will be stronger. So the message I'm trying to say is quit bashing people. Be positive these forums are for positive talks. I greatly apologize to you sir for getting you riled up, anyways hunt hard

MT.MAN
04-12-2011, 01:25 PM
bambam4019 as for the amount of animals I have killed. You would be surprised how many this fat man has taken. You didn't really get me riled up, a little frustrated as I WALK THE WALK when it comes to kids and OUR future. I just took 2 kids on their 1st Turkey hunt this morning and they both nailed nice Tom's. I don't see these staged shows as good for the kid's. I personally have been involved with putting a SHOTGUN, MUZLELOADER, .22 RIFLE and BOW into the hands of over 1440 kids over the last 9 years. So yeah I do have a heart for the future of "HUNTING". I do not feel high fence is hunting, nor do I feel the long range shoting is hunting. That is my opinion and I understand you have one too. As far as this thread goes I guess we can just agree to disagree.

bambam4019
04-12-2011, 04:15 PM
60 plus animals a year is very tough to beat. I will say that high fence hunting may not be hunting to you but to many others it could be a dream come true. The big picture is that a man could go hunting on a ranch and have a 100 percent guarantee that he can harvest a trophy hang it on the wall and feed his family with that meat. I understand what you are trying to say but the fact is that most ranches are massive 50 to 100 thousand acres or what ever size but most people won't cover that whole area in a hunting season. Also by Jim going on a show and killing something in a high fence, he is giving that outfitter publicity so they can make a living just like you or I. It also let's people watching know that there are places to hunt that give a guarantee on an animal. There are very few high fence hunts he does On a positive note thanks for keeping the hunting community alive and doing what you are doing I and many more people greatly appreciate it. The biggest thing is you and others have to understand is he is helping out the hunting community by what he does. He has worked from the time he was able to hunt to do what he does today. He needs respect plain and simple if you met him I guarantee you would like him. Anyways hunt hard and stay positive thanks

300WBYMAG
04-12-2011, 04:20 PM
bambam,
I'm not going to sit here and bash the home or the away team, but at what point when you said "he has killed more animals in one year then you probably have in your life" did you fail to realize what you actually just said means? I hunt the West every year, usually close to 6 states if I can, and I know that I can't "stack them up" like this Burnworth guy does. I mean, I am lucky to kill a couple of elk and a deer or two a year...and that would be if things went extremely well - nothing close to the "This is my 49th animal with a bow this year" as I have heard him say on one of his shows.

I think you need to sit back and ask yourself how one guy can go kill so many bucks, bulls, hogs, impala, gemsbuck, zebra, kudu, heartabeast, sheep, red stags and what have you, and not be high fence. I know you kind of came back an admitted that he does so some, but do you fully understand just how much "some" is? Unguided or not, it doesn't really matter, the fact is that no one can take that many animals in one year doing it 100% DIY or Guided or not, on general season tags or limited entry. It's just no possible. There are many of us who are living testaments to this every year. I can't say that I hunted 300 days last year, but I know there wasn't much time between August and January that I wasn't hunting somewhere. I killed an antelope, elk and two mulies last fall...a whole 4 animals and it was one of the best years of hunting in my life. And to say that I did it 100% DIY, and all on public land makes it mean that much more to me.

zachbow
04-12-2011, 05:10 PM
bambam, Jim asked for my phone number after all the facebook chatter. I gave it to him and he called and talked with me for 45 minutes at least. I told him exactly what I thought, just as I would have in person. I dont think that 90 yard shots are something we should be showing on tv. It gives bowhunting a bag image. It makes people think if he does that so can I. Get a rifle dude. You talk of PETA, things like these kind of shots are exactly the kind of things that give PETA fuel to use against us. So just to clarify, myself and many others on here I am sure would tell him to his face just as they have here if given the opportunity.

bambam4019
04-12-2011, 06:01 PM
300wbymag that is amazing that you took 4 animals in one year. that is something to brag about. i didnt mean to sound like i was bashing you it came out wrong. so i apologize. and hey you may be right on some animals are fenced but a majority are not. it doesnt matter anyways to me jim is a pretty darn cool guy you would have to meet him to find out anyways take care and kill some trophies. and Zachboy its an opinion. his first shot was at 73 yards, if you know jim he has been shooting his whole life and can take a baseball off the end of a bat at 100 yards with a bow. his follow up shot was at 90 yards and if you have another shot opportunity you need to take it and he did. i feel it was the right thing to do. but that is just me. irregardless of the shot or who hunts where or what weapon they use or distance or whatever, we are all family in the hunting way. we just need to get along and be more positive towards the situation. i know emotions get the best of us sometimes but if we can address these situations in a different more positve manner then i think problems like this can get solved and we can get back to killing stuff. once again divided we fall apart but together we are stronger.

MT.MAN
04-13-2011, 01:34 PM
P.S. ZACHBOW I picked up 2 bags about 100lbs. of bread and doughnuts for your bait. Will do the same next Tues. the 19th if you want to meet me in Boise that afternoon I should have a pretty good load for you!

Shane
04-14-2011, 09:13 PM
bambam4019,

I have read this entire thread and I have a few issues with this dude. One is if he hunts 300 days a year and kills that many animals, I would guess that it is a pretty high percent that is High Fenced. Second, the kind of shots he is making and discussing is not good for our youth to see. I help with our local archery club and one of our focuses is getting kids into archery and hunting. It is hard to get kids to understand that an ethical shot is more important than the crap they see on tv. Kids really think what is on tv is the way it has to be, so when they see some ya hoo shooting long distance they think that is what it is all about. Simple solution, stop being arogant and just hunt, leave numbers out of it, no one really cares. Most importantly the deal you mentioned with PETA. You say he kills all these animals, what does he do with them. If PETA realizes that the meat and usable parts of an animal are not being used properly you just gave them fuel. When our ancestors hunted it was for survival, not bragging rights. I know trophy hunting is where it is at now, and I do trophy hunt, but I, as most hunters do consume everything from the animals we harvest. I bet this guy doesn't eat 10 meals in a year with the meat he harvested. I hope it is going to a good cause, but it still isn't going to where it should go. It is just a shame that people in the industry allow things like this to be televised.

Weatherby831
06-12-2012, 10:37 PM
Bunrjoke is not a hunter let's get this straight he just kills and has no place to say he is a western hunter, he will kill what ever gets in front of him period. He is nothing but a publicized over rated poacher plane and simple. The fact he has sponsors that support his style of killing is a joke.

next year in Reno I will tell him Jim you are a joke and watch me do it as he stands ther dumbfounded like he does every day.



It amazes me some of the comments that those guys put and to know that they are actually "buying in" to his whole deal is just sickening. You hit the nail on the head zachbow, canned hunts, high fences, you name it...Burnworth will do it. The worst part is, is that guys give him recognition for it.

On the flip side, the best part is how he validates everything with the number of animal's he has taken(usually in that year)...like when he said in his FB rebuttal, "I took 61 big game animals with only my bow this last year..." At what point does the guy reading that not wake up and smell the coffee? Also, if the shot was a "73 yard X" (which we all know is crap), why was there a need for the follow up shot at 93 yards, which was another "perfect" arrow when he was "Hard Quartering" away.

The guy is a pure joke, an insult to be known as the "western hunter. Makes us guys who actually work for it, year in and year out and come home empty handed most of the time, just sick. At least it does for me...

nvarcher
06-12-2012, 11:00 PM
I think there are some jealous people out there! He gets to hunt and kill more animals than any of you. You bag on him for taking a 70 yard shot, because you guys who dust their bows off a week before the season dont. He is one of the most well practiced and best shots with a bow I have seen.

Graylight
06-13-2012, 12:10 AM
To each their own....