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Edelweiss
03-30-2012, 06:59 AM
I shoot F-Class with the Lapua Scenar in the 139 weight.

For the Lapua I shoot 300 Sierra Match King (SMK).

For .30 cal I use either 190 SMK or 190 Lapua Scenar, but neither on game. For game I use Accubonds, and I have used the Berger quite a bit on kangaroos.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-30-2012, 08:43 AM
I use the 185 Berger VLD Hunting in the 300 RUM. This year I will be trying the 200 Barnes LRX. I am right now seeing how my 7 mag shoots the 168 Berger, 160 AB, and 168 Barnes LRX. We will see.

My 7-08 is good further out than most would expect with the Barnes 140 TTSX.

Edelweiss
03-30-2012, 08:51 AM
What make barrel is on your RUM?

I need to see how they feed out of a AICS magazine, but I am thinking about building a Surgeon or Badger in that caliber.

Not really a fan of a hot .308, as 7mm, 338 and 6.5 have higher BCs. But then again, the RUM is fast!

We had a .308 Warbird Lazzeroni in a Tru-Flight barrel and a Barnard single shot action for 1000 yard benchrest. What a hammer. But the shop I part time in got it 2nd hand and the barrel twist was wrong for heavy bullets. So we shot 168 Grain Nosler and 165 (?) Bergers .

I think someone is going to order another .308 barrel for it since have the Brass, and try it again. The warbird died at 650 rounds. Wow Lazzeroni brass is crap.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-30-2012, 08:56 AM
I have the factory Remmy barrel on there, but the throat is getting long. I think its next barrel will be from Benchmark barrels. I have a Douglass Match on the 7-08, and I really like that barrel too.

There are some good high-BC pills available for the .308. I am curious about how the 200 LRX is going to turn out. I have heard rumors that real-world BCs on that one are around .6 G1.

Ikeepitcold
03-30-2012, 09:11 AM
I use Barnes LRX for my 338 ultra mag. I'm not a compition shooter but I'm very happy with my groups at 1000 yards. Mauser action, Match Grade Barrel.

packer58
03-30-2012, 11:35 AM
I hand load the 160 gr AB, factory Rem 700 7 mm mag. Composite stock, floated barrel, bedded action, tuned factory trigger and topped with a 4-12 X 50 mm Leupy with M1 elevation turret. This setup will shoot MOA or less out to 800 yrds.

Drhorsepower
03-30-2012, 11:35 AM
I shoot Berger vld 168 gr. our of 7mm mag 700adl

I jumped on the bandwagon. I switched to this bullet last year and haven't drawn a tag since so I can't tell you how effective it is but they are accurate.

Elkoholic307
03-30-2012, 06:08 PM
300 gr. Berger Gen. 2

I'm not a Berger fanboy but this bullet is straight up nasty.

Edelweiss
03-30-2012, 07:33 PM
I wonder how that 300 Berger .338 bullet works on game.

Nosler started loading the 300 .338 Accubond. I think that would be a good system as well.

xtreme
03-30-2012, 08:18 PM
I can tell Drhorsepower, you will like the results of the 168 Berger VLD. I shoot to 600yds, thats only half of 1000. Bone stock Browning is sub minute in upto 15mph wind to 600 yds. A whitetail buck shot last year in Ne fell out of sight so fast I thought he had escaped into a coule. I hear stories, but I have had great results with that bullet, sorry I havent recovered a bullet yet.

Drhorsepower
03-30-2012, 09:14 PM
Thanks xtreme. Shot placement is everything. Doesn't matter on bullet :).

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 01:02 AM
drhorsepower,

I dissagree!

Bitterroot Bulls
03-31-2012, 08:20 AM
I wonder how that 300 Berger .338 bullet works on game.


Well, it has 300 grains of metal to work with, so it probably punches a big hole right through game.

Elkoholic307
03-31-2012, 08:52 AM
Shot placement is everything. Doesn't matter on bullet :).

That's quite a statement! I also disagree. The 168 Berger is plenty for deer but not enough for elk, in my opinion.

Elkoholic307
03-31-2012, 09:03 AM
Well, it has 300 grains of metal to work with, so it probably punches a big hole right through game.

That's basically how it works. 300 grains is 300 grains and it has to go somewhere.

This doe wasn't shot with the Gen. 2, but it was a bullet with a similar construction; the 300 gr. SMK. The picture was taken on the exit hole side. Don't ask me how, but there were chunks of lungs all over the ground. The shot was straight through both shoulders; not anywhere near the lungs. I expect similar results with the Berger.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/tj_vanderploeg/doegoat.jpg

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 06:54 PM
Well, it has 300 grains of metal to work with, so it probably punches a big hole right through game.

I used to think that until I spent a week reshooting everything I shot in Africa because of piss poor bullet performance from PMP 375 and 308 ammo. My ammo never made it to Africa.

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 06:55 PM
Elkaholic,

Nice rifle, please tell us about it.

BKC
03-31-2012, 08:05 PM
elkaholic, antelope don't have that much meat on them to begin with!

Elkoholic307
03-31-2012, 10:27 PM
Elkaholic,

Nice rifle, please tell us about it.

That's actually my buddy's 338 LM. 700 action, Krieger barrel, GreyBull stock, Timney trigger

We had filled both of our buck tags that day and I had an extra doe tag so I just used his gun for the heck of it.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-31-2012, 10:57 PM
That's actually my buddy's 338 LM. 700 action, Krieger barrel, GreyBull stock, Timney trigger

We had filled both of our buck tags that day and I had an extra doe tag so I just used his gun for the heck of it.

Why does he have his ring nuts on the wrong side?

:)

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 11:47 PM
Nice set up.

Unless the rings are canted I can't see what difference it makes. Some actions might throw brass and hit the nut, but either way.

Drhorsepower
04-01-2012, 12:02 AM
Edelweiss. Pm Inbound

Bitterroot Bulls
04-01-2012, 12:35 AM
Nice set up.

Unless the rings are canted I can't see what difference it makes. Some actions might throw brass and hit the nut, but either way.

I was just razzin' him, because most put the nuts on the non-ejection side, for the brass reason.

Edelweiss
04-01-2012, 03:08 AM
I have never lost an animal, but I had a heck of a time with crap bullets in Africa on oryx, red hartbeest, and kudu. Funny thing is the toughest African plains game animals are zebra and the one I shot folded like a piece of paper.

I need more experience with the Accubond at +500 yards. Now that Nosler is making a 300 grain Accubond I'd like to see how it works at long range.

BobT
04-01-2012, 05:42 AM
Both my long range guns are 7MM's A 7MM RM and a 7MM RUM I shoot 160 grain Accubonds in both.

Elkoholic307
04-01-2012, 10:32 AM
Why does he have his ring nuts on the wrong side?

:)

He gets that question a lot, haha. They're not in the way of anything so he just left them like that.

Bitterroot Bulls
04-01-2012, 01:42 PM
He gets that question a lot, haha. They're not in the way of anything so he just left them like that.

Bet he didn't notice until after everything was mounted up solid. I laughed when I saw it, because I did the same thing once. It looked goofy enough to me, that I ended up remounting anything. My OCD was acting up again.

Elkoholic307
04-02-2012, 09:46 PM
Lol I hate OCD!

hvfd21walker
04-02-2012, 10:12 PM
180 grain Nosler Accubonds in 30cal.

Elkoholic307
04-03-2012, 12:12 AM
I wonder how long it will take for this thread to be moved out of the optics section?

Jeremy
04-03-2012, 10:36 AM
I use 180 grain VLD's.

xtreme
05-27-2012, 12:16 AM
I recovered a 168 Berger from a bear killed yesterday by my grandson. I won't have a scales until I get back home, but it looks like its low on weight retention. Bullet got its share of meat, I don't really like that. It did just drop the bear and I did like that.

BobT
05-27-2012, 08:27 AM
I use either Accubonds or Ballistic tips, not quite as streamlined as some others but designed as hunting bullets and I have never had any trouble getting them to shoot well with minimal load development.

Bob

Colorado Cowboy
05-27-2012, 08:27 AM
I don't use a "special" long range bullet. Long range for me is 400 yards or so. I have never shot anything over about 500. I hve shot varmints & prairie dogs out to 500, but big game 4 to 450 is it. (I've punched a lot of holes in paper up to 1000, but nothing live) My point is that my bullet of choice is a Nosler Partition for elk & larger and Sierra Game Kings on smaller.

Grantbvfd
05-27-2012, 11:16 AM
the 300 gr. SMK. The picture was taken on the exit hole side. Don't ask me how, but there were chunks of lungs all over the ground. The shot was straight through both shoulders; not anywhere near the lungs. I expect similar results with the Berger.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/tj_vanderploeg/doegoat.jpg[/QUOTE]

What a waste of meat. If you can't hit them good you shouldn't be shooting long range. Why do you need a 300 grain bullet for a 100 lb animal?

BobT
05-29-2012, 08:05 AM
What a waste of meat. If you can't hit them good you shouldn't be shooting long range. Why do you need a 300 grain bullet for a 100 lb animal?

Looks like a pretty good hit to me, while the caliber would not be my first choice for a pronghorn nor would a Match King bullet, I can see nothing wrong with the shot placement. I think the gun and caliber are personal preference, for what it's worth I have seen smaller calibers exhibit similar damage with similar shot placement.

Bob

xtreme
06-10-2012, 06:14 PM
The weight of the recovered 168 Berger from the bear kill was 56.5 gr or 33% of the original weight. Not a pass thru, but the bear was dead in his tracks. This was a 150 yd shot with muzzle velocity of 3017fps. Might be a little more meat waste than a windchester E-Tip, as an example. Weight retention was no where near any of the bullets in EHJ june/july.
I dont see any reason not to use them on my unit 67 3rd season rifle hunt and the Co sept bear hunt.

Elkoholic307
06-11-2012, 09:30 AM
Why do you need a 300 grain bullet for a 100 lb animal?

Why do you care what I use?

Doe Nob
06-11-2012, 11:02 AM
I am shooting 180 grain Barnes TTSX and getting good results out of it. The one my rifle liked the best of the half dozen $50 a box grade ammos I tried.