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Edelweiss
03-30-2012, 08:43 PM
Anyone handled one of these?

Trying to keep every NEW scope I have from being more than $3000.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-30-2012, 09:09 PM
Edelweiss, that scope is getting lukewarm reviews, but comes in the reticle you like.

This scope gets top notch reviews:

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51642.aspx

Edelweiss
03-30-2012, 10:47 PM
I saw that too, but what I think it really boils down to is reviewer knowledge.

I know quite a few mlitary snipers and F-Class shooters that have reviewed it and liked it. Bushnell is really trying hard to back it, and the customer service on them has been stellar.

The other 34mm scopes are twice to three times as much.

Edelweiss
03-30-2012, 10:50 PM
The Bushy comes in the Horus reticles from Horus or Larue tactical.

I can get the 34mm Leupold for $2200 in the TreMor.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-30-2012, 11:28 PM
Bushnell has good customer service?

You don't hear that too often. I hope they have improved.

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 12:59 AM
It is the most expensive scope they have ever made, and they had to break the mold designing it as it is a 34mm FFP scope. It is also only 12 or 13 inches long without the sunshade. So it's shorter than a lot of their 3-9 1 inch scopes are.

One of the folks that I know that has them says he was really impressed until he saw how the turret didn't line up with the clicks. He called them to discuss the problem and they paid shipping both ways and he had his (same scope) back within 6 days.

I am not a SEAL, Ranger or anything like that. I used to be a armorer in a special operations unit, but I want to quantify that by saying I am not a special operations kind of guy.

In the 4 years in that unit I saw every kind of high dollar scope you can think of Hendsoldt and Ziess 34mm, Schmidt Bender, Leupold, Nightforce and US Optics. Well all the ones that are available for military purchase because the company didn't sell something to an Enemy.

I have sent a lot of equipment back and forth between our shop and the above companies. All of them have good customer service, to me I am kind of like Tommy Boy, I can take a pile of elk crap and put it in a box with an awesome guarantee or produce quality.

Ziess/Hendsolt and Schmidt produce quality, we rarely ever sent anything to them. Leupold makes good stuff, but not like the other two. The other two well, we used UPS a lot. Now that Trijicon and Leupold have scopes in the same price category as Ziess/Hendsolt and Schmidt it will be interesting to see how they do.

I have a military deal on buying a Leupold 34mm at a much reduced cost, but Trijicon doesn't offer that kind of program.

I can also get a Ziess at much reduced cost including the 4-24x72 34mm scope. But I don't like the reticles it comes in. They don't work with my balistic solver system.

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 01:01 AM
I have a couple feelers out, I want to know more about the Bushnell. It has a lot of good stuff going on with it.

Then again, everyone gets tired of a elk crap in a box no matter how good the guarantee is.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-31-2012, 09:17 AM
Edelweiss,

This guy knows his stuff, and doesn't have an agenda:

http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98:high-end-tactical-scopes-part-3&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4

I think the Razor HD would also be a good choice for you, and they have a nice grid reticle.

Is the 34mm tube a feature you want?

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 06:38 PM
Good find,

No, the 34mm is a wash. Nice to have that much more elevation and windage (if they put it in there), but what I really want is the Tremor or Horus h58 reticle, and a sound tough optic, with good light transmission, and accurate tracking in windage and elevation.

Everyone that I shoot F-Class with has a Nightforce or a March.

March is probably the least impressive high dollar scope I have ever seen.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-31-2012, 06:59 PM
What didn't you like about the March? Was it the benchrest model or tactical? I recently saw the 10x erector tactical March (the 2.5-25 model), and thought it was the single nicest riflescope I have seen. I could not figure out how they got such an outstanding image in such a high erector ratio. Funny how people see things differently.

The author of that comparison is an optical engineer and dedicated rifle shooter.

Is the Razor HD's reticle not to your liking?

I wonder why you want so much elevation adjustment when you will be using solely the reticle for holds?

Perhaps you should take a look at a Premier Reticles Scope. They have most of the features you want.

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 11:50 PM
We have had two of them come apart on the range here.

F-Class is brutal on scopes.

Reminded me of Nightforce in their beginnings being crap. Now they are good enough to get a defense contract.

Edelweiss
03-31-2012, 11:56 PM
Both were this model. http://marchscopes.com.au/bench-rest-10-60-x-52.html

March Australia is pushing them really hard as F-Class and 1000 yard BR scope.

My brain kind of spins this way "If I wouldn't want it in my hands while being shot at in Afghanistan, why would I want to hunt with it?"

There are a lot of companies people are falling all over themselves to suck up to. But quality stuff is rare. Sitka is another one. I bought a couple of the hats and a vest last year to wear here in Australia.

Not sure what happened but their stitching is crap.

Bitterroot Bulls
04-01-2012, 12:47 AM
We have had two of them come apart on the range here.

F-Class is brutal on scopes.


Which scopes came apart?

Why is F-class tough on scopes? High volume?

Bitterroot Bulls
04-01-2012, 12:50 AM
Both were this model. http://marchscopes.com.au/bench-rest-10-60-x-52.html

March Australia is pushing them really hard as F-Class and 1000 yard BR scope.


I can't imagine that is a very comfortable scope to use with a sub-mm exit pupil at max magnification.

Take a look at the March tactical scopes if you get a chance. They are very impressive.

Edelweiss
04-01-2012, 01:16 AM
Any modern scope costing $3000 shouldn't come apart under 10,000 rounds of 300 Winchester.

Bitterroot Bulls
04-01-2012, 08:43 AM
Any modern scope costing $3000 shouldn't come apart under 10,000 rounds of 300 Winchester.

I agree.

Every scope model out there has failed. some just have better records than others. You mentioned a couple posts ago that you saw two scopes come apart. What brand and model scopes were those? What was the outcome with the company's customer service? That is good information for people reading this thread.

Edelweiss
04-01-2012, 06:48 PM
It was March BR 10-60, and I don't know about the customer service. Generally in Australia customer service sucks, so it would have been up to March Australia.

F-Class and really any rifle competition is super hard on scopes. Just number of rounds kills them. But Leupolds do well, even old Burris Black Diamonds are tough, a lot of guys are shooting Nightforce down here and having fairly good luck. What will be the deal breaker on weather or not March succeeds as a company is how long their scopes last.

Bitterroot Bulls
04-01-2012, 07:22 PM
Oh I follow you now. The March tactical scopes are getting some good press, anyway. Optics are top notch. I am glad to hear the two that failed weren't the Vortex Razor HDs or Premier Reticle scopes. Both have excellent durability reputations.

Have you thought about the Razor HD? That is really nice scope with great optics, and a stellar warranty backing them up. Also, they are getting some oversees use with good reviews, expecially on repeatablility and durability. The reticle should work for your style of shooting, and it fits in your price range nicely.

Edelweiss
04-02-2012, 01:58 AM
We don't have either brand down here, so I haven't got to handle one.