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ICEMAN3
04-24-2012, 12:05 AM
I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the Sierra reloading manual. I bought some Sierra 100 gr. Spitzer boat tails and would like to find out what powder levels are best suited for it. If any one has any ideas that would be great also. If you do have the Sierra manual could you possibly scan the pages with the .25-06 info and send it my way. That would be greatly appreciated.

kcaves
04-24-2012, 07:43 AM
what powder do you want to use?

ICEMAN3
04-24-2012, 11:27 AM
I have been experimenting with Reloader 19 and is what I am using at the moment.

kcaves
04-24-2012, 01:33 PM
according to alliant powders who makes reloder 19, maximum is 57 grains, I run 59 grains of hodgdon 4831 shortcut with a 117 grain hornady sst

Colorado Cowboy
04-24-2012, 03:33 PM
I run 59 grains of hodgdon 4831 shortcut with a 117 grain hornady sst

Same load that I use in my 25-06 except I use 117 gr Sierra BT. There also is a difference between the regular 4831 and the SC (shortcut).

kcaves
04-24-2012, 07:30 PM
yes there is, the IMR 4831 is bigger and I think it burns a little faster if i remember right. Its amazing the different specs you get with different books, even if they are by the same company, my old hornady book thats 10 years old says max for 4831 SC is 60 grains, my new one says 54 grains and hodgdon's website says 52, I'll just stick with 59, haven't seen any pressure issues and that gun loves it, the more powder you put to it, the better it shoots

ICEMAN3
04-24-2012, 08:14 PM
Awesome fellas thanks. Ya we experimented a bit. I tried 57 and 58 gr. of the RL 19 and no pressure issues either. What do you guys hunt with these bullets? I am wanting to build a load for medium sized game (mule deer,antelope,bear, and anything else) and I want to build a varmit load for coyotes. Do you guys have any suggestions? bullets, powder types, how many grains, and anything else? I am fairly new to the whole reloading game so any information is awesome!

Colorado Cowboy
04-24-2012, 09:19 PM
There is a big difference between the old powders that are not IMR and the new ones that are IMR. The IMR powders are hotter, thats why the recommended loads are less. In my 25 I substituted IMR for the old numbered powder and used the same amount of powder as before. What a difference, blew primers and hard to get the bolt open....sure signs of too much pressure. Got my attention...BIG TIME!

Timberstalker
04-24-2012, 11:09 PM
Small game try 54gr H4831 with 100gr Nosler BT bullet, for deer and even elk try 50 gr H4831 with 120gr Nosler partition bullet. I have latley been tyring the 100 gr Nosler accu-bond with 47 gr IMR. It shoots well, but I'm not too impressed with the bullet, the bullet didn't mushroom at all on the last thing I shot with it. To be quite honest after shooting dozens of differant hand loads through my 25-06 over a span of thirty years I would be very comfortable going with the ol' Remington core-lokt 100 gr factory load, for some reson my rifle loves them. I reload because I can save $ doing it and I have tons of brass.

kcaves
04-25-2012, 06:27 AM
I used to use my 25-06 for everything from elk to prairie dogs. A really fun bullet for varmints is the 75 grain V max from hornady, or if u are shooting coyotes or other things that you don't want to tear up really bad, your 100 grain bullets would be good as well. I now use mine for antelope and deer, I shot my goat at 600 yards with it last year


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Colorado Cowboy
04-25-2012, 07:17 AM
I love .25 calibers. I built my first 25-06 back in the late 60's, way before it was offered as a factory cartridge. I just picked up a used Weatherby Mark V .257 Wby Mag. I am really excited to see what I can work up for it. I've probably shot 50 deer, 40 antelope and some feral hogs with my 25-06, it is a wonderful rifle. It's an older Ruger M77 tang safety with a 4 x 14 Leupold VXIII. Been shooting it for 35 years and never done anything to it except glass bed the action, shoot it and keep it clean!

6mm Remington
04-25-2012, 11:14 PM
The 25-06 is a great round, and the 110 gr. Nosler Accubond would be an excellent bullet in it. In my wife's 25-06 I am using 120 gr. Nosler Partitions. That rifle and bullet has killed two elk, antelope, and deer. I am using IMR4350, but H4831SC would be a great powder also.

ICEMAN3
04-26-2012, 12:38 AM
thanks 6mm Remington, how many grains of powder are you running in both setups?

6mm Remington
04-26-2012, 06:43 AM
I'm still playing with the 110 gr. Accubond. I have not shot it enough yet. With the 120 gr. Partition I am using Winchester brass, Federal 210 primers, and 49.0 grs. of IMR4350. In the 22" barrel on the wife's 25-06 it chronographs right at 3000 fps. This load shot so well that I never messed with any other powders with the 120 at least.

ICEMAN3
04-27-2012, 05:00 PM
Awesome information. Thanks. I may have give them a try.

ThreeTikkas
04-29-2012, 07:36 PM
OK,I went out this afternoon and fired a few new cases with trial loads in them. This is a 3 shot group of 110gr AccuBonds over some H4831 SC I wanted to play with. I like it! Considering the wind we had this afternoon I'm quite pleased.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/DWCalls/100_1481.jpg

Colorado Cowboy
04-29-2012, 08:46 PM
4831 SC is awsome powder in my 25-06 too. Great group.

ICEMAN3
05-01-2012, 12:26 AM
Three Tikas, Awesome group man. That's my ultimate goal with my gun. Now its getting the time to start making loads and testing them.
thanks for the info.

ICEMAN3
05-01-2012, 12:33 AM
I thought of another question. Do any of you recommend a bullet for the rate of twist in your rifling? My .25-06 is 1:10". Or does this really matter unless your a long range precision shooter?

ThreeTikkas
05-01-2012, 05:14 AM
1:10 is pretty much standard for the 25-Otter. You should be good to go with most pills from 85gr to 120gr. Provided they aren't excessivly long designs. i.e. Barnes monolithics and the VLD Bergers. It's actually the length of the bullet that causes the most problems with twist rate.

BobT
05-01-2012, 06:18 AM
ThreeTikkas,

What is a 25-Otter and what kind of velocity are you getting? Assuming that is a 100 yard group it looks like a shooter for sure!

Bob

ICEMAN3
05-01-2012, 11:21 AM
Three Tikkas,

Ok that's what I was thinking but ya never know. Thanks for all of the info. I am going to try and pick up some powder today and give it a go tomorrow after class.

ThreeTikkas
05-01-2012, 08:24 PM
ThreeTikkas,

What is a 25-Otter and what kind of velocity are you getting? Assuming that is a 100 yard group it looks like a shooter for sure!

Bob

That's just another nick name for the 25/06, i.e. Otter Six, 30 Otter,25 Otter,you know Ye Ole Otter. Yep,that's a 100yd group. They should have all been in the same hole. It was blowing pretty good left to right,and I was in a hurry. Didn't wait on the wind flags like I should have. As for velocity,it's been running 3,050 +/- a few fps. I could probably stand another half grain for sure,maybe a full grain,but why run hot for another 50 or 60 fps? I'll likely leave it where it is.

BobT
05-02-2012, 07:59 AM
That's just another nick name for the 25/06, i.e. Otter Six, 30 Otter,25 Otter,you know Ye Ole Otter. Yep,that's a 100yd group. They should have all been in the same hole. It was blowing pretty good left to right,and I was in a hurry. Didn't wait on the wind flags like I should have. As for velocity,it's been running 3,050 +/- a few fps. I could probably stand another half grain for sure,maybe a full grain,but why run hot for another 50 or 60 fps? I'll likely leave it where it is.

Awesome, thanks! I just picked up a new .25-06 the other day in a trade. Waiting for dies to come in now!

Colorado Cowboy
05-02-2012, 09:25 AM
If you read one of my earlier posts you know I've been shooting the 25-06 since the 60's, before it was a factory load. It used to be called the .25 Neider. Probably more than you want to Know!!

ThreeTikkas
05-02-2012, 04:00 PM
Way to go BobT! It really is a joy to work with. Oh there are times that I wish for a little more poop with the heavier bullets. Not for any reasons based in fact or reality. Just the old human "I want more" syndrome. Thats why there is a 270 Win,or 257 Weatherby. More options and more guns to drool over. By and large,the old 25/06 will do way more than it is given credit for. 85gr Ballistic tips and RL19 makes a super long range woodchuck round. Pills of 100,110,and 117gr are very pleasent and effective deer medicine. If I had a Black Bear that I wanted to smite,I can't think that the 120gr Partition would have any trouble getting the job done. If all I owned was a 25/06 I sure wouldn't give up elk hunting. With the bullets available to us these days the playing field has leveled quite a bit. You're going to enjoy the new iron.

Sawfish
08-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Go to shootersproshop.com. This is Nosler's outlet store. Some real deals on cosmetic blemish bullets and overstocks. Although, I cannot find any blemishes on the ones I bought.

Colorado Cowboy
08-09-2012, 03:05 PM
I used to buy 2nds from Sierra when they were in California and I lived near them. Bought them by the pound. I talked to one of their sales people and they told me that when a certain number of of a lot of bullets was defective, they dumped the whot lot. I used to look for obvious blemishes, weigh them and then roll them for concentricity. usually only found a couple of bad ones.

Sawfish
08-09-2012, 05:52 PM
I did the same thing. One of the big reasons for rejects was if a bullet die became worn enough that the bullet was off the slightest bit from specs., the entire lot was rejected. Nothing wrong with the bullets, other than they did not match, but they shot fine and killed fine. It was a sorry day when they relocated from Sante Fe Springs to Missouri. Just another benefit of having the AQMD!