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ssliger
05-08-2012, 06:36 PM
I changed cable providers this Winter and no longer get the Outdoor Channel. So I have spent the last month recording a bunch of different hunting shows on the Sportsmen Channel, The Pursuit Channel and NBC sports. Just to see if there are some out there that i will enjoy. While I have found a few that I like, I have seen a lot more terrible shows. I just watched a show yesterday where the hunter was shooting at a bull elk facing straight on. The hunter did not wait for a better shot, he decided to shoot, the elk moved at the last second, just a fraction and you could see the bullet enter the hind end. He then went on to say what a good shot it was. Watching these shows just pisses me off, bad shot placements, hunters setting bad examples for our kids, high fenced hunts. I watched another episode recently that they were hunting elk on some high fence ranch. The hunters could basically walk within 100 yards of 400" bulls out on a prairie and shoot them, they looked tame. Now I understand there are some real good programming out there and i love to watch them. But it seems like any yahoo can get a show nowadays. I tried to e-mail the makers of the show to voice my displeasure, but there was no contact info. So I figured I would get my rant out here. My wife doesn't want to hear it anymore.

Ikeepitcold
05-08-2012, 08:57 PM
I can pretty much agree with you on your rant. There is so many shows out there now and some real bad crap gets put on tv. I don't watch Whitetail hunting any more or the ranch hunts were you know it's high fence. I saw the same Elk ranch hunt your talking about I think. I also know that if a guy has that kind of money to spend and that kind of hunt is what he wants then go for it. But for me I'll only watch the fair chase Elk, Mule Deer, Antalope and everything else I can find.

Montana
05-08-2012, 09:53 PM
I'm with you... My frustration is poor shot placement, like you said, and then the BS their way out of it. It's the BS'ing that bothers me... And then the number one frustration is how so many people add 20-30 inches on every animal.... And yes sorry to say Eastmans just did it on an antelope hunt that Mike shot :) Sorry boys... you're guilty too.

I say just say it as it is... It's real hunting.

MOHunter
05-08-2012, 10:28 PM
I don't really enjoy many of the shows either. I like the shows that resemble the kind of hunting I do. I want it to look real. I don't need to see a monster killed every episode if they are showing what the hunter is doing right and wrong. I like On Your Own Adventures because it seems more like what the average guy experiences.

jenbickel
05-08-2012, 11:12 PM
I agree that there are a lot of shows out there that are almost painful to watch. A company that I pro-staff for is based out of Oklahoma and have decided to incorporate me into their show. This weekend I am going out and filming a turkey hunt. Even though I have a ranch outside of town that I could easily go kill a turkey on, I am going to go onto public land to kill the dang thing because I want it to be more of what an average hunter experiences. I'm not one for really paying an outfitter for a hunt when all it takes is a little extra effort to do it yourself on public land. There are shows that prove that you can do it alone and on public land and those are the shows that I personally enjoy watching. Something that I can actually connect with, not sitting in a blind or treestand (no offence to you blind or treestand hunters, I'm totally just a spot and stalk person) with a high fence all around you waiting and hoping for some big buck to walk by you. I like to get out and get stuff done and really put work and effort into my hunt. :)

Joe Hulburt
05-09-2012, 01:23 AM
I think the majority are bad for hunting because by and large they they don't portray what most of us are about. Eastmans, On your Own Adventures and Into The High Country with JM represent something I am proud to be part of. Most of the crap I see does not!

This is just the tip of the iceberg. The worst part is we have people like Bob Beck of Extreme Outer Limits and Ted Nugent that seem to have no regard for the laws or ethics that ensure conservation of our game animals and who are willing to do whatever it takes to make a buck in the business. They unfortunately hurt us all with their arrogance and disregard for the rules that are meant to ensure wildlife conservation. Even though we didn't ask them to do it they represent us all to the masses. This is really unfortunate!

BobT
05-09-2012, 08:21 AM
I think the majority are bad for hunting because by and large they they don't portray what most of us are about. Eastmans, On your Own Adventures and Into The High Country with JM represent something I am proud to be part of. Most of the crap I see does not!

Those three along with Meat Eater are my personal favorites. I will admit if I see a pronghorn show I will watch who (whom?) ever it is.

jenbickel
05-09-2012, 09:34 AM
I think the majority are bad for hunting because by and large they they don't portray what most of us are about. Eastmans, On your Own Adventures and Into The High Country with JM represent something I am proud to be part of. Most of the crap I see does not!

This is just the tip of the iceberg. The worst part is we have people like Bob Beck of Extreme Outer Limits and Ted Nugent that seem to have no regard for the laws or ethics that ensure conservation of our game animals and who are willing to do whatever it takes to make a buck in the business. They unfortunately hurt us all with their arrogance and disregard for the rules that are meant to ensure wildlife conservation. Even though we didn't ask them to do it they represent us all to the masses. This is really unfortunate!

I'm so glad I am not the only one! I cannot stand Ted Nugent. Everyone seems to be so obsessed with him but I think he just takes things way too far and isnt a good influence. I want my kids to be able to watch hunting shows and not get the wrong stuff stuck in their heads.

Doe Nob
05-09-2012, 10:18 AM
The outdoor networks are kind of interesting business models vs. the rest of television. Basically, you can buy air time for $150k a season or something like that. So everyone of these shows shoots on spec, then they go secure advertising dollars and pay their expenses and the network. So if you really see something egregious, contacting the advertisers has more of an impact with these networks than it might on other networks.

And to the question - I think it causes hornflation to run rampant, people aren't happy going hunting for the sake of hunting, they want some OIL toad whenever they go.

CoHiCntry
05-09-2012, 11:59 AM
And to the question - I think it causes hornflation to run rampant, people aren't happy going hunting for the sake of hunting, they want some OIL toad whenever they go.

I think your right on with this! More times than not these shows show the exception rather than the rule. Makes everyone wanna be, or worse think they are a bad boy back-country bow hunter, which most aren't... That being said there are some good shows out there as long as you keep it in perspective.

dito
05-09-2012, 12:46 PM
Those three along with Meat Eater are my personal favorites. I will admit if I see a pronghorn show I will watch who (whom?) ever it is.

Love meat eater. I'll watch most duck hunting shows as well.

Colorado Cowboy
05-09-2012, 12:56 PM
In my other life (before I retired 12 years ago), I used to live in southern California. I had a large boat and spent a lot of time fishing and diving of the Calif and Mexico coast. One of my friends was a outdoor show tv producer. We filmed several shows on my boat. The thing that really got my attention was that what was shown on tv and at outdoor shows was a lot different than what I experienced on the trips. 1000's of feet of film was taken and not used. I know this is the practice in the film industry, but it gives a skewed view of what really happens. Makes you wonder how many missed shots, wounded animals and other such stuff gets edited out. Everything you see is almost perfect, really doesn't reflect what we as hunters & fisherman really experience.

Oh yeah, the original question....I don't watch many. As for Nugent....It has been said already, very eloquently.

Bob
05-13-2012, 04:51 PM
In addition to Eastmans, The Meat Eater and On Your Own Adventures, I'd like to cast a vote for SCI's Expedition Safari.
I liked the shows where Mike Rodgers took the kids with disabilities out hunting and also what the money SCI members pays does abroad. I can't recall an episode where these shows don't promote ethics, fair play and contributing to a better and larger cause.

Jeffws
05-14-2012, 05:08 AM
This distortion for the sake of pure entertainment by television happens all the time, luckily there are viewers like you who look right through it, I would agree it can have a negative impact on hunting and other adverse influences on children etc.

wolftalonID
05-14-2012, 10:19 AM
I have a slightly broader view point. I am a self made hunter. Had noone to show me how to or what to do as I grew up. I only started hunting about 6 years ago. I have been in competition shooting sports since I was six years old, and I will be 37 this year. I know my skill in shooting both a bow and a gun for that many years. As a hunter however, it has taken me many balked shots to realize its important to hunt with in my own limits in order to make it an ethical hunt. I only wish that I had had someone beside me showing and telling me when it wasnt a good idea to take a shot. These shows often dont do that.
There are some that do and its nice to see. I have been and always will if my body allows me to be a spot and stalk hunter. I also rather prefer to bow hunt.
Rifles are great for ground squirels and coyotes.
For me, knowing my calm behind a gun at any time, I looked into hunting as a challenge. I know that a gun made me calm and focused. No challenge if I was in range of my gun. Bows have always been a different deal.
No prone shooting or resting against a tree. Its always standing or maybe a kneeling shot. Off hand, and so so so many factors to consider prior to release to make that shot go where its intended.
If only I had known the adreniline rush that would have been coming on my first hunt......I would have practiced for that too!!!

ALLL shows only show a brief window into the efforts it took to harvest that animal. We who have gone and done it know how difficult it actually is. So simply dissing on a show due to it only showing a 30 min highlight reel of an adventure is far from ethical on our own part!
Everyone of us has made or will make less than perfect hits. And everyone of us when we recover that less than perfectly hit animal are joyous in the recovery of it. Myself included here. And for those of us that have made poor hits and lost an animal also know the pain we feel in the defeat and loss of what we were out to accomplish.

We all speak of ethics....yet some of you speak of them as if they are a written rule. Have you not forgotten how the hunters education classes define ethics? An un written set of rules that are a guide to making decisions for each hunter. Each hunter is responsible for defining their own ethical boundries.

We should be passing on our own ethical rules to those youth and adults we influence. We should not though rip on others that make shots you would not. If they have the skill set and confidence to do it, and the animal is harvested and collected.....then they deserve the credit.

As far as patience to wait out a better shot?.....we all have different patience levels. Rifles and bows have their limits on shot options as well. There are always better shots and marginal shot options. Skill set is the decision factor that we should be basing our go no go off of.

As far as High fence or open country. We all have our preferences. I believe to hunt is to put myself into the environment that the animal calls home and to truely hunt them on their terms. If I win then I did well. If they win, then I learn and grow in skill and carry on.
For some....its about bragging rights....so there is a market for high fenced hunts. To each their own.

As far as Ted N goes.....he is a rock star!!!!! Very esentric(SP) in his speach and SUPER excited about hunting. A huge NRA supporter and a supporter of our troops!!!! Most of his hunts are on private lands. Out side of him being a little out there...what is it about his hunting that is so bad? At least its not LRP!!!