View Full Version : One of the Greatest Trophy Units to Apply to? In your opinion..
08-05-2012, 06:41 PM
I'm just about 17, I figure if my friend and I start applying for a trophy unit now, when we are in our early 20s we can get the tag. I'm not talking about a 20 year wait obviously. Just like 5-10 years. Any advice? The sheer number of units is just overwhelming. We could care less what state it's in. We were thinking Utah or CO. Thanks in advance.
08-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Just so you know. That wouldn't be enough time to get enough points in Colorado for a top unit. Better look to another state in that time frame.
08-05-2012, 07:31 PM
Buy and read mike eastmans elk hunting book. those eastman boys have it down. put in in more then one state every year and after a few years youll be drawing tags like a mad man. unitl then good luck and dont shy away from otc tags. monsters get shot every year this way.
Accumulate some points that allow you to get in to some good units but DO NOT point chase to get the best tag in each state. Choose different weapons for different units and be proficient with all and you will put yourself into a good hunt ( I dont think there is a bad hunt) almost every year. As ivorytip says " Monsters get shot every year", It might as well be you! Good luck and have fun.
08-05-2012, 08:26 PM
Unit 111-222 late for Nevada. They broke up that unit this year but any area in these units are great but it needs to be late. Good luck
08-05-2012, 10:08 PM
If you like UT, go Henery Mts. for deer and the San Jaun for elk. You may have to wait much longer than five to ten, but your young just do it.
08-06-2012, 05:01 PM
haha, i think you need to take you and all of your friends to colorado and have old hunter show you around;)
08-06-2012, 07:33 PM
Won't help. We have no elk.
08-06-2012, 08:46 PM
Old Hunter, you're beating that joke to death.
To the original poster, Wyoming Area 58. You get a two month season to sort through monster bulls.
08-06-2012, 09:23 PM
My first post was serious. I just followed up Ivory's lead after that.
The OP has 1 post, so I figured he hadn't heard we have no elk yet.
08-07-2012, 11:21 AM
I can't help with any state but Oregon. Trophy potential is not good, even the best units in the state are what would be average in other states. Not there aren't big bulls in Oregon, just few and far between. The most desireable "trophy" units are 20+ years away to be guaranteed. Who know what it will be like in 2032? If you just want to hunt elk, that can happen every year, there are OTC options and like said before big bull are killed every year OTC. I wouldn't bank points in Oregon, you have a better chance getting a big bull hunting every year OTC then waitning 20+ years to hunt once.
08-08-2012, 09:29 AM
I agree with Old Hunter. Don't pick CO to chase points, it will take you a long time (15-20+years) for top units. Instead pick a couple states and start building points, burn them every 2-5 years and you will have a quality hunt. First you need to get experience, if you just build points for 10 yrs and think because the unit is good you will hike in and find big elk you could get very disappointed. I would recommend getting the hunting experiences started and you can learn from there. OTC gets you hunting now, and will also put elk hunting the rockies into perspective. You can still buy a point for Wyoming, this is a good state to start accumulating for b/c of the elk and the affordability of not having to put in for a tag.
08-08-2012, 09:38 PM
you still have time to buy a "point only" in WY, $50, do it...
Arizona/Utah, great elk states,
most elk states have at least a few great elk units, building pts in as many states as possible is a good idea.
if you're in ND... MT/WY might be high on my short term list...
NM/ID- no points
get eastmans' or the huntin fool magazine... they'll help you find the best units year after year...
08-09-2012, 08:26 AM
When you start looking at all the posts from the people who hunt the various areas in the west, one thing kinda stuck, for me at least. Yes I am older and cannot wait 20 years building points and yes I do have a little extra $$$ for hunting that is available. If I was 25 or 30 years younger, I would build points and setup a "hunting only" fund. Add to it when you can and leave it alone. When it gets to a point that you can afford a guided hunt where the tag can be included....go for it.
At the range yesterday I was talking to one of our members (our range is private open to members/guests only) who was shooting his m/l getting ready for elk opener same as me. He finally drew his long coveted unit in NW Colorado with 21 pts. He was 75 years old and said he had waited a lifetime for this hunt. This is a good news/bad news situation. Good he got his tag...bad because he will never get to do this again unless he is willing to spend some $$$. I came to that realization a few years ago and while I am building points here in Co & also Wy, I still plan on guided hunts in the future. I am 70 and next year I am planning an elk trip to New Mexico and will go with an outfitter. I'll try drawing a tag, but am prepared to pay what it takes if I don't. I don't see the situation getting any better for you younger guys, probably get worse!
Food for thought...right.
08-09-2012, 09:35 AM
Im with CC on this one. Im 42 and there's no way I will wait 20 years to draw a coveted tag. If I were you and killing a bug bull is your only desire, start looking into a guided hunt. If you want to be an elk hunter start hunting OTC. If you want to play the points game and go DIY, I would look at units that take 5 points or less. More than likely if they take 5 points now, in 5 years the same tag will take 8-10 years to draw. I call it "behind the eight ball", there too much hype on "blue chip" hunts these days IMO
08-09-2012, 09:42 AM
There is one huge advantage to not being a trophy hunter. I'm a meat hunter. I started hunting in the 50's, and have hunted every year, and shot more game than I can remember. I've never paid a dime to anybody for my hunts. I've loved all my hunts, and I wouldn't trade any of them for paid hunts, or hunts that I waited years to do.
That's me though, and I don't expect others to do the same.
Since you're so young, I'd start building points in several states.. In several years, when you can afford the tags, and the time off (school has a bad habit of falling during hunting season), you will have probably upwards of 7-10 points in a bunch of states, and good hunts will be rolling in about every year. I didn't really get bitten by the western bug until about 2 years ago, and have been building points since then, 12 hunts over 4 states, and then also applying in NM.. I look back, and think, if I would have started applying out of college, I'd have 6 points, and would be in the running for a bunch of good tags.. As it stands, I'll be hunting OTC the next few years, until I can start drawing some decent hunts.
I think it's kind of pointless to chase some of the premium units, as you'll likely never catch up to them.. Apply for middle of the road units, hunt hard, and you'll consistantly kill game.
Finally, I think someone said it earlier, but if you don't start buying points now, you'll regret it later.
08-09-2012, 04:45 PM
I don't have any advice for your original question about what unit to hunt but I am 26, just started applying last year and have come to the conclusion that I would like to apply for the long haul on a couple units (Arizona strip mule deer being one of them) and then use 1-5 point type units for most of the other states. The good thing about NM and ID are that there are no bonus points and you have the same odds as everyone else, just depending on how many people apply to that specific unit. OTC tags seem to be a great choice too. I'm about to get married and buy a house so I won't be buying a hunt for a year or two but after that, I will go with an outfitter when I don't draw anything.
08-11-2012, 09:16 PM
I am 31, and after a 15 year period of no western hunting, I am getting back into it. As I mentioned before in other posts on other threads, I grew up in a family that has hunted the West since the 50's. Started going as a kid and into HS.....then sports came, college, wife, kids, a 100% career change which killed my hunting besdies here in Wisconsin........but I am back on track.
I am lucky to have hunted elk twice, shot a cow, and have heard a million stories from my family. While still pretty "green" on elk hunting, I have enough knowledge to tell you that I would not make my first hunt a "trophy" hunt in which your burning tons of points. You need to go elk hunting. Be it cow, bull, or just tagging along. Elk hunting is different than most hunting. Try an OTC in Idaho, Colorado..........Montana is a great choice right now due to their insane tag prices weeding people out. Do your homework. Look online. Buy maps. Call Biologists. Be a Google Earth Fantatic, like me. I wouldnt get so hung up on "trophy" units. Read eastmans, pick a state or 2, accumulate Pts for a trophy unit, and in the mean time do as many elk hunts as you can. I wish I would have been building points all these years. Living in WI makes it tough for me to do some states......CO, WY, MT are easier than Utah or idaho or the SW. I do have 2 PP's for WY, and may try to draw a "less than perfect" area in 2014. This fall its WY mule deer, SD mule deer in 2013, then its elk in 2014. Once the kids gets older, we may try to do 2 trips a year....elk early and deer late.
But if I were you, if you have the funds, try Montana. less hunters than CO. Look at the draw research, find a unit that youll draw 1st year, and there are some due to the high price of tags,......... Call a biologist or 2. And just get out and elk hunt. Maybe you'll find you dont like it. Maybe youll love it. Never know till you try.
08-12-2012, 08:25 AM
Exactly. New guys to elk hunting think that all it takes to get a trophy bull is to hunt the right unit. It takes much more than that. You need to be an elk hunter first.
08-12-2012, 05:33 PM
Very True Oldhunter..........I will share my 2 elk experinces, both back in High School. We hunted for 5 days in the northern bighorns of WY, rifle. I hunted sunup to sundown for 5 straight days and never caught a wiff of an elk until the 6th morning. we were hunting till noon. Going up a canyon and had a cow and a calf come barreling down the trail, and I shot the cow at 10 yards before she ran me over. We got 2 cows and a calf that trip out of 6 guys.
Next hunt was on a rancher friend of my late grandfathers out in Thayne, WY......his name was Ralph Hatterly (may have spelled that wrong)......I should look him up. My grandfather hunted with him for decades, and he always allowed our family to hunt. anyways, it was a hot dry fall, and most of the elk were up in Idaho. We hunted 5 straight days with nobody even smelling an elk. Last night of the hunt, Ralph comes up and says he heard bugle and saw some elk out behind his house during the night when he went out to his shed for something. So we headed up that way before dawn. We were hunting 2 of the drainages that bordered that field. I got into he elk. Found fresh beds, steaming poo, a tree torn to sheds with sap dripping, and the smell of elk all over. I set off on the game trail but never caught up to them. My uncle who was up high on the ridge, while I was down low, saw the herd and the bull as they disappeared off Ralphs land and into Idaho. I even heard he elk moving ahead of me at one point....never even caught sight of a hide.
It was a fun hun though.....saw lots of moose. Had a 3' bull at 25 yards. Big for a shiras. Heard the wolves have them all but extinct now.......
But thats a total of almost 12 days of hunting, and I saw exactly 2 elk....the cow and he calf with her, and I shot the cow. 12 days and about 2 minutes of seeing elk.
THAT is elk hunting sometimes. The next year or 2 later though, I couldnt go, the fam went out to Ralphs and got 3 bulls and 3 cows with 6 guys. Go Figure! Elk were all over. THAT can be elk hunting too.
You just gotta go do it. I am very green and need more experience. So I am with you on that. So go get your feet wet and good luck!
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