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ivorytip
08-19-2012, 07:39 AM
i whent with my buddy on a speeg goat hunt yesterday, took wheelers back to an isolated alphalfa field where weve seen lots of lopes while scouting for elk.we set up a blind whent the extra mile to make it look like part of the landscape and pulled out the glasses and waited. not an hour later a guy pulls in and sets up 50 yards down from us in a totaly wrong blind. within the next hour there were 5 blinds set up within 200 yards from us. WTH? ive never been on a goat hunt before but is this normal? we watched a small herd working their way to the filed and when they got with in 100 yards they spoted all these blinds that were out of place and turned back. i would never set up close to where someone is set up. thats just wrong. any thoughts on this? agree, not agree? it was unerving.

canvsbk
08-19-2012, 09:34 AM
Sure sounds messed up to me.....

Ikeepitcold
08-19-2012, 10:02 AM
So not cool! I have had thing similar to me as well and it just pisses me off! The way I see if first come first serve. If your there first everyone else should go find somewhere else to hunt. If I'm going to my spot and another guy is there before me I wil go find a new place and leave him alone and not screw up his hunt. It's the way it should be.

ivorytip
08-19-2012, 10:22 AM
im glad im not alone on this. i was confused as much as i was pissed. did they think with all these hunters and blinds the antelope would walk right past.....

Colorado Cowboy
08-19-2012, 12:14 PM
Never had this exact situation, but had similiar things happen when I was waterfowl hunting on public land. Get there way before daylight (sometimes even the night before) and setup and have some aholes come in and set up within 50 yards of our decoys! Almost had a fistfight several times. All we did was to make a lot of disturbances and movement when any birds started to work, they usually got the message and moved. Lots of people (won't call them hunters!) just don't think and really don't care.

Muleys 24/7
08-19-2012, 12:23 PM
I belive in the first come, first serve too.

BobcatJerry
08-19-2012, 01:54 PM
First come first serve. I always honor someones space and go to plan B if needed. In Ohio you can run into problems of having someone using your stand if on public ground. Even had people argue about it. Glad I only have one of those.

jenbickel
08-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Definitely first come, first serve! If I see someone with a blind set up I try to get as far away from it as possible. I would have been pissed as well.

Spud
08-19-2012, 04:47 PM
It sounds like combat fishing is leaking over into hunting in your case. I hate it when people do that!

trkytrack2
08-19-2012, 05:01 PM
There's some big time well know bowhunters here in Colorado that think that because they've hunted a spot before that that spot belongs to them, public land no less.

Old Hunter
08-19-2012, 05:48 PM
That's public land hunting when it's easy to get to. Something I always avoid. I'm not surprised by what happened to you.

What's even worse is fly fishing the Arkansas River during the caddis hatch.

hvfd21walker
08-19-2012, 08:30 PM
I had a trail camera set up on an Elk wallow and a guy hangs a treestand right above it. My camera had been in there for 2 months and a week before season he hangs it and messes with my camera. First come first serve. It all comes down to respecting each other.

wapiti66
08-19-2012, 09:55 PM
It should be 1st come 1st serve, public land is everybodies but if somebody is in the spot before you, time to move on down. Those are some ignorant people to set a blind up next to yours. And disrespectful.

ivorytip
08-19-2012, 09:58 PM
ha, yeah reminded me exactly of fishing for stealies when they are runing.

husker hunter
08-19-2012, 10:07 PM
Im a firm beleiver in first come first serve, I have been on both ends of the situation. If someone is in the spot I wanted to hunt I alwyas move on! I was waterfowl hunting a few years back and had a some guys set up 30yds from me and every time I pulled the jerk cord on my decoys their dog busted from cover and tried to retreive my decoys, it was so frustrating it was almost funny!

Brocka
08-19-2012, 10:35 PM
Like Colorado Cowboy, my brother & I have had similar experiences while waterfowl hunting, most of the time its been pretty mellow with either them moving on or if we were the late ones we would move on. We have only had one time where they thought it was ok to set up with 60 yards of our set up. We were both young, I was 17 he was 15. We thought "well we will give it a try and see if they are smart about it" well needless to say when they sprayed us with BB's my 15 year old brother ran off a couple of grown men in a hurry! He was up out the blind yelling before I even knew what happened.

After the dust settles though, It is public land and you are going to have people who aren't running on all 8 cylinders when it comes to being respectful. I've learned that its typically the guys that spend 3 or 4 days a year in the field. They go opening weekend and then don't give it another thought until opening weekend the next year but call themselves hunters. I think its just something we all have to learn to deal with.

HuntWYODon
08-20-2012, 12:30 AM
Never hunted a waterhole in my life and have never not filled an antelope buck or doe tag for that matter. I just got back from what I'll call a once in a lifetime antelope hunt in Ca.. I met an 85 yr old rancher that had 3000 acres down to 800. I had more fun talking to him tfoe 3 days than hunting. He had a pond, a creek and a big pond ( can't spell resivoure) . I could of killed the same buck opening morning. Came back and killed him in the afternoon. had nothing to do with water. 13 bucks in Wy. and 1 in Az. also had nothing to do with water. Sitting water for antelope is an archery thing because you have to be one bad ass to stalk them with a bow. I know, I tried in 1983. Leaned right off. Water, highly over rated. Like baiting...

Colorado Cowboy
08-20-2012, 08:06 AM
I know this isn't a waterfowl hunting site, but I've got a funny (and really stupid) one. My Dad had leased 200 acres in Imperial Valley in Ca that turned out to be one of the best goose fields near the Salton Sea. A friend of mine and I went down and spent 1/2 the night setting up decoys and building our blind. Come daylight, 2 guys started sneaking/crawling up to the decoys that were 250/300 yards from the fence line, which by the way was posted with No Trespassing signs. When they got close enough to hear us we jumped up and started yelling at them. Needless to say thay took off running and got in their truck and sped away. Sure would like to heard their conversation!:eek:

People really do stupid things.

PLP
08-20-2012, 03:55 PM
I have dealt with this stuff on public land for 15 years...I always go somewhere else if someone is in the hole I wanted to go...or even close to it..I will just go somewhere else...Now...if there is one gate that leads to a large area..I always talked with the other guys..I'd tell em..gimme I general direction you are goin,and I will be out of your way..because I have all the areas scouted out anyways...If they werent going where I was..fine..if we were gonna be close I would make sure I idnt interrupt them..no walking past them..etc..unless they insisted...There is no sense in setting up on a man at a water hole..Thats just down right rude..If you beat me thats fine,but dont come in on me...

I would love to hear someone explain why it is ok to just waltz right in on a guy and set up right on top of him..To see what the excuse is..It's usually ignorance..totally

You dont own all rights to a spot just because you have hunted it before...if you beat someone to the hole..its yours,but if they are ahead of you..first come first serve..I see some places say..if you leave a stand or blind..it is first come first served...lol..Id love to video that encounter..lol

Dont be a jack just because you can,you never know what someone else has going on in their life,and you may wind up being the straw that breaks the camels back.....ETHICS...its what the new generation doesnt understand...and how to act civilized..

HuntWYODon
08-20-2012, 04:43 PM
I know this isn't a waterfowl hunting site, but I've got a funny (and really stupid) one. My Dad had leased 200 acres in Imperial Valley in Ca that turned out to be one of the best goose fields near the Salton Sea. A friend of mine and I went down and spent 1/2 the night setting up decoys and building our blind. Come daylight, 2 guys started sneaking/crawling up to the decoys that were 250/300 yards from the fence line, which by the way was posted with No Trespassing signs. When they got close enough to hear us we jumped up and started yelling at them. Needless to say thay took off running and got in their truck and sped away. Sure would like to heard their conversation!:eek:

CC,
you should of seen all the honkers around Adin and Bieber above Susanville. Everywhere !
I told you before when I lived down in that area we used to hunt ducks and geese
People really do stupid things. around Salton Sea. I forgot what it was you were down there. I was in late 1970's.

HuntWYODon
08-20-2012, 04:46 PM
I have dealt with this stuff on public land for 15 years...I always go somewhere else if someone is in the hole I wanted to go...or even close to it..I will just go somewhere else...Now...if there is one gate that leads to a large area..I always talked with the other guys..I'd tell em..gimme I general direction you are goin,and I will be out of your way..because I have all the areas scouted out anyways...If they werent going where I was..fine..if we were gonna be close I would make sure I idnt interrupt them..no walking past them..etc..unless they insisted...There is no sense in setting up on a man at a water hole..Thats just down right rude..If you beat me thats fine,but dont come in on me...

I would love to hear someone explain why it is ok to just waltz right in on a guy and set up right on top of him..To see what the excuse is..It's usually ignorance..totally

You dont own all rights to a spot just because you have hunted it before...if you beat someone to the hole..its yours,but if they are ahead of you..first come first serve..I see some places say..if you leave a stand or blind..it is first come first served...lol..Id love to video that encounter..lol

Dont be a jack just because you can,you never know what someone else has going on in their life,and you may wind up being the straw that breaks the camels back.....ETHICS...its what the new generation doesnt understand...and how to act civilized..

You hit the nail on the head PLP ! I forgot what the second "P" stands for ? Public Land ??? Help me with my senior moment please...

ivorytip
08-21-2012, 12:01 PM
4 years ago i packed in 3 miles off the nearest trail, set up my bivy camp right above a herd of elk ive been watching. i put them to sleep and woke up at 5am to 5 guys walking through my camp. they set themselves 50 yards from my camp on the only ridge to glass down the basin below. i know they seen my camp, it snowed a few inches and it was way light out with the moon and fresh snow. i give them credit, for them to make it to that spot at 5am they got one heck of an early start, but come on! lucky for me they didnt know that area to well and as soon as first light hit they started marching down the canyon, i got around and ahead of them just in time for them to push the herd my way with a nice 6x worried bout them and not lead flying his way. they heard the shot and came over, i just thanked them with a rolling eye...

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 01:43 PM
4 years ago i packed in 3 miles off the nearest trail, set up my bivy camp right above a herd of elk ive been watching. i put them to sleep and woke up at 5am to 5 guys walking through my camp. they set themselves 50 yards from my camp on the only ridge to glass down the basin below. i know they seen my camp, it snowed a few inches and it was way light out with the moon and fresh snow. i give them credit, for them to make it to that spot at 5am they got one heck of an early start, but come on! lucky for me they didnt know that area to well and as soon as first light hit they started marching down the canyon, i got around and ahead of them just in time for them to push the herd my way with a nice 6x worried bout them and not lead flying his way. they heard the shot and came over, i just thanked them with a rolling eye...
XLNT move Ivory ! I love hearing things turn out like that.

tdub24
08-21-2012, 02:57 PM
I had a trail camera set up on an Elk wallow and a guy hangs a treestand right above it. My camera had been in there for 2 months and a week before season he hangs it and messes with my camera. First come first serve. It all comes down to respecting each other.

I don't think getting your camera up first constitutes claim to public land spot. He definitely should not have messed with your camera what so ever or put his stand above it. If it was me and I came across your camera, I would have gone else where or up trail, but I would not just leave the area cause you had a camera up. If you are all ready there, physically, then yes I would respect your claim and move to plan B, C, or D. In the case of the original message, that is definitely first come, first serve. I like to think hunters (like those throughout this forum) will respect others because of the work we all put in months and months before opening day. Its the nut jobs that buy a rifle, buy a tag, and go out opening day expecting to shoot world records that are disrespectful and move in on others.