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HuntWYODon
08-20-2012, 05:22 PM
Hey all,
I've been kickin this around my head since Sat. after about slicing my thumb off skinning my antelope. I will for sure cut myself at least once on every animal I take care of. Well I had the antelope hanging and was caping it out. You know the spot that is always hard to get of on the chest ? I was pulling down hard and ran the knife between the hide and meat and sliced right the the hide across the top of my thumb on side of knuckle about an inch and a quarter long. I was pissed and it was flowing . I grabbed paper towels and rapped around it. It wouldn't stop. I knew it was a fairly bad cut but tried to ignore it. I got the head and cape off and before I started to brake down the carcass I said I'm going to get same big band aids and surgical tape to put on it. I went to my pack and my trusty kit was not there. I had left it home. First time since 1988 when I back packed into Cedar Breaks Wilderness in Ut. by myself and shot a buck first day. I boned it all out and went to saw off the antlers and I had forgot my pack saw. Can't blame age/memory on that time. I had a brand new knife so I thought well, I'll just stab the skull to make a hole ( no, not yet...) and then just work my knife back and forth to cut it off. Well it worked eventually. I had all meat loaded in my pack ready to go. Well there was this little piece of meat hanging from the hide on the skull plate. I just had to take that off. I grabbed on the wet piece of meat with my left hand and wacked it with knife and right across the top knuckle on my baby finger like butter. The end of my finger was hanging down and I couldn't move it. Figured I had severed my tendon. I wrapped toilet paper around it because didn't even have a bandaid let alone a first aid kit. Threw on my pack and hiked out about 3 mi.. got back to truck and washed it out and wrapped a towel around it and drove back home 8 hrs.. Next day I called around and both orthapedic surgeons were not in town. The one was going to be back next day. Went to him and he says I can't sew it up because it's been 2 days. I said huh ? BS. Fix it. He asked do you use your hands for a living ? I said doesn't everybody ? I'm a phone tech. He said ok. He stuck the novocain needle right into the middle of it and I came unglued ! Then it got numb...He sewed the tendon back together and sewed up the cut. I told him I'm leaving tonight to back pack in 6 mi. up top near Mt. San Gorgonio to meet my friend who was expecting me yesterday. He gave me a splint for finger and said bring me back some deer meat. Walked all night and found friend bout 10 pm. I kicked his tent. He said where you been. I said move over, I'll tell you in the morning. Okay, back to topic. Since then I've made and added to my military first aid kit. I've acquired fish hook sewing needle and thread sewing kits (remember the story about falling of a Cliff at night while hunting in Co. ? I used a regular needle and thread but I had it). I have surgical tweezer's (awesome),hemastat, surgical scissor's , fire starter, magnafying glass,space blanlet,lighters, matches, chapstick,sugical razor's,a pen, a pencil,allen wrench for scope mounts,aspiren, pain killers,surgical tape,crazy glue (very important you will see),iodine, neosporne,and much more, all in a pack that is about 5x5x2 in. weighes maybe 12 ounces. I guess it pays to work in two hospital's and have doctor's and surgeon's as friends... So back to last Sat.. I didn't bring my first aid kit. I was mad at myself to say the least. I found some surgical tape and 2 bandaid's in my truck. I put the bandaid's on but was to wet/bleeding to stick. I wrapped the tape around it a few times and said so be it. Kept paper towel over that. Eventually it stopped bleeding. Cut up carcass and loaded everthing up and went to town. Went in little store and found some crazy glue. Washed and dried my thumb and pinched cut together and glued it. Wrapped surgical tape around it again and was good for drive home. I know I cut nerves and maybe part way into tendon because It's numb and can bend only a little . Good to go though. I have more stiches in my body than an old couch !
So, I'd like to hear from other's what they carry in their "back pack" for first aid and any good stories too since you had to suffer through another novel of mine...

HuntWYODon
08-20-2012, 09:15 PM
Well hell, either nobody carries a first aid kit or aren't interested. Or maybe couldn't make it all the way through my post ???

jenbickel
08-21-2012, 08:04 AM
Well hell, either nobody carries a first aid kit or aren't interested. Or maybe couldn't make it all the way through my post ???


I did fall asleep once on the way through the post.. Haha just kidding Don!
I'm bad, as clumsy as I am, I don't carry a first aid kit. I do have some sweet camo bandaids in my camper though. I have a couple first aid kits given to me for like Christmas gifts and such but never carry them. I usually carry a little baggy of excedrin because I get migrains and then I just want to shoot everything and everyone.. I just carry my SPOT, that way I can just call for help if I break a leg or something. I'm pretty used to hurting myself so It usually doesn't phase me much. If I didn't come out cut up, bleeding and in pain after a day of hunting, I would be surprised.

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 12:05 PM
I did fall asleep once on the way through the post.. Haha just kidding Don!
I'm bad, as clumsy as I am, I don't carry a first aid kit. I do have some sweet camo bandaids in my camper though. I have a couple first aid kits given to me for like Christmas gifts and such but never carry them. I usually carry a little baggy of excedrin because I get migrains and then I just want to shoot everything and everyone.. I just carry my SPOT, that way I can just call for help if I break a leg or something. I'm pretty used to hurting myself so It usually doesn't phase me much. If I didn't come out cut up, bleeding and in pain after a day of hunting, I would be surprised.
Charity ! Thanks Jen. You are always falling asleep...
I guess nobody else gets hurt either. You should at least carry the min.. All it takes is one time. Then , you may know what else to carry...I've hunted with guy's who never even carried a bandaid and I always had to play doctor . Common sense. Are you pretty used severing tendons and cuts and slices too big for bandaids ? LOL ! Okay mtn. mama huntress. Guess I'm a woosey ! :)

birdhunter
08-21-2012, 12:16 PM
I carry a small first aid kit with me at all times. As well as fire starter supplies in case I get lost. I just purchased a 4 person med kit and would have bought the 7 person but they were out. I guess I have only cut myself once on a deer but it barely bled. I cant imagine what I would do if I got cut badly. I knew a few people who were field dressing their animals and cut their artery in their legs and died from it. So I would rather be prepared.

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 12:31 PM
I carry a small first aid kit with me at all times. As well as fire starter supplies in case I get lost. I just purchased a 4 person med kit and would have bought the 7 person but they were out. I guess I have only cut myself once on a deer but it barely bled. I cant imagine what I would do if I got cut badly. I knew a few people who were field dressing their animals and cut their artery in their legs and died from it. So I would rather be prepared.
Alright ! now were are rollin' ! Somebody I can relate to. Pretty scarey cutting your artery... I cut myself often and a few good oned cutting up animals. This last time and the time I cut through my tendon were the worst. First time I learned. First aid kit all the time. Last time I forgot...24 yrs. later. At least I wasn't in the boonies somewhere. I cut something in my thumb. It's numb and cant barely bend it. Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use. Real handy sometimes. Are the kits you are talking about for back pack or like in camp ?

jenbickel
08-21-2012, 01:19 PM
I stabbed myself in the elbow the other day when trying to open a package... I'm used to cutting myself :)

I do carry waterproof matches! Only because I got lost once in a bad rain and then snow storm and couldn't build a fire and was extremely cold...

Guess maybe I just need to go hunting with you so you can play doctor to me!

Sawfish
08-21-2012, 02:42 PM
Note to Don and Jen-Maybe you should try some of those stainless steel fish cleaning gloves! (LOL)

Anyhow, I carry a roll of stainless steel surgical wire, wind proof lighter, extra bootlaces, nail clipper, and strobe light, in addition to a supply of non-latex gloves (which I also wear while dressing game). Another good item when carrying a bigger pack is a Sam Splint for a broken or badly sprained wrist. Be sure to include a few knuckle bandages and fingertip bandages. I have recently added a small pack of anti-coagulant. I keep a first aid kit in each vehicle, and in each pack. A small bottle of Purel etc. is useful to clean and disinfect wounds, as well as sanitizing your hands.

dito
08-21-2012, 02:43 PM
I take a little back pack one.

Sawfish
08-21-2012, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use. [QUOTE]

WTH is "ED personal use"?

jenbickel
08-21-2012, 03:06 PM
[QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use. [QUOTE]

WTH is "ED personal use"?

I'm scared to know! :)

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 03:51 PM
I stabbed myself in the elbow the other day when trying to open a package... I'm used to cutting myself :)

I do carry waterproof matches! Only because I got lost once in a bad rain and then snow storm and couldn't build a fire and was extremely cold...

Guess maybe I just need to go hunting with you so you can play doctor to me!
Play doctor....I better behave... :) I am certified in CPR though...;)

You might one day instead of scissor's or razor cut yourself with a broadhead to the bone or trip and stab yourself with a broadhead or like birdhunter said, cut you femoral artery. Then your phone would come in handy. I also cut myself often. I guess it's what you do when you get older or at least me. I've just learned over my many years from accidents and mistakes. If you don't, well... A little tip about fire starting in snow or wet weather. Your matches will do you no good trying to start wet tinder,etc. . You need a fire "starter". There are tablets that burn when wet that you can lay on leaves, grass, etc. to get it started to build on. Or you can use a magnesium fire started than you can shave off pieces and use the attached flint with tool or knife to spark and ignite. Burns something like 1500 degrees. I've used both and the work. Even cotton balls with vaseline in a film canister.I'm not trying to be a survival instructer to anybody but most know being prepared is half the battle. Kind of like taking extra food or water with you. You never know when you are going to be stuck out longer than you intended. So be careful out there. You probably couldn't afford my doctor bill ! :)

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 03:54 PM
[QUOTE=Sawfish;34150][QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use.

I'm scared to know! :)

Emergency Dept. EMT's are Emergency Medical Technitions. Most places don't call them ER anymore. Call them ED...I still refer to them as ER. :)

MSUcat61
08-21-2012, 03:54 PM
[QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use. [QUOTE]

WTH is "ED personal use"?

ED is Emergency Department.

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 04:03 PM
Note to Don and Jen-Maybe you should try some of those stainless steel fish cleaning gloves! (LOL)

Anyhow, I carry a roll of stainless steel surgical wire, wind proof lighter, extra bootlaces, nail clipper, and strobe light, in addition to a supply of non-latex gloves (which I also wear while dressing game). Another good item when carrying a bigger pack is a Sam Splint for a broken or badly sprained wrist. Be sure to include a few knuckle bandages and fingertip bandages. I have recently added a small pack of anti-coagulant. I keep a first aid kit in each vehicle, and in each pack. A small bottle of Purel etc. is useful to clean and disinfect wounds, as well as sanitizing your hands.
Hey Saw ! Glad you joined in ! Nail clippers. Good idea but I carry scissors I guess I could use. Little fold up ones and surgical. I take a bottle or corterizing gel with me but not any in my kit. Great idea. What kind and size is the one you carry in your kit ? I have every kind of bandage known to man in mine also along with gauze. Don't forget the surg tape and crazy glue ! Not the kind in a tube either, in a bottle. The tubes dry out or get punctured. I too carry lighters. Good refillable wind proof butane lighters but what pisses me off is at 8000 ft and above, they don't work ! Wish I could fill one with white gas or something ! Thanks for some ideas Saw !
When you leaving on your trip again ?

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=Sawfish;34150][QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use.

ED is Emergency Department.
Hah ! beat you by a nose ! :)

HuntWYODon
08-21-2012, 04:10 PM
[QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use. [QUOTE]

WTH is "ED personal use"?
LOL ! I guess you already read by now what it means. You are old school like me and I still refer to a ER when at work.
The tape they use is awesome. It sticks great even when a little wet and comes of easy. Best part, it tears easy when tearing off. It's almost clear looking.
I pick up rolls of it all the time while walking around at work ...:)

Sawfish
08-22-2012, 06:29 PM
[QUOTE=Sawfish;34150][QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34134] Add some crazy glue and good surgical tape, like the kind the use in ER rooms or ED personel use.
LOL ! I guess you already read by now what it means. You are old school like me and I still refer to a ER when at work.
The tape they use is awesome. It sticks great even when a little wet and comes of easy. Best part, it tears easy when tearing off. It's almost clear looking. I pick up rolls of it all the time while walking around at work ...:)

That is good to know. With all those damned ED commercials on TV, I was not surprised they had an ED Emergency Room!

Hey, when you are picking up things, have you seen any needle proof surgical gloves? Supposed to be the hot ticket for dealing with Lionfish. My daughter said they do not have any at her hospital because they are too much $$$$$.

We are leaving Saturday night, but it looks like we will be meeting up with Hurricane Isaac when we get there.

HuntWYODon
08-22-2012, 11:15 PM
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[QUOTE=HuntWYODon;34159][QUOTE=Sawfish;34150]

That is good to know. With all those damned ED commercials on TV, I was not surprised they had an ED Emergency Room!

Hey, when you are picking up things, have you seen any needle proof surgical gloves? Supposed to be the hot ticket for dealing with Lionfish. My daughter said they do not have any at her hospital because they are too much $$$$$.
We are leaving Saturday night, but it looks like we will be meeting up with Hurricane Isaac when we get there.

Hey saw. I haven't heard of them before. They made out of kevlar ? LOL! I heard about the hurricane tonight on news. That blows . Literally. Never thought of erectile disfunction (ED). Mine's still functional than God ! You made me think of another meaning for ER also...:)

THEBuzz
08-23-2012, 05:27 AM
I carry and have a small kit, but after reading your post and looking at your inventory, I will modify mine...

NorthT
08-23-2012, 08:46 AM
Another thing to consider taking is vasoline coated gauze if your in a sitiation and cant sew yourself or a large cut. You have about a 6-8hr window to close a wound, after that the chance of infection doubles greater even with cleaning/disinfection of a wound. Sutures are fine unless its a animal/human bite-leave open after cleaning. Superglue and tape are great. If you have a large wound, clean, rinse and cover with vasoline gauze to keep wound moisture and apply pressure dressing as needed. The xeroform(vasoline gauze) also doubles as a great fire starter if in a jam or wet conditions. Another great suggestion is coban. Its is like a ace wrap except one side is sticky like tape however will compress a wound better that standard gauze, but does not take its place due to low ability to absorb body liquid. Another quick fix is steri-strips, which in more or less like small supersticky strips of tape, place across the wound and pull the wound closed. This is the best alternative to sutures especially with a nasty (dirty) wound. And if you have a really good friend working in the medical field the stapler is the quickest way and will not come off with a staple remover ha.

Alcohol/betadine are best choice disinfect agents. Both are cheap. Betadine comes in small individual packets. alcohol comes on wipes and easliy stored. The quick clot stuff works ok but realize that it has to come off at some point. For large amount of bleeding elevate, pressure and dressing are ideal. Your belt can serve as a great touriqet.

If in a jam and have no access to gauze, newspaper is next best thing. About the cleanest thing you can buy- most newspaper is steamed with a alcohol based dye some the inside is basically sterile.

Sawfish
08-23-2012, 10:21 AM
Don, the cauterizing agent that I carry is called "Wound Seal". It is a dry powder in individual packs for small wounds. The material is similar to the wound packs issued to combat medics. We had a seminar at the gun range on how to use the large packs for gunshot wounds (God Forbid). My Wife picked this stuff up at (of all places) the .99 Cent Store, and it is actually made in the USA.

This thread reminded me of a great mini-emergency kit for pack, or coat pocket. It is called "Storm Kit", and is assembled by the Tacoma Mountain Rescue Unit. It contains matches, candle, sugar, salt, bullion, tea, wire, whistle, signal mirror, and plastic tube tarp, packed into an oversized Prince Albert can (tin can for you whippersnappers, who have never seen a PA can), which doubles as a vessel for boiling water. It has been a few years since I bought one, but it was under $10 at REI. We all carried these when we hunted Elk in Colorado, and had an ironclad pact that you never left camp without the storm kit, due to the nature of Colorado's weather.

HuntWYODon
08-23-2012, 11:48 AM
Don, the cauterizing agent that I carry is called "Wound Seal". It is a dry powder in individual packs for small wounds. The material is similar to the wound packs issued to combat medics. We had a seminar at the gun range on how to use the large packs for gunshot wounds (God Forbid). My Wife picked this stuff up at (of all places) the .99 Cent Store, and it is actually made in the USA.

This thread reminded me of a great mini-emergency kit for pack, or coat pocket. It is called "Storm Kit", and is assembled by the Tacoma Mountain Rescue Unit. It contains matches, candle, sugar, salt, bullion, tea, wire, whistle, signal mirror, and plastic tube tarp, packed into an oversized Prince Albert can (tin can for you whippersnappers, who have never seen a PA can), which doubles as a vessel for boiling water. It has been a few years since I bought one, but it was under $10 at REI. We all carried these when we hunted Elk in Colorado, and had an ironclad pact that you never left camp without the storm kit, due to the nature of Colorado's weather.

I learn so much from the older gent's on here. I have never seen or heard on the PA storm kit. I'd like to find one ! The cauterizing agent I use is a gel in a tube. I think powder would work better. There is an REI not far from me but I doubt if their yuppie ass's would carry it. I'll check. I'm more interested in finding the would packs at the 99 cent store ! There's one right by me. I have a story about cauterizing powder. I know, not another one... My best friend of almost 40 yrs. has a ranch. Was his Grandpa's back when this happened. We were always shooting ground squirrels with our bows. He always used Ziwicky broadheads. I used judo pts beacuse I didn't like losing my arrows. One day he shot at a squirrel and the arrow richochet and cut across one of the black angus cow's stomach ! It was gushing blood ! He ran back to the barn to get some cauterizing powder. While I tried to chase the cow into the holding pen. I was having a hell of a time and didn't have time to go saddle a horse and go after it. We thought the cow was going to bleed out and die and his granpa would kill us. He came back with powder and we both managed to get the cow in the holding pen and pack it with powder. I stopped the bleeding after a bit. His grandpa never found out. We were about 18 yrs. old. He shot judo points after that...

Sawfish
08-23-2012, 03:51 PM
The Storm Kit is in a Yellow tin with Black writing. I'll bet you can find one because it is unlikely there are more yuppies in San Diego, than in Tustin, which is where the OC REI has relocated! Right next to the Total Wines store. One stop shopping for all of your camping needs!

HuntWYODon
08-23-2012, 04:22 PM
The Storm Kit is in a Yellow tin with Black writing. I'll bet you can find one because it is unlikely there are more yuppies in San Diego, than in Tustin, which is where the OC REI has relocated! Right next to the Total Wines store. One stop shopping for all of your camping needs!
Maybe the only reasoon less yuppies would be more military presence ???
NorthT above had some good ideas. He's an EMT I know :)

HuntWYODon
08-23-2012, 04:31 PM
Another thing to consider taking is vasoline coated gauze if your in a sitiation and cant sew yourself or a large cut. You have about a 6-8hr window to close a wound, after that the chance of infection doubles greater even with cleaning/disinfection of a wound. Sutures are fine unless its a animal/human bite-leave open after cleaning. Superglue and tape are great. If you have a large wound, clean, rinse and cover with vasoline gauze to keep wound moisture and apply pressure dressing as needed. The xeroform(vasoline gauze) also doubles as a great fire starter if in a jam or wet conditions. Another great suggestion is coban. Its is like a ace wrap except one side is sticky like tape however will compress a wound better that standard gauze, but does not take its place due to low ability to absorb body liquid. Another quick fix is steri-strips, which in more or less like small supersticky strips of tape, place across the wound and pull the wound closed. This is the best alternative to sutures especially with a nasty (dirty) wound. And if you have a really good friend working in the medical field the stapler is the quickest way and will not come off with a staple remover ha.

Alcohol/betadine are best choice disinfect agents. Both are cheap. Betadine comes in small individual packets. alcohol comes on wipes and easliy stored. The quick clot stuff works ok but realize that it has to come off at some point. For large amount of bleeding elevate, pressure and dressing are ideal. Your belt can serve as a great touriqet.

If in a jam and have no access to gauze, newspaper is next best thing. About the cleanest thing you can buy- most newspaper is steamed with a alcohol based dye some the inside is basically sterile.

Hey North T !
I missed your post the first time. You sound like an EMT ! :) Some excellent advice and ideas. I always carry a bunch of alcohol wipes. I'd like to get my hands on some coban. I didn't have a problem sewing my knee up way back in 1993 but stapling would freak me out ! By the way, a week later when I got home from trip I took a shower and sat down and removed the stiches and the wound just popped right open like it was never sewn ! I think my X wife heard me scream, among other things. It never popped open once though while packing out two elk and falling down a lot. Fish line. I have fish hook needles now in case God forbid I fall of another cliff in the dark !

Sawfish
08-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Don, sorry but I gave you a bum steer on the woundcare at the 99 Cent Store. My wife got the Woundcare at CVS. She had been to the 99 cent store on the same trip (along with a few other places!) and I probably was not paying close enough attention to the "Saga of Shopping". Looks like the Hurricane missed JA. Leaving tonight at 10:45. Regards

hoshour
08-25-2012, 02:23 PM
I carry my first aid kit in the vehicle. The only thing I carrry with me for first aid is bandaids and sugerglue. Superglue will hold together a good cut. That's what it was originally made for.

I also carry survival items like fire starter, mirror, solar blanket, small diameter rope, waterproof matches and purification tablets.

I have thought many times of taking a small Israeli army bandage that stops heavy bleeding. They're pretty cheap, especially considering it's your life at stake if you cut an artery or happen to get shot.

HuntWYODon
08-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Don, sorry but I gave you a bum steer on the woundcare at the 99 Cent Store. My wife got the Woundcare at CVS. She had been to the 99 cent store on the same trip (along with a few other places!) and I probably was not paying close enough attention to the "Saga of Shopping". Looks like the Hurricane missed JA. Leaving tonight at 10:45. Regards

Hey Saw,
No problem. CVS is right around the corner from me. Across from the 99cent store ! I'm in CVS about every other day. I'll look for it. Thanks! Good news about the hurricane ! knock the crap out of those lionfish and have fun ! Look forward to hear about it .

mcseal2
08-25-2012, 03:21 PM
My full-time survival kit in my daypack has some medical items in it. Others like the fishing line and needle, bandana, etc can be used if needed. Anyway, here is my list.

Full-time daypack kit (1lb 11oz)
-stainless steel water bottle
-spare wool socks
-Adventure medical heatsheets bivy (the 3.8oz one)
-cheap mylar space blanket (mainly for a fire reflector)
-compass
-bandana (red for signal, pre-filter water etc)
-Mammut S-lite headlamp (1 AA lithium battery, 60hr life, 2oz) (this is part of the kit, and in addition to the bigger headlamp I count as hunting gear)
-Victorionox trekker knife (decent saw, 4" un-serrated blade, tools)
-whistle with thermometer & compass built in
-fire kit: firesteel, lighter, vaseline coated cotton balls, 4 wetfire cubes
-extra small firesteel
-50ft roll 2" duck tape
-small bottle superglue
-frontier water filter straw
-4 tabs potable aqua
-30yds 152lb bank line
-15yds 350lb bank line
-25ft bright yellow paracord
-blank CD (signalling)
-little bag with 12 45lb 18” leader snares & 30ft 25lb fishing line, 20ft 10lb fishing line, 12 hooks, repair/suture needle)
Medical: (stop bleeding, make splints)
-quick clot sponge
-1 roll hot pink vetwrap (bandaging with duck tape, marking trail, etc)
-small tube neosporin
-4 3"x3" gauze pads
-rubber glove
-6 pills immodium
-2 pills claritin
-1 packet sunscreen
-1 packet lip balm
-4 safety pins
-1 antiseptic towlette

mcseal2
08-25-2012, 03:26 PM
I also carry the following kit in my vehicle whenever I go on any kind of a trip or know I'm going to be doing something pretty dangerous around the ranch. It has items to care for both people and horses/cattle. The truck also has a store bought kit that stays in it year round. I figure the temperature extremes wouldn't be good on this bigger kit to leave it in the vehicle year round.

First aid kit for truck

Front pocket
-thermometer
-disposable scalpels (6)
-large heavy plastic straw
-rubber tournaquiet
-surgical scissors
-hemostat
-surgical tweezers
-curved surgical tweezers
-space blanket
-butane lighter
-dryer lint

Main pocket
-wilderness athlete hydrate & recover powder
-aleve (large bottle)
-Ace bandage + 4 safety pins
-Gauze pads (3”x3” quantity 10)
-gauze sponges (4x4 quantity 4)
-first aid & wilderness survival mini-book
-Benzalkonium antiseptic towlettes (quantity 9)
-Iodine prep pads medium (quantity 4)
-alcohol prep pads medium (quantity 2)
-athletic tape (3 rolls one 1” and two 2”)
-Iodine water tablets ( 1 bottle up to 25qts)
-Needle & 15ft of 10lb fishing line
-Wrap 1 roll self adhesive bandage
-Amoxycillian 1 bottle 19 capsules)
-bandages (standard and butterfly assorted sizes)
-calf suture kit
-corona ointment
-20 rubber gloves
-instant cold pack
-laxatives
-dental floss
-theraflu cold strips
-first aid quick guide book
-q-tips (8)
-2 tampons (gunshot or other major puncture wounds)
-hydrogen peroxide 4oz
-syringe wound irrigation (quantity 2)
-saline solution for wound irrigation (1 bottle)
-surgical scrub brush
-vetbond wound sealer (like superglue)
-Vetwrap 1 roll
-latex gloves (quantity 12)
-corona ointment
-coldpack (single use)
-quickclot (2 of a 3.5”x3.5” pad)
-horse first aid book
-antihistimine (benedryl)
-immodium
-tinactin (antifungal)
-carmex

HuntWYODon
08-25-2012, 03:45 PM
Holy crap mcseal2 ! Were your a medic in Seal Team 2 ???
I thought I carried a portible hospital ! I have everything your list in front pocket in my back pack kit except for thermometer, straw and dryer lint. I use other fire starter's, and a lot of your main pocket items. You gave me many ideas/items to add ...
Thanks for a xlnt post !

Old Hunter
08-25-2012, 08:22 PM
Wow! I just carry a couple of band aids.

I wouldn't know what to do with half of that stuff.

crumy
08-26-2012, 01:00 AM
I am terrible at this. I just carry gauze pads and wrap, emt shears, and superglue. The super glue works great on closing up wounds and you don't have to Rambo up to put stitches in yourself. The glue works nicely and does it leaves a nice clean scar as I can attest to as t cut y palm in Colorado hunting while sharpening a 150 snuffer. But I used to hunt with some sawyers (lumberjacks) and they had the food kits. Staplegun and a bunch of other stuff I guess that is one of those things I am gong to have to rethink after reading this thread.

NorthT
08-26-2012, 04:37 AM
Huntwyodon its hard to close(and keep closed) areas like knees, elbows, fingers because of the high mobility of your joints and the skin is typically tougher. Usually cuts and wounds are 7-10 days. Tougher areas can take up to 10-15 days if the area has time to rest, which during a hunt is not the best time. The best suture material is ethilon or vicryl. The stapler sounds worse but it is so much faster. Click click click done. plus dont have to worry about having to redo it. Im a RN in a busy er so ive seen and done alot of wounds to say the least ha. Check local medical supply stores, the will have most of the things you need, if you really lucky walgreens. Might need a good buddy at a hospital to get a stapler though. Or a good vet! I usually give the used ones to friends that run dogs-not for people ha. When their dogs get cut up by hogs, click click they are back in action.

mcseal2
08-26-2012, 07:42 AM
Holy crap mcseal2 ! Were your a medic in Seal Team 2 ???
I thought I carried a portible hospital ! I have everything your list in front pocket in my back pack kit except for thermometer, straw and dryer lint. I use other fire starter's, and a lot of your main pocket items. You gave me many ideas/items to add ...
Thanks for a xlnt post !

Thanks for the compliment.

Most of my hands on medical experience is from treating myself or animals around the ranch. My brother in law is a paramedic/emt as his civillian job, as well as in the national guard. I thought I had my kit pretty decent and then had him look it over and offer suggestions on what to add and teach me how to use it. He works 24hr shifts at his job and is often out at the ranch on days off, so chances are decent if the kit is needed he would be around to help use it. It can take 45 minutes to an hour for medical help to reach us IF they find us on the first try on our ranch so it is worth being prepared. As those of you who have bought pre-made first aid kits know they sound huge when you list them out like this. My postage scale shows my big truck kit weighing 4.5lbs and it fits in a bag about the size of a kids lunch box.

My kit for carrying on hunts isn't near as big. In my opinion bandaids are overrated as something to pack, you need alot of them to have the right size for the wound. Vet wrap weighs little and can be used to stop bleeding or make a makeshift splint with cut braces. On a mountain side heavy bleeding or a bad leg worry me most as far as injury. A roll of vet wrap 4" long by 5yds wide weights 1.4oz on my scale and it is available in bright colors like hot pink that can also be used for flagging/signaling if needed. I always carry a 2" wide by 50ft roll of duck tape that can be used with the vet wrap alone, or preferably with it and a gauze pad to bandage most wounds. My field kit sounds bigger than it is also, while typing this I weighed it. The medical part fits easily in a qt ziplock bag with lots of room to spare and weighs 4.9oz including the duck tape.

Might have to get one of those staplers, sounds like a good idea.

Old Hunter
08-26-2012, 08:27 AM
I guess i'm lucky, or very careful. Not sure which?

60 years of hunting and a minimum of 200 days a year scouting, and i've never even needed the bandaids.

wapiti66
08-26-2012, 10:18 AM
I keep my kit in a qt. sized ziplock also. Water purification tablets, a few different allergy and pain meds, ace wrap w/ velcro on one end for a sprain or to keep pressure on open wound or even to wrap around a splint. Space blanket, sanitary wipes for cleaning hands or wounds. I take my fletching glue to double as closing wounds and repairing vanes on my arrows both. Parachute chord, lighter, waterproof matches and a magnesium striker with a flint I picked up at a hunting expo in Denver for $10. I guess my biggest fear is cleaning my water and being able to start a fire no matter what to keep warm. My next priority is cleaning and closing up wounds to keep from infection. I should add the vaseline soaked cotton balls this year for sure.

HuntWYODon
08-26-2012, 01:51 PM
Wasn't trying to play Rambo. LOL! When I sewed my knee up in 1993. I didn't have crazy glue with me but the size of the wound it would of never worked. After sewn it would of been great . The cut went all the way around the bottom of my knee cap to the bone from the rocks I landed on. Probably 3.5 in. Long. My friends dad who was there was an Air Force flight surgeon . I took his advice that it was best to sew up because we were packed in so far. I was only one who had needle and thread . He instructed me on correct way to suture while I did it. I couldn't even feel it because my knee and bone were so bruised and hurt more. Next day my knee was so swollen and stiff I couldn't bend it but I hobbled back up the mtn and shot my bull in the a.m.. Some people chuckle at some of the first aid some of us on here carry or use. Well, some of us have learned from experiance or want to be prepared for it .best to be rather than not and learn the hard way . I've had a few other incidents that I was glad that I had at least basic first aid with me. Some from hunting buddy's that carried nothing. Some learned after . Some never do.
MCseal2 and others. Great posts and xlnt info. I think my pack kit is going to get heavier , lol !

HuntWYODon
08-26-2012, 01:59 PM
I guess i'm lucky, or very careful. Not sure which?

60 years of hunting and a minimum of 200 days a year scouting, and i've never even needed the bandaids.

Maybe both. I've never been that lucky but don't believe in luck. I try to be careful as possible especially when hunting alone. But accidents do and will happen. Hopefully when it does it's not serious to where you will need more than a bandsid. If it is and you are far from truck or help you could be fcked. To me, not worth the risk .

HuntWYODon
08-26-2012, 02:07 PM
Thanks for the compliment.

Most of my hands on medical experience is from treating myself or animals around the ranch. My brother in law is a paramedic/emt as his civillian job, as well as in the national guard. I thought I had my kit pretty decent and then had him look it over and offer suggestions on what to add and teach me how to use it. He works 24hr shifts at his job and is often out at the ranch on days off, so chances are decent if the kit is needed he would be around to help use it. It can take 45 minutes to an hour for medical help to reach us IF they find us on the first try on our ranch so it is worth being prepared. As those of you who have bought pre-made first aid kits know they sound huge when you list them out like this. My postage scale shows my big truck kit weighing 4.5lbs and it fits in a bag about the size of a kids lunch box.

My kit for carrying on hunts isn't near as big. In my opinion bandaids are overrated as something to pack, you need alot of them to have the right size for the wound. Vet wrap weighs little and can be used to stop bleeding or make a makeshift splint with cut braces. On a mountain side heavy bleeding or a bad leg worry me most as far as injury. A roll of vet wrap 4" long by 5yds wide weights 1.4oz on my scale and it is available in bright colors like hot pink that can also be used for flagging/signaling if needed. I always carry a 2" wide by 50ft roll of duck tape that can be used with the vet wrap alone, or preferably with it and a gauze pad to bandage most wounds. My field kit sounds bigger than it is also, while typing this I weighed it. The medical part fits easily in a qt ziplock bag with lots of room to spare and weighs 4.9oz including the duck tape.

Might have to get one of those staplers, sounds like a good idea.

MC,
You are a wise man to be prepared .
I got a lot of great ideas from your posts that will make my kits heavier ;) friends of mine always laugh at me for bringing extra or spare things with me but not so funny when they forget their bino's . Knife, ammo , release, whatever and ask to borrow mine.
Thanks again for great info and post !

tim
08-27-2012, 03:29 PM
I have widdled my first aid kit down to gauze and tape and some advil. that will pretty much cover 90% of what you are going to come accross.

mcseal2
08-28-2012, 08:31 PM
HuntWYODon, you're welcome, and I hope you never need any of it!

I'm sure not into hunting strictly for the exercise, I'm always trying to drop weight off my pack but not by compromising my emergency kit. If I find a lighter weight or more multi-purpose item I will switch it out and put my old version in the vehicle kit. I pack a little more emergency overnight kit than most also because if I find a big enough trophy deep enough in the backcountry I want the option of staying on him until dark and being there the next morning. With my kit plus the clothing and other items I pack I have that option, although if I think an overnighter is likely I will pack a better sleep system. With my minimum kit it won't be the most comfortable camp, but will be a survivable one. I've tested it down to freezing before comfortably. My Garmin Rhino and cell phone give me options to let my hunting partner know my plans also. It's hard to know where to draw the line between being prepared and being weighed down.

HuntWYODon
08-28-2012, 10:35 PM
HuntWYODon, you're welcome, and I hope you never need any of it!

I'm sure not into hunting strictly for the exercise, I'm always trying to drop weight off my pack but not by compromising my emergency kit. If I find a lighter weight or more multi-purpose item I will switch it out and put my old version in the vehicle kit. I pack a little more emergency overnight kit than most also because if I find a big enough trophy deep enough in the backcountry I want the option of staying on him until dark and being there the next morning. With my kit plus the clothing and other items I pack I have that option, although if I think an overnighter is likely I will pack a better sleep system. With my minimum kit it won't be the most comfortable camp, but will be a survivable one. I've tested it down to freezing before comfortably. My Garmin Rhino and cell phone give me options to let my hunting partner know my plans also. It's hard to know where to draw the line between being prepared and being weighed down.
mcseal2,
Good to meet somebody who thinks and plans like I do, you even more ! I got some great ideas from your list and am in the process of filling them before my next two deer hunts in Sept. and Nov. . Curious about what state you live in but you can PM me if not comfortable telling. I won't tell :) Good to hear from you again !

Old Hunter
08-29-2012, 06:41 PM
How does the super glue work? Do you hold the wound closed, and coat it with glue? It doesn't hurt anything to get it in the wound?

mcseal2
08-29-2012, 07:09 PM
How does the super glue work? Do you hold the wound closed, and coat it with glue? It doesn't hurt anything to get it in the wound?

Pretty much. Hold it shut as well and tight as possible and glue the edges. If you get it closed well enough to work not much gets inside.

Old Hunter
08-29-2012, 07:55 PM
Then leave it that way until it heals?

HuntWYODon
08-29-2012, 08:31 PM
Then leave it that way until it heals?
I keep applying it as needed. Usually once a day. The drier it is when you first apply it the better. The big slice I applied it to on my thumb 2 weeks ago stayed closed and healed up much quicker than just leaving it. Come on Old Hunter, just throw some in your bag !

Old Hunter
08-29-2012, 09:00 PM
I was going to. I just wanted to make sure I knew how to use it. I've used super glue a lot through the years, but never on myself.

HuntWYODon
08-29-2012, 09:13 PM
I was going to. I just wanted to make sure I knew how to use it. I've used super glue a lot through the years, but never on myself.

I've been a believer for about 15 yrs.. Some good surgical tape over it helps if your are going to be in the woods awhile longer. My thumb is still sore and numb but it never broke open again. :) Get the kind in a plastic bottle, not a tube. It wont dry up or puncture. :)

Old Hunter
08-29-2012, 09:21 PM
I have some already. I'll throw in in my pack.

jenbickel
08-29-2012, 09:58 PM
I'm definitely a big fan of super glue on cuts!! That's one thing I do always pack! Super glue and duct tape, you can pretty much fix anything. I like duct tape over blisters, makes you not even feel them. I like to bring pink zebra print duct tape though so a least while I'm patching up my blistered nasty heels, I feel a little pretty. Lol :)

HuntWYODon
08-29-2012, 10:53 PM
you following me around like a puupy dog ? LOL ! I bet you have never had a blister Princess hunter...;)
Relax, I know you have. Sleeping already...? Loser ! I won bet. :)

jenbickel
08-29-2012, 10:55 PM
you following me around like a puupy dog ? LOL ! I bet you have never had a blister Princess hunter...;)
Relax, I know you have. Sleeping already...? Loser ! I won bet. :)

You wish old man! Like I said, I can go all night. Lol

HuntWYODon
08-29-2012, 11:06 PM
You wish old man! Like I said, I can go all night. Lol
dammit woman ! go to bed so I can win !
doctor , doctor give me some cure , I got a bad case of ....

Old Hunter
08-30-2012, 08:33 AM
Duct tape on a blister? What happens when you pull off the tape?

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 08:37 AM
Duct tape on a blister? What happens when you pull off the tape?

Nothing usually... You just gotta pull it off fast! I've never had any problems with it doing anything.

Old Hunter
08-30-2012, 08:41 AM
I like your style. I bet you don't scream when you're scared?

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 08:44 AM
I like your style. I bet you don't scream when you're scared?

Lol nope, can't say that I have screamed from being scared since I was a little tyke. ;)

Old Hunter
08-30-2012, 08:52 AM
Good on you. I'm not surprised you like to hunt. I looked all my life for someone like that, and finally gave up and got a dog. :)

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 09:08 AM
Good on you. I'm not surprised you like to hunt. I looked all my life for someone like that, and finally gave up and got a dog. :)

Lol I don't blame you, dogs are better than women!

HuntWYODon
08-30-2012, 11:48 AM
Lol I don't blame you, dogs are better than women!
Good thing about dogs is the don't talk back. They are always happy to see you when you get home and don't get jealous when you pet another dog...
Kinda freaks me out a little the way you say that Jen...You have a dog ? :)

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 12:52 PM
You're horrible. Yes, I do have a dog. I have two... And I like them more than any man. They always want to go with me and they never whine.

Old Hunter
08-30-2012, 01:11 PM
We have a lot in common. I have a dog and love him more than any woman.

Except you sweety.

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 01:17 PM
We have a lot in common. I have a dog and love him more than any woman.

Except you sweety.

Hahahahaha!! This made me laugh :)

HuntWYODon
08-30-2012, 03:04 PM
You're horrible. Yes, I do have a dog. I have two... And I like them more than any man. They always want to go with me and they never whine.
I'm hurt Jen....:(
Sounds like some women I know that whine. I don't take them with me though. I just tell them to leave.

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 03:24 PM
I'm hurt Jen....:(
Sounds like some women I know that whine. I don't take them with me though. I just tell them to leave.


Why are you hurt dear best friend of mine?

HuntWYODon
08-30-2012, 04:55 PM
Why are you hurt dear best friend of mine?
Because you favor your dogs over me ...BFOM ! :)

Old Hunter
08-30-2012, 05:17 PM
I would too.

HuntWYODon
08-30-2012, 07:35 PM
I would too.
You don't count old dog. LOL !

jenbickel
08-30-2012, 07:43 PM
Lol you guys crack me up :)

win4me
08-31-2012, 01:33 AM
I would just add that quick clot is a good addition to any first aid kit.

HuntWYODon
09-01-2012, 09:08 PM
I looked at CVS, Waly Mart and Rite Aid today for the powdered type Sawfish found at CVS. I couldn't find it. I have the gel in the tube. I've used it on dog and my monitor's lizard's claws if I cut too close. Works good but for human's I can see how the powder would be better.

racheljoely
11-14-2012, 11:35 PM
There are many items to be carried in the first aid kid when ever necessary. An Emergency blanket or bag is a must have in any out bag, better choose an elemental emergency blanket is compact and light weight and made from aluminised An emergency blanket or bag is a must have in any outback survival kit for creating the warm atmosphere and some items which usually the first aid kit contains.

HuntWYODon
11-23-2012, 07:49 PM
I carry one in my pack all the time. I actually used one many yrs ago. The condensation got me wet and I got colder. I got up at 3 am and hiked out to stay warm.

Old Hunter
11-24-2012, 09:03 AM
Well, now that i'm retired from hunting my record stands. I went 61 years of hunting every year, and never carried more than some band-aids. The best part is I never even used those.

Lucky, or careful?

HuntWYODon
11-26-2012, 11:50 AM
Maybe both.
Wish we all could be that way....

SCREAMINREELS
11-29-2012, 10:27 PM
my little kits basic few alcohol swabs, 1 pack bedadine swabs, , few feet transpore tape,few feet duct tape, small sealed sterile gauzepack , small abd pad, steristrips. hemostats, scissors, small scalpel all thrown in one sterilized bag. individual motrin, benadryl and pepto. small dermabond pen, small stapler, small suture kit. this all fits in a small ziplock.

my truck has an extensive kit of stuff. everything from iv for dehydratin, large staple kit, lidoacaine, ace wraps, finger splints, meds, etc. . ive used glue ans staples a few times, sutures once , benadryl came in handy on a snake bite. the iv is for dehydration mainly for my dog. its hot where i live and a long weekend in the field can turn bad if not monitored. never had to use it but have talked to people whose dog had died. by the time they saw signs it was too late id rather have too much in the truck and not need it, doesnt take up much room