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Gperkins21
09-22-2012, 09:35 PM
Looking to by some new clothing! willing to spend the money! Im looking at sitka and kuiu. any insight?

Futboler
09-22-2012, 11:00 PM
I went with Kuiu...the only problem is they are a little backed up at the moment so you might not get gear for a hunt this year. First Lite is also excellent, merino Kanab pants included.

Shaun
09-23-2012, 08:19 AM
Got them both you can't go wrong with either

Caseyu
09-23-2012, 01:14 PM
I run sigma. It has performed very well and I 100% trust the gear. I really like the kuiu as well but they definitely need to up the production if they want happy customers. Both are great companies. Don't count out kryptek. Just to throw some more at you. Best of luck. You won't be dissapointed with any of them

Caseyu
09-23-2012, 01:15 PM
Sitka* sorry

BOHNTR
09-23-2012, 01:42 PM
I have both.....I prefer Kuiu

Grantbvfd
09-23-2012, 03:17 PM
KUIU definitely

Drhorsepower
09-23-2012, 04:17 PM
I have kuiu, I really like their stuff, I can't speak for Sitka but if you don't have any major hunts lined up and can wait a while, kuiu is cheaper and quality stuff. You will not be disappointed.

Maxhunter
09-23-2012, 07:52 PM
I also have both and prefer Kuiu. I've used them both in Alaska and BC in late September & October in some terrible weather hunting brown bear, goats, and sheep. Kuiu is the way to go IMO.

264winmag
09-23-2012, 08:32 PM
Went through the same thing last year and I went with ASAT and I have been very happy with it, I got the extreme weather and it is really warm in the late season, it replaced the wool that I used to wear, and it is alot cheaper than Kuiu or Sitka check them out.

264winmag
09-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Also picked up a set for early season this year.

bigshot
09-23-2012, 11:59 PM
I purchased sitka gear and really like it so far. Its very comfortable and light weight. Also, the removable knee pads in my Mountain pants. were a big plus, while hunting antelope in wyoming. The ground was full of cactus!!!

labman
09-24-2012, 08:05 AM
I just got back from my first backcountry elk hunt (8 days) and I have the Russell APX and loved it worked great. My brother has Sitka and there was not a lot of difference.

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-15-2012, 01:04 AM
Kuiu for sure. Great service, Great people, Awesome product. I think I have one piece of each and hunted in them. Let me know if you have any questions.

ivorytip
12-15-2012, 06:49 AM
plus 20 on the russle apx!

Fink
12-15-2012, 07:47 AM
Blue jeans and a red flannel shirt!



Or Sitka, I'm pretty pleased with my stuff. Core4 is good too, and much cheaper.

Umpqua Hunter
12-15-2012, 10:14 AM
Probably the best "new" piece of hunting clothing I have found in the past few years are the stretch fabric pants. The first one's I got were Arcteryx Gamma LT's. I used these on my solo back pack Wyoming sheep hunt in 2009. While packing my ram out, I got into some nasty blowdown timber I was crawling on, under and over, and those pants were amazing. I would have shredded normal pants.

My latest are the Kuiu Attack pants. The fabric is a bit more substantial and they come in camo. The fabric seems to be great at naturally repelling water, so much so that I haven't had to use rain pants yet, though I haven't been in a down pour. The only "problem" I have had, and I wouldn't really call it a problem, was that I tore the rear pocket out a bit after sliding down a rock slide on my butt for 200 yards on my wife's sheep hunt this year. Nothing would have survived that unscathed though. Those are going in for repairs. I like those so much I ordered two more pairs on their recent sale a few weeks ago.

ivorytip
12-15-2012, 03:26 PM
for you sitka guys.... i havent tried it out yet but i have a hard time throwing that kind of cash down for something you know they are making mad profits on. are they worth it? compared to say russle and some of the cheaper brands, or is it a nike and coverse thing? ive been looking for a pair to try off ebay but still wanting to much cash from this tight wad. ha my pants no are the apx but they are the girls large size that were 50 bucks off. fit perfect. cammo is cammo. that sitka wool that much diff? serious question, ive looked into it but havent been talked into it just yet.

Fink
12-15-2012, 04:37 PM
I'd never pay retail for it, but I seem to be able to get pretty darn good prices on Camofire, provided you don't have to have the newest camo pattern. The 90% line is really awesome. The pant is probably a little heavy for the majority of your September hunting, unless it was never getting above 65-70 or so. But they are very wind proof, and don't snag on much. And, they are extremely comfortable.
The base layers aren't worth the cost, just buy Smartwool or something equivilant, and save some coin.
The Stratus line is nice for more of the Eastern hunter, I'm not sure I'd ever wear it out West.
The rain gear is FOR REAL. Best rain gear I've ever owned, and I've had a few pretty nice sets of rain gear.

Edelweiss
12-15-2012, 05:19 PM
I don't like either one. I have a few pieces from both.

At the end of the day, their wet weather stuff isn't good enough for Alaska. And it's too synthetic and uncomfortable for hunting dryland cold weather for me.

I prefer wool for cold and dry or slightly damp.

Or real wet-weather gear like Helly Hanson or Grundens for Alaska's rain.

And I have mountaineering clothing for real high altitude exploits.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-15-2012, 05:54 PM
I much prefer all of my Kuiu clothing pieces to my Sitka stuff. I own plenty of both. The Kuiu attack pants and guide vest are my favorites. I took both to Alaska, along with my REI Kimtah eVent jacket, and all performed admirably.

The Kuiu rain gear is made of an air-permeable membrane fabric, much like eVent, and should breath notably better than anything GoreTex. Several people I trust report great performance from Kuiu raingear. Goretex does not breath, in my experience, and I have tried a bunch of it.

As for comfort, I am curious as to what Kuiu pieces Edelweiss has because comfort is off the charts on the ones I have.



I do really like my Sitka guide gloves and Ascent pants (I have three pairs of those), but the Kuiu Attack is superior in every way to Ascent.

slim jim
12-15-2012, 06:12 PM
Man you must be well off BB. You have all the best optics, clothing, gear, etc. and not just one of everything but multiple pieces. Haha Im just envious. I think that I'll just start asking you for advise whenever I get ready to purchase anything. Actually I plan on buying the new vortex razor 65mm spotting scope when it comes out. I'll start a new thread and see what you think when they come out.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-15-2012, 06:48 PM
Man you must be well off BB. You have all the best optics, clothing, gear, etc.

SJ,

You bet I am rich! Rich in life, love, and happiness that is. Wish I could say the same for the bank account!

No, a lot of horse trading led to my current gear list, and I was lucky to find a bunch if good deals too. I look forward to hearing about the Razor 65. I hope to get my hands on one too.

BOHNTR
12-15-2012, 08:25 PM
I have both and I'd have to agree with BB......Kuiu is what I wear more often than my Sitka stuff. Good quality stuff.

Edelweiss
12-16-2012, 02:04 AM
I am a fat kid, 6 feet tall and 240-260 pounds depending on what time of year it is. Saying that I have a couple things I don't like about it.

1. Made in China, and still expensive.

2. I don't like the sizing, but like I said I am a fatty.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-16-2012, 07:48 AM
Edelweiss,

What pieces from Sitka and Kuiu do you have?

How did the raingear fail for you in AK?

What and when were you hunting in AK? I can't wait to go back myself!

Edelweiss
12-16-2012, 04:28 PM
BB,

I did a couple aircraft salvage trips to Adak in 2004-2008. I haven't actually used the Kuiu pants I have in Alaska, I have used the Sitka. I only have pants and hats.

I lived in Barrow, Alaska until 2000 and then Sitka, Alaska for about 5 months going to the State Trooper Academy. (I was a NSB Officer) I wasn't a resident until I had a year there, so I never paid out of state money to hunt. Went on hunts with cops I worked with but nor for myself, and at the time I used North Face gore-tex stuff and Northern Outfitters cold weather gear.

Should have stayed long enough to hunt polar bears with the one native cop that worked for the department, I think that would have been fantastic.

I have used the Kuiu pants in Victoria and didn't feel they were any better/worse than the Schoeller fabric stuff I have that is made in America, or the mountain of Gore-Tex that I have gathered through the years. Alaska rain is different.

The Kuiu's I bought second hand on ebay Australia from someone that had used them in New Zealand.

In Victoria I got wet in the Kuiu's hunting sambar. Victoria has SE Alaska/Alaska Penninsula type weather, I changed clothes 3 times in 8 hours, got back in the truck and drove home. Some times you can have enough rain.

The Penninsula and SE Alaska have rain that makes Washington and Oregon look rather like the deserts of Wyoming. Nothing but actual marine grade rain gear works. A lot of guys wear a Helly Hanson or Grunden rain coat and chest waders it's so bad. We didn't have that option, we got wet and stayed wet for several weeks. We had some crappy commercial rubber rain gear that we used to wash aircraft and we all wore that over wool and polar fleece. It kind of worked. The Sitka was overwealmed in an hour.

Move to Alaska, lots of good oppertunity for folks in your line of work. Send me a PM if you want my experience with a badge up there. Different than being a cop on the res in Wyoming or Montana.

DryFlyGuy
12-16-2012, 06:23 PM
I have a pretty substantial catalog of Sitka gear and I love it. I've had a few issues with a seam unraveling, a buckle breaking on a pack, and a strap stitch starting to tear away. All of those issues were handled in a manner that left me very satisfied with customer service. I love the athletic fit, the flexibility, and the technical features that are tailor made for our western back country hunts. Sitka was definitely pioneering this market for several years.

Now the market is filling up with competitors and I think that is great! KUIU is right at the top of those competitors. As they are starting to mature, they are dealing with a lot of the same issues that Sitka has been through. They have had serious productions problems that have caused long delays. They are no longer made in North America and they are experiencing those same quality issues that Sitka has dealt with over in China. I won't be surprised if their price point moves closer & closer to the Sitka stuff.

Either company puts out really good stuff. I like the products from Gore that Sitka incorporates into their garments and the broader catalog of products.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-16-2012, 08:21 PM
Edelweiss,

I am not looking for work right now, thanks. While I do love Alaska, I love my wife more, and she doesn't love Alaska.

Which model of Kuiu pant do you have? I am pretty sure Alaska-weather performance was one of the design goals.

The OP was asking about Sitka and Kuiu. I prefer Kuiu, and have used them both. I would never recommend rain gear that doesn't breath well to an active backcountry hunter. Waterproof clothing does no good if you are still generating your own rain on the inside.

Helly Hanson "marine grade" rainwear is too heavy and doesn't breath.

I like some other rainwear, and especially eVent fabric rainwear because it breathes remarkably well.

Drhorsepower
12-16-2012, 09:10 PM
I own or have owned both, they are very similar besides price tag. I originally bought all kuiu hoping to support a striving company. I ended up selling most of my kuiu gear to fund my sitka addiction. The only reason I decided to make the switch was i originally pre-ordered all of my KUIU items last May. They told me over the phone that my attack pants would be in by my first hunt (August). I did not have them by that time. My second hunt came around,(october) still in communication with KUIU and having them tell me 3 weeks to next month. The emails and phone calls got more frequent as I was getting impatient on my pants. The answers varied by phone call with less and less hope each time that my pants would be here by my buddies late december hunt and my January hunt. When I cancelled my preorder, they told me my pants were were looking to be shipped sometime in December. I looked at their site today and they are still backordered. The whole situation rubbed me the wrong way. Preordering items and still not having it in 7-8 months just isn't acceptable. I also had to pay separate shipping on all preordered items from a 20$ item to 100$ item and all that adds up on multiple pieces. I will say I thought the KUIU items I own were very nice and would recommend to people. for me It boiled down to having my items and KUIU couldn't provide that for me.

As far as SITKA goes, quality gear with a wide range of selection for different needs. I am always prowling their site looking for my next item.

slim jim
12-16-2012, 09:47 PM
Dr.
I'm with you on the Sitka. I was at sportsmans warehouse today trying on a lot of their items and love their athletic fit and how they stretch. Very high quality gear. I will be all Sitka'd out for next season with first lite underneath

Edelweiss
12-17-2012, 12:02 AM
BB,

You say that, but spend some time in South East or on the Penninsula/Aleutians.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-17-2012, 08:57 AM
BB,

You say that, but spend some time in South East or on the Penninsula/Aleutians.

I do not believe the rain is magic in AK. The Aleutians get about 80 inches a year while Tillamook, OR gets 90.

Still, in either of those areas special rainwear may be a good thing to look for.


Looking to by some new clothing! willing to spend the money! Im looking at sitka and kuiu. any insight?

However, this the OP. He lives in Boise, ID. I think wearing HH marine gear around there would be abismal, and is poor advice.

I think Kuiu or Sitka would be a great choice for him. I like Kuiu better as a product, but know also that DrH's experiences with supply are not isolated.

llp
12-17-2012, 12:19 PM
Kuiu is a superior product to Sitka, and it cost less as well. The main drawback is not having it available in every retail outlet and periodic back order delays. This is a direct result of the lower price. If you want it all available on the shelf everywhere you go, you have to pay the higher retail prices.
I am happy with planning ahead and saving about 30-40% over Sitka, and getting a better product. I leave my Sitka home now and wear Kuiu. The Kuiu Guide jacket is lighter in weight than the Sitka jacket, and just as warm.

In the constant rain of SE Alasak, the Healy Hansen Impertec is a great lightweight rain gear. The Kuiu rain gear is great, but anything that breathes will never be as waterproof as a solid "rubberized" fabric. Ditto for Sitka rain gear. You can either be damp inside from the "plastic" rain gear, or eventually a bit damp from wearing a breathable fabric. Either way, after multiple days in constant rain you will at least be a bit damp on the inside... Change clothes often, and dry clothes out by a fire (in a cabin, preferably) and you will be fine, but it is very hard to stay dry indefinitely in constant rain anywhere.
llp

Grizz
12-17-2012, 01:16 PM
I have to agree with Eidlewiess on the fit of both lines of gear. It is made for an athletic fit and I am built more along the lines of, well let us call it short and stocky. I'm 5'11 and currently weigh 235. I wear 34" jeans and a 48 suit coat.... If I want to layer a KUIU or Sitka garment over my First Lite or KUIU Merino core shirt I have to buy the XXL and then things get tunic looking in a hurry. As for the pants? It is a good thing they stretch because the legs are made for dudes who run marathons not deadlift pickups. Oh well, I do like the gear and will continue to buy each brand. However, upon using both companies rain gear... I have sold it all and purchased the much cheaper and quieter Russel L5 Cyclone series.

Hunt Hard AND smart brothers and sisters.

Montana
12-17-2012, 02:25 PM
I am going to go with Kuiu as well having owned both. I will say this and you have to find your own value. You can pretty much count on not ever being able to buy Kuiu gear when you need it. It took me 6/7 months to get all the gear I needed, which really bothered me, as you can tell. So for that I have not decided to make Kuiu my main gear line. Sitka is awesome and you can find it very reasonable if you carry the same patience as Kuiu.

I only use either for archery season as when rifle rolls around i mainly use climbing gear for the superior performance products (not needing the camo pattern). Mountain Hardware, Patagonia, Rab etc... High quality, light weight cold weather stuff.

John G
01-15-2013, 02:15 PM
Minus33 has 100% merino wool in 3-4 5 and 6 x and it every bet as good as anything in the market