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Colorado Cowboy
10-04-2012, 09:36 AM
Just returned from an Antelope hunt in wyoming and am looking for anyone else who has used these bullets. They really shoot great on paper in my 25-06 and .257 Wby Mag, with the right load, less than minute of angle. In my .25-06 I used 100 grainers and in the Wby 115s. The bullets just exploded on impact, really made a mess of the meat. Went back to my Sierra 117 gr boattails and got great expansion like I always do one my last antelope. I guess these Noslers are really not designed for hunting. They were given to me and they shot great groups, but are really nasty for hunting! Guess I'll shoot up what I have left at the range. Won't use them again on deer or antelope

mcseal2
10-04-2012, 11:38 AM
I've seen similar results from a neighbor's 25-06 and 257wby. He switched to the 110 accubond and loves it. I'm also a fan of the Sierra you are using especially from the 257. If you want to try something new however, the 110 accubond would perform very well for you. It won't overexpand but will expand very quickly on impact and then drive on through creating a good wound channel. The few we have recovered in other calibers weighed very close to 70% of their original weight and were mushroomed beautifully.

I think the 100BT does well from smaller cases like the 257 Roberts or 250 Savage with lower velocities, or at long range from the bigger cases. It just doesn't seem to be able to take the stress the velocity of the bigger cases puts on it at close to normal range. Reading online reviews you can find people saying that the Sierra's will blow up also, but I haven't personally seen one fail. I think the key to the Sierra is sticking to at least a mid-weight bullet for the caliber so Sierra designs the jacket to handle the biggest game that bullet is likely to encounter. The nice thing about the bonded bullets like the accubond is that you can go lighter if you want and still be assured of good penetration.

bern0134
10-04-2012, 11:57 AM
You ever think about using Barnes Triple Shocks for your 257 WBY? We use them out of my dad's and they work great. Killed my biggest mulie and biggest elk to date with it. Recovered the bullet from both. I don't know how well they do for long range though. Both shots were less than 200 yards.

Colorado Cowboy
10-04-2012, 12:58 PM
The buck antelope I shot was a one shot kill at 371 yds in the 25-06 and one of the does was 295 with the .25 Wby, one shot too. The MV in the 25-06 with the 100 gr is 3200 and the 115 in the Wby is 3350. At the long ranges I shot the animals at, I really didn't expect the BT to explode like it did. I have used Sierras fo 50 years and they are great bullets, use them for everything except in my .300 Wby where I use 180 gr Nosler Partitions for elk & larger animals.

Bitterroot Bulls
10-04-2012, 02:00 PM
CC,

Since their design profiles are virtually identical, you should be able to closely duplicate your excellent ballistic tip loads with the sister Accubond bullets, and get both the accuracy and terminal performance you are looking for.

woodtick
10-04-2012, 02:27 PM
The Ballistic tip is a great antelope bullet, the problem is velocity, I don't know if anyone has brought it up yet. But I jump up to the Accubond if the muzzle velocity is 3100 fps or higher. I have shot hundreds if not thousands of both the BT and the Accu's into test media, milk jugs full of water, milk jugs full of sand, etc.. just to see how well they hold up from 50 to 500+ yards. I've love each bullet but I tend to lean towards the accubond unless like I said slower muzzle velocity's. So in conclusion to my findings above if your impact velocity is somewhere around 2500 fps or slower they'd be great, anything else I switch to the Accubond.

If you look at Nosler's webpage you'll see mushroomed bullets with different velocity's next to them, those are fired into test media, not bone or thick hide. So I can see why you had explosions, those speeds will demolish a BT even at the ranges stated

http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/Ballistic-Tip.aspx

Just my 2 cents, happy hunting or shooting whatever it may be;)

Booner
10-04-2012, 07:55 PM
Not sure what to say, I've used that bullet for several years in my 25-06 with good results. Never had one blow up. Have always had good penetration. They are traveling at 3225 fps. at the muzzle.

Chippy Hacky
10-04-2012, 09:29 PM
BT's are all I use in .284. Deer, Elk, Bear, never had a problem with them.

larrylur
10-04-2012, 10:44 PM
I use the Nosler ballistic tip exclusively in my Winchester .270 for deer and antelope. I load 130 gr. bullets over the top of H4831 and my groups are less than an inch off the bench.

I load to about 3000 ft. Per sec. at the muzzle and I do notice the bullets come apart if my target is inside 50 yards. And that has happened before.

But,.....

#1 ) I'm so confident in the accuracy of that bullet in my rifle that I feel like I will make a clean kill every time I squeeze one off with a good rest. Even at long range.

#2) Every time, it has been a one shot kill and I have not lost any more meat than when I've used Barnes bullets or Sierra boat tails. Even when the jacket and bullet separate.

When my target is 100 yards +, the bullet usually will pass through intact like most other bullets. I love them just because I know they put deer on the ground and they will hit where I want them to. Confidence is everything.

AKaviator
10-04-2012, 11:32 PM
Larrylur is right; confidence is everything. I've used the Nosler partition quite a bit and don't stray far from that design. My son took his first moose with a 100gr in his .243 for a clean 1 shot kill (not a bad first animal for a 10 year old!) I've dropped a mature boar grizzly with a 180gr .300 Weatherby.
Many of the guides I know up here like the Swift A-frame but I haven't taken game with them yet. I haven't had good results with the Barnes Triple Shocks although I have a bunch of them loaded up for my .25-284. I'm anxious to try them on a caribou.
It seems many favor the ballistic tips...that gives me a good excuse to load some up.

bigshot
10-05-2012, 12:12 AM
Just returned from an Antelope hunt in wyoming and am looking for anyone else who has used these bullets. They really shoot great on paper in my 25-06 and .257 Wby Mag, with the right load, less than minute of angle. In my .25-06 I used 100 grainers and in the Wby 115s. The bullets just exploded on impact, really made a mess of the meat. Went back to my Sierra 117 gr boattails and got great expansion like I always do one my last antelope. I guess these Noslers are really not designed for hunting. They were given to me and they shot great groups, but are really nasty for hunting! Guess I'll shoot up what I have left at the range. Won't use them again on deer or antelope

Hey CC, thats why I use Accubonds, they hold better at higher velocities and dont make a mess of the animals. I shot my goat with a 7mm saum, 160 grain Accubond traveling 2975 fps. My buddy shot his goat with a 25-06, 110 grain Accubond traveling 3200 fps. My goat was quartering towards me, when the bullet hit him in the right shoulder at 425 yards. The bullet went through and exited just behind the shoulder on the opposite side. The entrance hole is the diameter of the bullet. The exit hole is about the size of a half dollar. It destroyed the left shoulder and lungs. Upon being hit, the buck rear up like a stallion, fell backwards and dropped in its tracks.

My buddies buck was shot at 167 yards (25-06). The bullet entered on the left side of the neck just behind the cheek bone and exited the other side of the neck. The entrance hole was the same size as the diameter of the bullet. The exit hole was about the size of a quarter. The bullet destroyed the vertebrae. The buck dropped in its tracks. By the way, how about a picture of your goat and rifle.

TooFarEast
10-05-2012, 08:34 AM
I have used ballistic tip 165 grain in my 30-06 for whitetails. As far as accuracy and taking down game they have performed flawlessly, however the meat is tore up to the point were there is very little salvagable meat from the shoulders. I shot a whitetail doe once in the shoulder and it appeared the front shoulders were the only area that had damaged meat. While butchering the deer i found a tiny piece of bright green plastic just under the skin on the deer ham which appeared to be in perfect condition. The only thing i could figure is that it was a piece of the ballistic tip and the bullet must have exploded. I have no idea how a piece of the tip ended up in the ham but this scared me away from ballistic tips. I am more of a meat hunter and dont feel like I can ethically shoot an animal with these bullets due to the loss of meat.

Colorado Cowboy
10-05-2012, 01:27 PM
Here is the buck. Bullet went into left shoulder and fragments exited right side. Range was 371 yards.

Jeremy
10-05-2012, 01:52 PM
I used to use B-tips and never had a problem with them but know people that have. I now use the Berger VLD 180 grainin both 7 mag & 300 mag and have for about 6 years. I have killed several elk, mulies, whitetails, a couple of aoudad and an oryx with the VLD. They were at ranges of 30 yards to 500 yards all were lethal. They hit like a hammer and I would recommend to anyone.

Old Hunter
10-05-2012, 04:19 PM
When I talked to Nosler. They said the Accubond was a bonded Ballistic Tip. I see no reason to use the BT.

bigshot
10-05-2012, 10:21 PM
Good looking goat CC, congrats.

xtreme
10-05-2012, 10:51 PM
Same as Jemery except I use 168gr Berger VLd in 7mm. This bullet drops the animals where they stand but there is meat damage, I only shoot behind the shoulder so damage is mostly confined to ribcage. Almost every advantage comes with this bullet, great BC, good accuarcy, very lethal. I had my grandson shoot his bear with it because I wanted the bear to drop and that is what he did.
There are times I might shoot a ballistic tip. I did shoot a large Neberaska whitetail buck with my wssm 243 55gr ballistic tip. There was an exit wound and the deer went about 75 yds, so I think most bullets now days are capable of doing the job I think shooting deer,and antelope ballistic tip works fine, small entrance and small exit. The Berger does not usually leave an exit hole. All I am loading for the 7mm is Berger. I need to keep it simple as I can.

Colorado Cowboy
10-06-2012, 10:21 PM
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Finally got the picture of the entry of the bullet on the doe. Really wiped out the shoulder.

1100 Remington Man
10-07-2012, 08:56 AM
My go to Bullet in .264 Win Mag is 120gr BT loaded to 3225 FPS. Performance on Antelope has been perfect. Just know when shooting inside 50 yds shoot behind shoulder. I plan on hunting Mule Deer with it this fall & most shots where we hunt start beyond 150 yds & with this bullet I still have enough energy to shoot to 700 yds. Buy the way the BT is a Deer & Sheep bullet buy design.

6mm Remington
10-07-2012, 11:25 AM
Here is an Accubond, a Partition, and an E-tip all from Nosler out of a 6mm Remington at 400 yards.

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab134/davidwalrod/400500yardsAccubonds063.jpg

Here is close up at 25 yards. These were recovered in gallon plastic water jugs. It does give a good test for the bullets I feel, it's inexpensive, and a lot of fun. I like all three of these bullets a lot. Not so much for the Ballistic Tips. They build them a lot differently when they first came out, and I had a bad experience with them then. I still would prefer the Accubond, Partition, or the E-tip over the BT any day.

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab134/davidwalrod/6mmBullettesting006.jpg

E-tip at 25, 100, and 300 yards from a 6mm Remington.

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab134/davidwalrod/Bullettests-5-4-12021.jpg

Old Hunter
10-07-2012, 12:35 PM
E-Tip looks pretty good, but my heart is with the Partition. I've used it since I started hunting with no failures.

6mm Remington
10-07-2012, 12:59 PM
I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. I like them all. Becoming a big fan of the Accubond though. Now my son Jeff uses the E-tip in his 6mm Remington and two years ago he got a nice big cow elk with one shot at 350 yards with it. The bullet did a really good job. Hard to go wrong with those three Noslers.
David

canvsbk
10-07-2012, 02:01 PM
I've taken around 3 dozen white tails with the 165 BT in .30-06. No issues, ever. That being said I shoot Accubonds in my .25-06 for pronghorns. My choice for elk is also Accubonds. Put it in the right spot....no issues, ever.

sjsmallfield
10-07-2012, 05:16 PM
Congrats on your succesful hunt CC. I shot a blacktail here in CA about ten years ago with my 30-06 at 80yds. He was quartering to me and I hit him just in front of his right shoulder with a BT. The bullet exited on his left shoulder. I could have stuck a softball in the exit hole. It was the most dammage I have ever had on a buck. Pretty much lost the whole front end.

Colorado Cowboy
10-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Pretty much lost the whole front end.

Yep. These BT's were with the .257 Wby when I bought it and they shot really good groups in my .25-06, so I decided to use them. Mistake. I am going to pull all the bullets and set up my regular Sierras instead.

Sawfish
10-08-2012, 03:10 PM
Congrats on your succesful hunt CC. I shot a blacktail here in CA about ten years ago with my 30-06 at 80yds. He was quartering to me and I hit him just in front of his right shoulder with a BT. The bullet exited on his left shoulder. I could have stuck a softball in the exit hole. It was the most dammage I have ever had on a buck. Pretty much lost the whole front end.

I had the same result on a Colorado Muley some twenty years ago. I was using the 165 gr BT in a 30/06. The buck was moving away fast, and my only option was a Texas Heart Shot. The hind quarters looked like you stuck a stick of dynamite up his butt, and touched it off. I vowed never to use another BT on game. However, Nosler re-engineered the BT line shortly after my experience, due to the many complaints about destructive performance on game. The new crop of BT bullets offer a more conservative expansion profile, but IMHO they are still pretty soft for high velocity shooting. Hard to beat the Partition or the old Speer Grand Slam for game bullets.

Old Hunter
10-08-2012, 04:45 PM
Not shooting animals in the azz might be a good idea too.

Bitterroot Bulls
10-08-2012, 08:15 PM
While in Alaska, I shot my bull three times with a 7mm Remington Magnum and 160 grain accubonds over Retumbo. The first shot center punched the lungs broadside. The second shot was a high-shoulder shot that broke both scapulas. The third shot was a double-lung shot mildy quartering. All three bullets penetrated to the off-side hide, where they were recovered.

I collected the bullets and cleaned them the best I could of hide, fat, meat and debris. These are the results:

The three bullets:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95/mcashell/shooting/DSC04544.jpg

The first broadside shot retained the most weight (63.5%):

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95/mcashell/shooting/DSC04546.jpg

The second shot encountered the most resistance by penetrating both scapulas, and not surprisingly retained the least amount (55.6%):

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95/mcashell/shooting/DSC04548.jpg

The last shot was very similar to the first (61.4%):

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95/mcashell/shooting/DSC04547.jpg

Overall, I think the 7mm Accubonds performed as designed, and performed very well. The internal damage to the lung tissue was extensive. I am confident that shot #1 was all that was needed, but I have always been a "shoot em 'til they're down" guy.

I have recovered quite a few different accubonds from different critters, and the consistency of performance is very good.

6mm Remington
10-08-2012, 09:08 PM
Nice job BB. Looks to me the Accubonds performed superbly. A huge bull moose is a lot of animal to go through so the penetration, weight retention, and overall performance look superb to me. Congratulations on the moose by the way.

Muleys 24/7
10-08-2012, 11:03 PM
Ton of good info on this thread, I was going to start loading the nosler BT, but I think I'm going to go the E-tip or AB now

Sawfish
10-09-2012, 02:12 PM
Not shooting animals in the azz might be a good idea too.

Agreed, but sometimes you have to accept what is offered.

Old Hunter
10-10-2012, 09:55 AM
Nothing wrong with passing up a shot. I do it 10 times more than I do taking a shot.

Colorado Cowboy
10-10-2012, 12:06 PM
Nothing wrong with passing up a shot. I do it 10 times more than I do taking a shot.

One of the biggest buck I have ever seen only presented only an azz shot as after I jumped him out of his bed. I passed on the shot as I would have ruined a lot of premium eating. He was 30"+ and I am sure would have scored close to 200. He lived to pass on his genes as I just couldn't do it!

Shane13
12-27-2012, 05:20 PM
In defense of Texans..... I've lived and hunted in Texas all of my life. I never heard of the "Texas heart shot" until the internet allowed me to interact with folks from faraway lands. Everybody I know passes when a butt is all they have to shoot at. Seems like it should be named "Yankee heart shot" or "California heart shot" or something more descriptive of the locale of its use and origin. :D

dying to kill
12-27-2012, 07:15 PM
good call on that one . Im my younger days i thought my bullets and arrows were deadly no matter were they entered the body at, needless to say i lost several animals, now days i only take good vital shots and havent lost a animal in over 3 years
One of the biggest buck I have ever seen only presented only an azz shot as after I jumped him out of his bed. I passed on the shot as I would have ruined a lot of premium eating. He was 30"+ and I am sure would have scored close to 200. He lived to pass on his genes as I just couldn't do it!

1100 Remington Man
01-07-2013, 04:52 PM
Well another Mule Deer fell to Noslers BT. I have nothing but good things to say about them Quality bullet just use them at the recommend velocity on there web site. I'm pushing a 264 Win Mag 120 gr.BT at 3225 FPS like I said before one shot one Deer again this fall shot between 200 & 250 just a point and shoot no rangeing. I had complete passthrough on a quarting away shot about 22 inches plus penetration and still going.

Kevin Root
01-07-2013, 05:04 PM
Well another Mule Deer fell to Noslers BT. I have nothing but good things to say about them Quality bullet just use them at the recommend velocity on there web site. I'm pushing a 264 Win Mag 120 gr.BT at 3225 FPS like I said before one shot one Deer again this fall shot between 200 & 250 just a point and shoot no rangeing. I had complete passthrough on a quarting away shot about 22 inches plus penetration and still going.

I think I may need to check into new bullets instead of the over the counter Hornady IB. Your brother told me you liked Nosler, 1100 Remington Man. Wish I could have hunted with you all this past season. I had a good time last year hunting with you all. Sounds like you all had a good time this year. :)

mikeemo
06-25-2013, 12:40 PM
The buck antelope I shot was a one shot kill at 371 yds in the 25-06 and one of the does was 295 with the .25 Wby, one shot too. The MV in the 25-06 with the 100 gr is 3200 and the 115 in the Wby is 3350. At the long ranges I shot the animals at, I really didn't expect the BT to explode like it did. I have used Sierras fo 50 years and they are great bullets, use them for everything except in my .300 Wby where I use 180 gr Nosler Partitions for elk & larger animals.

i have used the bt in light 22 cal as well as heavier 30 cal i think the the 30 cal were acubond
the 22 cal like you said make a mess out of everything in its path
the 30 cal acubonds worked awsome in deer and elk while i have only shot out to the 100 -125 range with them
i think when they are super sonic speeds they tend to expand way to much for hunting pourpous
i guess my point is i like them in either situation exploding varmits or pile driving elk
hope to run into you out in the feild some time and we can swap stories
mike