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bern0134
10-05-2012, 04:01 PM
So I'm in the field for a new gun and on my mind is a 7mm of some sorts. I just want to hear some opinions on ballistics and performance from some veteran shooters. Thanks

Bitterroot Bulls
10-05-2012, 05:13 PM
Can't go wrong with any on that list. All three are tremendous hunting cartridges. I have a 7 RM and really like it. It is fast enough, flat enough, powerful enough, and moderate in recoil.

The reason I most prefer it to the bigger mags is the 7 RM is easier on throats if you shoot a lot.

Drhorsepower
10-05-2012, 07:11 PM
Good point bb, for non reloaders, ammunition might be more readily available as well.
I chose 7mm rm for same reasons above. It's just an all around good gun.
Hav you considered the 7mm-08

sjsmallfield
10-05-2012, 07:22 PM
Also for the non reloader the 7mm Wby can get pretty pricey in the ammo department. (I have a 257 Wby and don't reload) Also along with the 7mm mentioned you might consider a 7mm WSM. My friend has one and he loves it. Good luck!

Chippy Hacky
10-05-2012, 09:34 PM
7mm RM for me. I tried to change a few years ago, thought I needed to go bigger/better but I went back. The rifle would look like a beater to anyone else, to me it looks like that hammer you always go to in the garage. It clover leafs at 100yds all day long and 400yds is a chip shot. I haven't touched the scope dials in a decade!

I do like the idea that ammo is in every hardware store between home and camp and probably in every hunting camp you go by. I wouldn't be afraid to use it on anything on the face of the earth.

bigshot
10-05-2012, 09:40 PM
I have a 7mm RM and a 7mm Rem Saum, and like them both, but prefer the Saum only because it has a short action and is much lighter. But if I had to choose from the calibers mentioned above, I'd go with the 7mm STW, because it will out perform the Wby by a hair and you will have a wider selections of rifle makes to choose from. I assume your going to reload, if not stick with 7mm RM, due to the hard to find and expensive factory ammo for the other two mentioned.

xtreme
10-05-2012, 10:00 PM
You cant beat the 7rm. If you shoot long range or in wind 7 has a lot going for it. I have never used the Saum or STW and I too like short actions only because of the weight, well maybe the balance seems better too. Still, my choice is 7rm.

Drhorsepower
10-05-2012, 10:31 PM
One thing to remember with the short action is you will love mag capacity if that matters to you.

6mm Remington
10-06-2012, 08:32 AM
Nothing wrong with the .280 Remington either. That's one worth looking at as well. Or if you handload, the .280 AI might be worth considering also. Lots of good 7mm calibers out there.

bern0134
10-06-2012, 09:28 AM
Thanks Guys! I actually started reloading earlier this year so I guess that will cut some costs for ammo. I'll keep you informed as I read up on the cartridges.

canvsbk
10-06-2012, 12:54 PM
.280AI for me. With the short mags it's not unusual to not be able to seat the bullets out far enough for the best accuracy due to magazine length.

LaHunter
10-12-2012, 08:10 PM
Another vote for 7mm rem mag. Very flat shooting, wide range of bullet weights / styles, easy to find ammo, reasonable recoil for a magnum caliber. Most all gun makers produce 7 mm rem mag also.

Bighornbreath
10-28-2012, 02:12 PM
I have owned all three. The STW is the hardest kicking medium rifle I've ever shot and could not get it to beat the Remington by much. I would go 7mm-08. Light kicking in lightweight rifles and good out to 300 yards.

Edelweiss
10-28-2012, 03:05 PM
The 7mm STW is dead as a door nail.

Nothing wrong with the cartridge, but the 7mm Remington Ultra, 7mm Blaser, and 7mm Dakota put the nail in that coffin. It is fast, but the 3 of these are faster.

Here's my thoughts.

I would pick the 7mm Remington Magnum and never look back, unless I wanted the ultimate in long range 7mm's and I'd go for the 7mm Remington Ultra.

I don't remember if you are going to buy a factory rifle or build one up from the ground.

For factory rifle, I'd buy a Tikka T3 in 7mm Remington Magnum if you want a good rifle for a good price, and Tikka's shoot really well. $750. Bell and Carlson and Manners both make really nice replacement stocks for Tikka's plastic stock.

For a lot more money I'd buy a Sako Greywolf $1750.

For a little more money than that I'd buy a Weatherby Accumark in 7mm Remington Magnum $1950.

Beyond that your into Blaser money in factory rifles. Or custom rifles.

For custom, nothing wrong with a Howa, Tikka, Remginton action for an accurate rifle. Krieger barrel, and a McMillan or Manners stock, if you shopped around you could probably build what you wanted for under $2000. McMillan stock $600, Krieger barrel job $600, walmart Remington action $300, Jewell trigger $250.

Fish
10-29-2012, 02:44 PM
If your going to keep your shots to 350yd or so, take a good long look at the 280Rem or 280AI. My friend had a Rem MT rifle in 280. With good hand loads it came very close to 7 Rem mag vel. All the ammo for this caliber are kept on the low side for velocities. This was due to the fact that the 280 Rem was chambered for a lot of semi auto's and pump guns

Edelweiss
10-29-2012, 09:30 PM
We have a guy that owns a custom Surgeon actioned rifle with a 27 inch Krieger and a McMillan A-5 stock. I think he has a Nightforce scope, but I can't remember everything on guns that I didn't build.

Anyway he has really good look with that 280-Ackley. Good enought that if I was such a 8mm and 338 fan I'd build one for myself. Heck I might anyway.

CaptSteve
03-05-2013, 12:04 AM
So I'm in the field for a new gun and on my mind is a 7mm of some sorts. I just want to hear some opinions on ballistics and performance from some veteran shooters. Thanks

You may have already purchased that new rifle, if so, wonderful. If not, give serious thought to the 7STW. Better performance than your other two options, highly accurate, and frankly pretty easy to reload. Commercial ammo is readily available, and even some specialty makers like DoubleTap Ammo will custom load for you. Used mine on an Antelope at 426 yards with a nosler 160 accubond with a muzzle velocity of 3305fps---devestating. Although the cartridge is a bit long when compared to say the 7 Remington Mag or the 7 short mag action lengths, I personally believe that the longer powder column contributes to the overall accuracy and outright punch. If you can find a Weatherby Accumark in the 7STW, you'll find it is not nearly as punishing as in a lighter rifle. Best when used with a 26 inch mid to heavier weight barrel. Handles anything from the lightweight 140 grain bullets to the heavyweight 175 Barnes or Swift bullets and penetration is almost always through and through.

WapitiBob
03-05-2013, 02:34 AM
Love my STW. A new #5 Brux will be here monday to replace the factory barrel.

Never in Doubt
03-05-2013, 07:54 AM
I've got a 7mm mag, and it's been great. I've never missed an animal, and never needed a 2nd bullet.

It's not a gun I take out and shoot a couple boxes of ammo for fun, but for hunting I plan on it being the only rifle I'll ever need.

Ikeepitcold
03-05-2013, 08:41 AM
I have used 7mm wsm since they came out. I have killed everything from coyotes to Bull Elk. It's the best gun I own IMO. I have 5 Weatherbys and don't shoot any of them because the cost for ammo is so expensive. The 7 for me it is the flattest shooting and most accurate for the hunting I have done.

Ikeepitcold
03-05-2013, 08:47 AM
I have owned all three. The STW is the hardest kicking medium rifle I've ever shot and could not get it to beat the Remington by much. I would go 7mm-08. Light kicking in lightweight rifles and good out to 300 yards.

I picked up a 7mm-08 in a youth model for my kid. I took it out last weekend and sighted it in. Wow I was impressed! I think with how light it is and even being a youth model with the short stock I might us it for pack in hunts. It's much more lighter then my 7mm

tdub24
03-05-2013, 08:51 AM
I love my Remington model 788 7mm-08, it has killed coyotes, deer, antelope, and my first bull elk at 400 yards. It does have a very short barrel though, kicks like a mule. I have been really impressed with the lack of drop too.

Wags
03-05-2013, 10:27 AM
The 7-08 is a heck of a gun. Especially if you reload, then you can really maximize its capability. I shoot 120 grain tsx's out of mine right around 3025 fps and 140 grain accubonds at 2900 fps. Deer dont stand a chance. Just like most any gun, with plenty of practice and the right optics you can kill past 300 yards with 08 with plenty left to spare.

xtreme
03-05-2013, 10:40 AM
You might have fun with a Stevens 200 7mm, I think retail is $420 you could buy a trigger for $135. Reload 160 class bullets of choice to about 3050fps.

trkytrack2
03-05-2013, 01:46 PM
.280 Remington would be my choice.

ThreeTikkas
03-06-2013, 06:01 PM
I'm a previously confesed 284 hater. Oh I tried to come over to the caliber. Tried a 700 mountain rifle in 7-08 the instatnt they were available. It turned out to have a chamber problem and had to go back to Remington. They turned it around in short order,and off to the range we went. No love there. Maybe it was the rough start we got off to. Maybe it was the fact it didn't like any 150gr bullet I threw at it. Don't know,but I sent it on it's way. There was a 280 M77V about that time as well. I shot the heck out of it but couldn't justify the weight of the rifle for a big game round and fell out of love with it too. There is the semi custom M700 LA 284 Win too. The picture of accuracy. I'm still waiting for it to worm it's way into my heart. It's a wonderful round in a very accurate rig. Just not all warm and fuzzy about it yet.

My brother in law on the other hand fell in love with the 280. Then the 7 RM. His adamant pro "7" position prompted me to do more study on the subject. The huge following the 7RM had driven me to reconsider it. On paper it isn't anything special. Heck the old ought 6 will run with it out to 400yds. With a 180gr bullet to boot. The 7 Remmy is anything but exciting with the bullets over 160gr. Okay,but nothing special. Then it happened.

2 years ago I bought a T3 in 7 Remington Magnum. Mostly because I needed a gun fix,and didn't have a 7 mag in the T3 yet. I justified the purchase by dubbing it my daughters elk rifle. I figured she could handle the recoil just fine.(it is VERY pleasant to opperate). There are some high quality bullets in the 140/150gr range that I figured she would do fine with at a minimum recoil. Good trajectory. Quality factory fodder on every street corner. Yada yada yada. Off to the range we go again. It all became crystal clear. The thing shot VERY well with 140gr Sierras. Better yet with 150gr bullets of any brand. I took 2 deer with it the first fall,3 weeks after firing the first rounds from it. One was a doe at 300yds 2" under the chin. The thing almost shoots it self. Stupid simple to own and opperate. Little felt recoil. Endless componant options as well as factory fodder. All with 20gr less charcoal than the Ultra. What's not to like?

From all that. 35 years of justifying not owning one. I have come to the conclusion that my next rifle to end all rifles is inevitable. Within the year I will settle on one very nice,light,accurate rifle to be my last. A life time of being a gun looney. Owning something like 75 different factory offerings,in a myriad of different chamberings. Buying,tweaking,testing then trading. I'm burned out and ready to concentrate my efforts in the preference point system and spending as much time as I can in the Rockies. This rifle is going to be the 7 Remington Magnum. Throated for the 160gr bullet. In a 24" barrel. I won't argue for it,or against it. I've owned rifles that would leave the 7RM for dead. The 338 Win Mag. The 300 Ultra. The 300 Win Mag. All make a better argument for the one gun battery. It's not just about the numbers. I've run them to death. It's about what feels right,and the 7 RM suits me right down to the ground.

One gun nuts opinon.

alaska2go
03-08-2013, 10:57 PM
i have room full critters that have fallen to the mighty little 7-08. Grizzly bear, elk, caribou, mule deer, moose, yada yada. To me I think it is the best all purpose round there is. longest ranged kill @ 462 yards on a caribou. My dad killed a bull with it @ 392 yards last fall with one of my 7-08s. I have my 12 year old son banging a 12"x12" gong @ 500 yards with a kimber 7-08. Lite recoil, easy to reload, the cheapest of the 284 calibers to reload, bullet selction, and time proven 308 case whats there not to like about the mighty little 7