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Edelweiss
10-21-2012, 08:33 PM
I have been lucky enough to get stuck with the title Armorer in the military, though 99% of my job has to do with safety of flight gear, personal flight gear and emergency systems like parachutes, rafts, mountaineering gear, tents, survival equipment and oxygen systems. A squadron has to have someone to maintain and store firearms, and in Naval Aviation it is the Riggers.

For a long time I have been nuts about German and Austrian gunsmiths who build things like double rifles, mausers, single shots, drillings and vierlings (3 and 4 barreled rifles/shotgun combinations guns).

Depending on how my retirement job prospects come out, I am thinking about pursuing a internship with a custom gunsmithing outfit in Europe or someone like Dakota to fine tune my craft. And increase my machine shop skills.

If you could have anything built to your preferred method of hunting what would you have?

Colorado Cowboy
10-22-2012, 07:14 AM
I have several custom rifles now, a custom commercial Mauser in .300 Wby, a .220 Ackley Swift on a 03 action and a .22-250 on a short Sako. If I had my choice of anything, it would be a Doug Turnbull restoration of a classic Winchester. I love old levers, especially 1773, 1876 and 1886's. I would dearly like to have an original 1886 in 45-70 restored the way Turnbull does it. His craftsmanship is the best I've ever seen, especially his case hardening process. Add some exhibition grade walnut and then go hunting.

Now that would be my ultimate, classic elk (and larger big game) rifle.

Edelweiss
10-22-2012, 01:57 PM
I love levers too, but it's harder to get $30,000 for a custom one than it is for a double rifle. I probably won't be building them. I love 1886 and 1895 rifles.

Edelweiss
10-22-2012, 02:03 PM
My goal is to build falling block rifles in Heeren, Hagn and Sidelever designs, mauser bolt actions with a mauser action of my own manufacture, Franz Jaeger style break action single shots and double rifles, and best of all underlever double rifles and underlever break action single shots.

dying to kill
10-22-2012, 07:47 PM
any thing that shoots sub moa gets my attention moa guns out to a grand are impressive but u start shrinking that group to 8inches or smaller buddy o boy thats a gun now!!!

Edelweiss
10-22-2012, 08:44 PM
dying to kill,

Do you shoot out to 1000?

I shoot F-Class every weekend out to 1400.

mcseal2
10-23-2012, 02:50 PM
My 264 win mag fits the bill for me for flatlands. Between the original 300 win barrel and the replacement 264 it has taken 5 whitetail that average 162" , my best muley and antelope, and a bunch of coyotes and other varmints. I just have confidence that it will do it's job if I do mine. It's built on a Model 70 classic action, 25" stainless fluted barrel, custom thumbhole stock, Wyatt extended mag box, and rapid pivot bipod attachment. The light recoil and excellent ballistics of the 264 make it a work for me. The 9.5lb weight scoped and loaded make it easier to hold steady on a windy prairie, but heavy at the end of a long day in the mountains.

For steeper country I've got another M70 at the smith being re-built to 270 win. It will be my mountain muley rifle and back-up elk gun when it's done. It will be have a 24" #3 stainless fluted Pac Nor barrel, Mcmillian Hunters Edge stock, Leupold 4.5-14 CDS scope, and hopefully shoot 140gr accubonds well. Finished weight should be 8.3lbs including sling and ammo.

I already have a custom 204 and 6mm for predator hunting, so past that I'd like to have a 300 magnum as a dedicated elk rifle, but I only get to elk hunt every 4yrs or so. It may not be a custom, just a good shooting lightweight sporter with a good brake. If I get an elk tag before I get a 300 the 270 is capable with a well placed accubond.

ThreeTikkas
11-25-2012, 02:46 PM
I'm currently in the business of getting this "perfect" rifle to come together. A little background is in order. I'm just a shade over 50. Since I was a boy of 11 or 12 I've been "into" guns. Done a lot with them in the last life time or so. Shot bench rest out to 400 yds. Trap to the point of retiring AA with a 23 yd handicap. Combat handgun run and gun. Firearms instructor. I mean overdone in a big way. It's been a love affair with the rifles too. I'd have to sit down with pen and paper and a fair amount of time to try to list all the factory rifles I've been through. Buy,shoot,fiddle,tune,load for,then ultimately trade them off and do it again. It's been fun,but time to move on one last time. I'm playing the preference point game. Planning hunts for big muley and elk in general from now till doomsday. A year ago I set out to build a long action M700 in 284 Win to be my do-all companion rifle from here on out. What a sweet heart too. 1/2 MOA easy with 150gr Noslers. Trued,bedded,lapped and 10.25 lbs! Too friggin heavy for serious mountain hunting. For me anyway. Currently I'm working with Red Hawk Rifles to get a short action M700 done up in 300 saum. The first of 3 hopefully. This one for me as my go-to mountain rig. One for each of my daughters in the not so distant future as graduation presents. Then a walking varminter in 22/250 as an early retirement present to myself. With a little luck and good management this next rifle to end all rifles will come together by next spring and be ready for 2 weeks in Colorado next fall. Fingers crossed!

Eberle
11-26-2012, 09:32 AM
I'm currently in the business of getting this "perfect" rifle to come together. A little background is in order. I'm just a shade over 50. Since I was a boy of 11 or 12 I've been "into" guns. Done a lot with them in the last life time or so. Shot bench rest out to 400 yds. Trap to the point of retiring AA with a 23 yd handicap. Combat handgun run and gun. Firearms instructor. I mean overdone in a big way. It's been a love affair with the rifles too. I'd have to sit down with pen and paper and a fair amount of time to try to list all the factory rifles I've been through. Buy,shoot,fiddle,tune,load for,then ultimately trade them off and do it again. It's been fun,but time to move on one last time. I'm playing the preference point game. Planning hunts for big muley and elk in general from now till doomsday. A year ago I set out to build a long action M700 in 284 Win to be my do-all companion rifle from here on out. What a sweet heart too. 1/2 MOA easy with 150gr Noslers. Trued,bedded,lapped and 10.25 lbs! Too friggin heavy for serious mountain hunting. For me anyway. Currently I'm working with Red Hawk Rifles to get a short action M700 done up in 300 saum. The first of 3 hopefully. This one for me as my go-to mountain rig. One for each of my daughters in the not so distant future as graduation presents. Then a walking varminter in 22/250 as an early retirement present to myself. With a little luck and good management this next rifle to end all rifles will come together by next spring and be ready for 2 weeks in Colorado next fall. Fingers crossed!

Just wondering with your expierence, which rifle (Out of the box) has performed the best for you?

AKaviator
11-26-2012, 11:56 AM
My dream rifle would have to be almost anything built on a mauser action by Jerry Fisher of Montana. I have one rifle stocked by him and have seen several others that he built. I would probably have it in a 30-06 or .280.
However, my dream exceeds my finances!

Bitterroot Bulls
11-26-2012, 01:48 PM
I love these dream gear threads.

I think I would go with a Forbes NULA in 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Winny.

Top it with high end glass like Kahles/Swaro/Zeiss/Premier with a drop reticle system in 2-10 or 3-12ish config, and I would be set.

Edelweiss
11-26-2012, 02:11 PM
My dream rifle would have to be almost anything built on a mauser action by Jerry Fisher of Montana. I have one rifle stocked by him and have seen several others that he built. I would probably have it in a 30-06 or .280.
However, my dream exceeds my finances!

Jerry Fisher is one of the best stockmakers in the world. And he's a nice guy to boot. There is another Montana stockmaker who's a little more famous who's isn't a very nice guy in person.

My goal would be to offer four stock choices in design;

A mild monte-carlo

A bavarian hump back stock

A classic American style open grip stock like a Dakota model 10

And in bolt rifles only a thumbhole like Harry Lawson's stocks

ThreeTikkas
11-26-2012, 05:54 PM
Just wondering with your expierence, which rifle (Out of the box) has performed the best for you?

Wow. At a glance,this seems like a harmless enough question. I almost blurted out an answer too. Then I decided to give it a little thought. I'd like to start with some observations then boil it down from there. First up is the Ruger #1. I flat out love the feel of the #1. They have always fit me fabulously. I'm a tang safety guy too. One that I was quite happy with was the heavy barreled 6mm Remington I hunted whistle pigs with back in the 80s. It was just plain fun to shoot. It shot very well for a #1 considering the trigger. Which by the way is what keeps me from putting it first on this review. They can be tweaked,but not cheaply or easily. More linkages than a John Deer B.
Moving on. The M700 Remington has to make mention here. When you consider the shear number of them in service and the overall reliability of them they damn near got my vote as well. I've had a bunch of them from 22/250 to 300 Utra and they ranged in vintage from a couple old 721s to the latest and greatest. Accuracy has always been more than acceptable. Tweaking them is relatively simple. Are they the best out of the ox for accuracy? I'd have to say probably not. But they are darn close.
This brings me o two other manufacturers that have to be considered. Savage and Tikka. There are some things about both of them that need to be mentioned. Savage has to be one of the greatest rebirths ever in our sport. They have really stepped up and delivered. Unfortunately they are just about the ugliest rifle to come down the pike. They floating bolt head is possibly the most revolutionary design they have to offer. There are things associated with the barrel nut too that lend themself to improved accuracy. At leas at the mass production level. Changing the barrel itself can be accomplished by anyone relatively mechanicaly inclined. They are just plain effective. Would I rate them as my #1 out of the box? Close,but no cigar.
On to Tikka. Lots of good things to say about the Tikka as well. Simple design. Smoooth opperation. Single stack mags lend them selves to being very slick feeders. No sideways motion in the cartridge while coming from under the lip of the reciever up the ramp.
Lots going on in a staggered mag just to get the round out of the box and into the barrel. The Tikka doesn't have to contend with any of this. Their barrels are by and large quite good. I've never felt the need to fire lap a Tikka. The 25/06 was pretty easily coppered up,but not like some other pipes I've run into in the past. I'm not super fond of detachable mags. Another thing to loose or in the case of the plastic Tikka version break. Something I don't need after sitting in a truck seat for 30 hours just to get to elk camp. The trigger guard as well could be improved upon in my mind. Bear in mind that any time they loose some plastic,they are going to gain weight. One of the best things about the Tikka is the handy feel and light all up weight. My 338 is 7.75 lbs field ready. Pretty sweet at my age. The stock is above average for synthetic factory offerings these days. Especially at the Tikka price point. Savage had them beat for a couple years,then decided to claim their share of the market. That was the last Savage I bought. I will not pay more for a Savage than a Tikka. I'm not sitting in the brush for 2 weeks at a time looking down at that ugly sucker.
The Winchester model 70 has been good to me. I flat love the trigger. The time honored trigger. I'm not familiar with the latest offering. Give me a M70 with the old trigger and in about 5 minuets I'll have it adjusted to what in my mind is "Woods Perfect". Extreamly simple in design,and easily inspected visually. I like them. The field stripable bolt is another exercise in simplicity. Stupid simple and very effective. There was a period in time where the M70 was pretty close to extinction. Hence the quality slipped a lot. The front of the reciever on some of these rifles were anything but square. The overall fit and finish too was less than steller for a time. But,they have re-bounded in a big way. A little more money now than in the past,but I think worth it. Mine have always shot very well. Functioned as expected,and were pleasing to the eye. There is nothing any more attractive than a stainless/walnut feather weight M70.
Now for your answer. If I boil it all down. Price,performance,features,construction,accuracy,a nd reliability. I would have to come back to the Tikka. Are they perfect? Nope. But when you consider price,accuracy,quality,feel,function,and available chamberings they are pretty darn good rifles. I've never had a Tikka that wasn't very well worth the price.

BKC
11-26-2012, 07:36 PM
If I could afford any rifle I wanted then I would probably be affraid of scratching it. It's weird, I don't think my horses would know a custom rifle vs. an off the shelf rifle when they are rubbing the scabbard on trees navigating the dead fall. If I didnt use it in the field and only at the range then I wouldn't have much use for it. I am happy with the ones I have and they all do the job when the wind isn't howling. I really love hunting but custom guns never got me real excited. If they feed , have a nice trigger, are topped with a leupold scope, and shoot then that is as custom as I need.

AKaviator
11-26-2012, 08:36 PM
So, okay...in an imaginary house fire, which one rifle would you grab before all others?

For me it's my Remington 700CDL in .375h&h. I've taken everything from a charging pine marten (joke, he wasn't really charging) to a charging grizzly (no joke, she really was!). I have other rifles that are far more "all around" than the .375 but It's an old friend that I've had since 1978 and has kept my freezer filled better than all my other rifles combined.

6mm Remington
11-27-2012, 06:47 PM
A Ruger #1B in .280 Remington with a premium 26" barrel and a Leupold 4.5-14x40mm on top, a Zeiss Conquest, or maybe a fixed 6x42mm Leupold with the LR dots. Custom wood on it with some nice figure. You know what, I think it would be neat to have the wood be nutmeg laminate, checkered of course! I already have a Ruger 1B in 6mm Remington and a 30-06 so obviously I need a .280 Remington!! By the way both of the #1's I have right now both have fabulous wood in them!! :) :o

A Ruger Hawkeye, Winchester, or other Mauser style action trued and blue printed with a 24" barrel chambered in 6mm Remington. A nice slender stock similar to the Hawkeye stock (Ruger got that one really right!), and I would like it to be a nutmeg laminate that has been pillar and glass bedded. A nice Zeiss Conquest or Leupold on top would make me very happy!!

David

Edelweiss
11-27-2012, 09:08 PM
Ruger #1 rifles are among my favorite. Especially the 1B and 1RSI. I have owned about 6 of them. Some have been accurate, some have been not accurate at all.

The newer ones have been better than the ones I have owned from the 1970's and 80s.

Black pad rifles seem to be more accurate than red pad rifles.

But the wood isn't as good.

bigshot
11-27-2012, 09:09 PM
Hey check out this video of a new rifle and scope outfit they are coming out with. Laser guided bullets? I'll wait and buy one when they come out with a light mtn rifle version.


http://youtu.be/LvbyAcYjzlc

canvsbk
12-01-2012, 11:14 PM
I'm not sure what the op's question is anymore....
My most accurate out of the box rifle is a Remington 700 .270 that I bought used to build a .280 ackley with. Decided to shoot it first and oh my goodness! I ended up restocking that one but I'll never be able to shoot as good as it does.
My current build is a Sendero type 7 rm on a 700 action built in 1962. 7RM seems fitting for this one. When the gun fund has grown back to a useable size I can see a 6mm rem in a walk around varmiter in my not too distant future. With out a passion life can be pretty boring....

Edelweiss
12-02-2012, 01:36 PM
I am the original poster, and I don't really care if the thread goes for a quantum leap.

I love talking about custom rifles, your dreams, my dreams...... whatever.

canvsbk
12-02-2012, 08:20 PM
I am away from home working. Have been for 2 months. All my rifle buddies are 2,000 miles away so I guess you guys will do just fine. I also absolutely love discussing rifles...
In my 1st post I neglected an extremely accurate out of the box rifle of mine, gettin' old and forgetful. The rifle is a Model 70 Stealth 2. It may very well be the most accurate rifle I'll ever own, anytime a .22-250 can put 5 in row in the same hole I'm impressed. There's never been anything done to it and groups that you can't cover with a dime are disappointing. I surely don't deserve it but it's mine, bought on a whim a couple years ago.

Edelweiss
12-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Anyone like "full stocks" other wise known as mannlicher stocked or stutzen rifles?

packer58
12-02-2012, 10:05 PM
Personally I like a little steel out in front of my stocks, never really interested in full lenght stocks.......just my preference.

Edelweiss
12-02-2012, 11:11 PM
There is a wierd kiplauf (break action single shot) that Hallowells in Livingston Montana has, and it's got just a bit of barrel past the wood.

Very long forend. Wierd looking.

It's wierd all the way around, wierd caliber, wierd stock. Rennet I think is the name of the maker.

packmule
02-07-2013, 02:36 PM
My dream rifle should be coming together shortly. I want it to be light as possible and still maintain the accuracy of the heavy 40lb bench rifles. I'm still young and can tote 7-10lb rifles anywhere I need to go, but I know at some point that won't be the case. With that said, I'd like this rifle, in the Titanium Strata in 270wsm or 280AI.
http://riflesinc.com/riflemodels.html

rfurman24
02-08-2013, 07:59 AM
My next custom is going to be a titanium action in a carbon Manners stock with a fluted #4 barrel. Probably in a 300 RUM.