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Edelweiss
10-31-2012, 04:05 PM
I am retiring in a year. So I am a little too far out to apply for jobs that don't require huge security clearances, or have really long hiring processes.

Here's our selection ideas so far, I have it broken into 3 tiers.

Best fit:

* Alaska, but selectivly so: Bristol Bay, SE, Valdez, Tok, Copper Center/Glennallen and Kenai. No Anchorage and no Fairbanks. Right now I am an Alaska resident so it's an easy no wait hunting oppertunity.

* Top 2/3rds of Wyoming (as I am a Fremont native), parents live in Wyoming and I grew up there mostly so it's an easy fit, probably hunt cow elk and doe antelope as a non resident next year.

* Western Montana (as I graduated high school in SW Montana). Go Wardens! Easy fit lots of family in SW Montana. And can still hunt Wyoming as a non-resident.


2nd Tier

Northern Idaho

NE Washington state

Alpine, Texas area; with the thought I could have a low fence lease for Aoudad, javelina, mule deer and whitetails

New Mexico other than the big cities, because you can buy land owner tags, and if you were in SE New Mexico you could have a west Texas lease like above.


3rd Tier

Arizona other than Pheonix and Tuscon

Utah other than Salt Lick

Colorado other than the Denver I-25 coridor.

Nevada other than Reno or Vegas.

Northern California, could have a deer and wild pig lease.

Texas Hill Country, could have a hunting lease.

Western North and South Dakota


My thoughts are I already buy points in Nevada, Arizona and Utah for everything and hunting there is super limited, so while they are nice places to live I plan on using my points wisely in those 3 states.

Doe Nob
11-01-2012, 11:07 AM
How much traveling do you plan on doing outside of hunting season? Being retired with nothing to do, you will be busy scouting some in the offseason, but if it were me I'd want to be within 3 hours of a major airport so I can get anywhere in the US in a day if I need to.

If you don't like winter weather, Texas could be considered, but I live here and wouldn't move here to retire. Southwest Colorado, Central or Northern New Mexico, anywhere in Wyoming I'd give a vote for. Any of those, you are a days (16 hr) drive to most any good unit in the west. Colorado is rugged in the winter with real high elevations. If I retired at 60, I'd wonder how long my knees and my back would keep me topping fourteeners before I broke down.


AK might be good if you don't have any family in the lower 48. I think the older you get the more important it gets to spend time with family and its nice to be a day away if you need to get somewhere.

Grizz
11-01-2012, 12:12 PM
All great choices to me... However, I'm a big fan of cold hard winters (growing up on Lake Superior probably has something to do with that). Plus when the Zombie apocalypse hits they don't handle cold real well, so that's a plus! And in Wyoming I have great views so I can find a high place and snipe them from 500 plus yards out with my .338-378. :cool:

Seriously, I love Wyoming after moving from da U.P. eh! Lots of hunting opportunities and room to roam whether high or low. I definitely prefer the northern part of the state though. Alaska still sings a siren song as well. Doe Nob brings up a great point about family too. It is nice to be a day away from anyone you need or who needs you.

Edelweiss
11-01-2012, 10:47 PM
All,

I am not really going to be retired. My plan is to work full time until I am 67 so I'll have something like 28 more years of work ahead of me. Not crying, just know lots of people that stopped working at 40 and basically were dead at 48. That and I won't be financially able to do it then anyway. Retirement check will be enough for a pretty swanky mortage and that's it.

As for being near an airport, that isn't a real priority, neither is being near a base or VA facility. It might be 20 years from now, but not right now. If you live in the West, you are where you want to be 99% of the time anyway. Let's put it this way I have never looked out across my parents back porch at Casper mountain and said "man I wish I New York, Atlanta, LA, San Fran, Miami or anyplace else wasn't 10 hours worth of flights and driving. That and Denver has a 7 hour flight to Frankfurt, about the same as anywhere else in North America.

I am more looking for specific towns if you have them. I'd like to know what's still nice and what has gone to crap.

Grizz
11-05-2012, 09:58 AM
Two Words... Buffalo, Wyoming! Two and half hours from Billings airport, two from Casper... Hunting and Fishing, no wolves or grizzlies and still has that small town Wyoming feel. Plus quite a bit of state ground around there for public hunting opportunities.

Edelweiss
11-05-2012, 02:34 PM
I have thought about Buffalo, but I don't think any of the gov Agencies I want to work for are in Buffalo.

Edelweiss
11-05-2012, 05:28 PM
Dug up a little on Buffalo, it would be ok.

I am hoping the job I want magically appears in Powell or Thermopolis. I really want to hunt the Shoshone Wilderness.

And it's cheaper than living in Cody.

And old bones can soak in the hot springs when needed.

BKC
11-05-2012, 08:09 PM
Two Words... Buffalo, Wyoming! Two and half hours from Billings airport, two from Casper... Hunting and Fishing, no wolves or grizzlies and still has that small town Wyoming feel. Plus quite a bit of state ground around there for public hunting opportunities.
Buffalo is a nice place but THEY DO HAVE WOLVES !!!!

Grizz
11-06-2012, 11:50 AM
Oh, well, a few... took pictures of some tracks in the Big Horns this fall and there is the odd sighting now and then. BUT, the ones we do have won't last too long with our new laws... three cheers for Wyoming!

I don't know what agencies you are considering but there are a lot of gov offices in Sheridan and that is only a half hour up the road. But I know what you mean about the hot springs, they are nice.

Bitterroot Bulls
11-06-2012, 12:41 PM
I like all those areas in Wyoming. The Bighorns are neat country for sure. As for MT, the Helena area has a lot going for it. Close to a relatively big town, and reasonable driving distance to some great hunting and fishing. If you are looking further west and wilderness, it is hard to beat the Flathead.

P.S. I had to chuckle at the "udder pandamonium." I pictured a hand grenade in a dairy. ;)

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 01:35 PM
I was thinking of the western comedian Baxter Black, it was either him or Waddie Mitchell that had a "Udder Pandamonium" poem.

It all depends on jobs at least for a couple years. I like NW Montana, I like SW but not Dillon as a town. A really neat town if you don't need a job is Phillipsburg, Montana.

Deer Lodge where I went to high school is a methtown now.

Musket Man
11-06-2012, 02:06 PM
I would not recommend Washington. I like eastern Wa well enough but the trouble with Wa is the west side has all the votes and those if us on the east side really dont have much say in anything. Also Wa has alot of higher taxes then most states (even worse then california). Wa also does a poor job at best of managing its wildlife. I rarely even hunt here. Im very close to Idaho and honestly I wish I lived on the other side of the border.

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 02:18 PM
Musket Man,

I feel your pain, I used to live in Whidbey Island, and while it's one of the most beautiful places I have ever lived the politics suck.

We had a lot of blacktails on our island though.

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 02:21 PM
Musket,

Have you ever been to Kesselrings gunshop? 15,000+ guns in stock.

Musket Man
11-06-2012, 03:43 PM
Musket,

Have you ever been to Kesselrings gunshop? 15,000+ guns in stock.

No but sounds like I should have!! Where is it? mite be on my way as soon as I finish smoking my deer sausage :)

xtreme
11-06-2012, 04:14 PM
All you gotta do is a turnkey purchase of my place in Southern Colorado. Leave the truck sit, walk to elk, deer, and bear. Jut get a knife sharpener.

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 04:45 PM
All you gotta do is a turnkey purchase of my place in Southern Colorado. Leave the truck sit, walk to elk, deer, and bear. Jut get a knife sharpener.


Colorado? Not even in my top 20 choices.

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 04:46 PM
North of Seattle on highway 101/99 whatever it's called. Just north of the Indian Casino in Mount Vernon.

Musket Man
11-07-2012, 09:27 AM
Ill have to check it out if I ever get over that way. I try to avoid that side of the state at all cost but may be worth it for a good gun shop!!

Edelweiss
11-09-2012, 04:35 AM
I don't know how much of a gun nut you are, but in 1997 they had 30 Dakota rifles, about 30 Krieghoff shotguns and double rifles in stock, and over 15 Beretta EEOO shotguns. Plus a couple hundred Weatherby Mark Vs, and pallets of M700, M77, M70 rifles.

Biggest by volume gunshop I have ever been in.

Kittery Trading post in Maine was the 2nd biggest, on total number of guns.

One of those Dallas based Bass Pro shops or Cabelas would be the biggest gun shop I have ever been in. And they are the biggest outdoor stores in the world. At least I think they are the biggest of both of their respective chains stores.

You know what they say everything is bigger in Texas, as they never speak of Alaska which is almost 3 times as big.

And they never talk about the Parker Ranch of Hawaii which is bigger than the King Ranch.

And Texas doesn't have the most people, that's California.

Or the highest mountains, as they only go to 10,000 feet.

Or the prettiest girls, that's one of those mid-western states like Minnesota.

Or the best BBQ, that's Chicago or Tennessee.

Or the best Mexican food, that's New Mexico or California (hello Hatch Green chilies).

Or the biggest whitetail deer, that's Saskatchewan, Alberta, Illinois, Kentucky, Iowa and Indiana.

Or the most coastline, that's Alaska followed by California.

They do have this catchy tune by Tracy Byrd.

There's never been a Texan who's ever been outdone
He'll outbig the biggest for spite or for fun
He's got bigger tractors and bigger trucks
Bigger and of course bigger bucks

But pride is the biggest thing in Texas
It's the only thing bigger than the land that we love
And we got big down to the letter, we ain't saying we're no better
It just seems like out in Texas there's more to be proud of

Broke or broken won't show in his eyes
He'll never back down and he'll never say die
See he's naturally a Texan the day he is born

But pride is the biggest thing in Texas
It's the only thing bigger than the land that we love
And we got big down to the letter, we ain't saying we're no better
It just seems like out in Texas there's more to be proud of

If you can't love it or fight it
Rope it or ride it, shoot it or sip it
What the hell good is it

There's never been a Texan who's ever been outdone
He'll outbig the biggest for spite or for fun
He's got bigger tractors and bigger trucks
Bigger and of course bigger bucks

But pride is the biggest thing in Texas
It's the only thing bigger than the land that we love
And we got big down to the letter, we ain't saying we're no better
It just seems like out in Texas there's more to be proud of

Broke or broken won't show in his eyes
He'll never back down and he'll never say die
See he's naturally a Texan the day he is born

Pride is the biggest thing in Texas
It's the only thing bigger than the land that we love
And we got big down to the letter, we ain't saying we're no better
It just seems like out in Texas there's more to be proud of

Yes, it just seems like out in Texas there's more to be proud of

Doe Nob
11-12-2012, 10:25 AM
Or the prettiest girls, that's one of those mid-western states like Minnesota.


I can let all of it go except this one. If you think on average women in Minnesota are hotter, I would like to know what you are smoking. There are a lot of asians in the twin cities though, maybe you got yellow fever?

Edelweiss
11-12-2012, 03:53 PM
Doe Nob,

Just having fun.

Edelweiss
11-14-2012, 02:45 PM
Bitterroot, I applied for a couple jobs in Helena, thanks for the information. I went to high school over the mountain in Deer Lodge, and I have family there so it would be handy.

I am a year out but some federal jobs take time.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-03-2012, 11:02 AM
I know you are considering the Glacier area. It is one of my favorite areas of the state. Great backcountry outside the park there.

PM sent.

Edelweiss
12-03-2012, 05:09 PM
Thanks, NW and Southwest Montana especially farther away from Missoula, Butte and Bozeman are in my top picks with Alaska south of the Arctic Circle and Wyoming off the I-80 corridor rounding out the top 3 places I want to be.

Eventually when the kids are a bit older we'll move back to Alaska for a few years as I feel I have a lot of unfinished business up there.

When I am in my mid 50's (15 years from now) we want to move teach school in Europe, South America or Africa. But we want our kids a little older.