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Edelweiss
11-05-2012, 09:24 PM
I am here to ask a favor among all of you on this site.

Tommorow may not seem like a big deal, but I can assure you it is.

I have had the privlidge of serving in the military for almost 20 years. It's all been wonderful, some of my most cherished moments are in the warzone in Afghanistan, Iraq and in Kosovo. In the last two presidential elections I never received a ballot as we were without mail in the area I was deployed to.

There are a lot of military members out there that have not received their ballot, if you were thinking of not voting because you don't like either canidate I ask that you hit the ballot box and vote in honor of a military member.

There are almost 300,000 military men and women deployed to all over the world right now. I would venture to say that a great number of them did not get a ballot.

Please vote!

AKaviator
11-05-2012, 09:54 PM
Thanks for your service to this country Edelweiss. As for voting, I already have; I'm saying prayers and crossing fingers that we will have a hunter for Vice Pres. at least! Go R/R!!

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 12:53 AM
I voted as well, hopefully the others will go.

Maineboy
11-06-2012, 04:55 AM
Well put Edelweiss, Thanks for your time serving are country. I have already voted go R/R!

6mm Remington
11-06-2012, 05:12 AM
It's an honor to vote and to have that right. Please everyone get out there and vote.

wapiti66
11-06-2012, 05:47 AM
Thanks for your many years of service Edelweiss, your service to the country is greatly appreciated. Ill be voting here shortly. I too am excited to have a hunter in VP.

Fink
11-06-2012, 05:56 AM
Nice post edelweiss, and thank you for your service to the country. I did my civic duty last week, I hope everyone gets out and votes.

Colorado Cowboy
11-06-2012, 06:50 AM
Voted a couple of weeks ago when early voting started. Havn't missed a voting opportunity since I turned 21. My first voting opportunity was in 1962!

hardstalk
11-06-2012, 08:09 AM
Have plans to bail out early from work and get my vote on. Looking forward to some real "change" :)

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 10:01 PM
Tough Day.

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 10:05 PM
Nevada and Arizona just got bumped above Colorado and New Mexico, even Texas moved up above them. Red state or death.

Edelweiss
11-06-2012, 10:09 PM
Crap we just lost Nevada too. Delete that one too.

wapiti66
11-07-2012, 05:39 AM
Apparently the majority of our country thinks the gov should start making more of our decisions for us. So much for freedom and prosperity, here comes more regulation and taxation. Wonder how high gas will go, or maybe he will just start giving away electric cars. I guess it's easier to convince people they are "victims" than convince them to get a damn job.

xtreme
11-07-2012, 06:24 AM
I voted and lost, not to be alone, the winners lost more. Buy guns for investment, gun companys etc.

Colorado Cowboy
11-07-2012, 06:51 AM
Pull up your jeans and tighten your belt....looks like we are in for a hell of a rough ride for the next 4 years!

NM_Archer
11-07-2012, 07:43 AM
Sad day for american outdoorsman!!!

Kevin Root
11-07-2012, 08:12 AM
There are many reasons I did not vote for Obama. One big one was his stance on firearms.

I've read, that according to the NRA, Obama opposed all right-to-carry laws. Obama endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition used for hunting and sport shooting. Obama voted for a ban on standard capacity firearms magazines. Obama was a member of the Board of Drirectors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and research. And much more.

So, I did not vote for Barack Obama, who won the Presidential vote yesterday. It is not the end of the world. It's time for me to quit my whining and move on. I believe that your attitude determines 99% of your future. Spend 99% of your time making a difference for you and those you care about, rather than complaining about an election we might not have hoped for. My prayers will continue to go out to our President Barack Obama for his future decisions that will affect our country and our world.

We still live in the greatest country in the world. Go out and make a difference every day. It's time to go hunting. :)

Musket Man
11-07-2012, 08:48 AM
Elections should go by acres not electoral votes. look at how much of the map is red, well over 1/2 the area. think i need to move east a bit!

Kevin Root
11-07-2012, 08:56 AM
Elections should go by acres not electoral votes. look at how much of the map is red, well over 1/2 the area. think i need to move east a bit!

It takes all that Red to pay for the Blue. :) I think we are stuck on the electoral vote system, but I agree it is quite interesting looking at the map.

http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t387/Kevin_Root/Posting%20Pictures/644117_487823614583886_1911165067_ncopy.jpg

AKaviator
11-07-2012, 09:43 AM
Kevin Root, If you shoot a rifle as dead-on accurate as your opinion is in this post, you must be a heck of a shot! Thanks for sharing some wise perspectives with us. As always, this is a good time for some prayers.:)

jay
11-07-2012, 10:23 AM
At the end of the day, all politicians are corrupt in one way or another. There is no balance in this country, the rich keep getting richer and the poor, poorer! Is this what they call the american dream! I agree with Kevin that one must care for what's close and the rest will fall into place. That's one of the beauties of hunting, it's you and the mountain, none of the other bullsh*t one has to come home to in society.

buckbull
11-07-2012, 11:51 AM
Its a sad day when the takers out number the givers. Economic collapse is inevitable.

Muleys 24/7
11-07-2012, 03:52 PM
Its a sad day when the takers out number the givers. Economic collapse is inevitable.

Well said.....

tdub24
11-07-2012, 04:27 PM
Right on Kevin, well said. I hope you don't mind, I used that quote for some cry babies on a social network. Like you said, "We still live in the greatest country in the world. Go out and make a difference every day." Thanks

Fink
11-07-2012, 04:30 PM
Yes, this election was disappointing. Yes, it did not go our way. But I'll be damned if I let a bunch of politicians determine my future. I will determine my future.

All we can do, is do the best with the hand we are dealt.

Maineboy
11-07-2012, 06:41 PM
It takes all that Red to pay for the Blue. :) I think we are stuck on the electoral vote system, but I agree it is quite interesting looking at the map.

http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t387/Kevin_Root/Posting%20Pictures/644117_487823614583886_1911165067_ncopy.jpg
well put Kevin

BKC
11-07-2012, 06:49 PM
Kevin Root, I'm not ready to move on. I can't just give up on a fight against the people that started the class warfare. I did not start the rich vs. poor, good vs. bad, have vs. the have nots, They are only going to try to rub our nose in it even more.

dying to kill
11-07-2012, 08:54 PM
I tell you guys what the nation honestly doesnt realize how the system works, when you raise the taxes on the business owners they really dont pay a red cent more, they simply raise the price of what it cost to purchase there services or products, and america pays the higher price, then we also get more money taken out of our pay checks. In the end the people that DONT DESIRE TO WORK get the dollar that we bust our butts for.
This said there are many things that we have no control over simply because we are out numbered, my thoughts, keep the lord god first and all the other pieces will fall in place, hes the one that sees the big picture!!!

Edelweiss
11-07-2012, 11:07 PM
Sad day for american outdoorsman!!!

Sad day for Patriots. Outdoorsman has nothing to do with the root of the problems.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, it is it's natural manure.

Thomas Jefferson.

Vanish
11-08-2012, 11:49 AM
I'm going to get crushed for this...

Obama doesn't want to touch gun control on a national level. Anything from the NRA saying otherwise is pure propoganda.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm


Apparently the majority of our country thinks the gov should start making more of our decisions for us.

Yeah, like the Republican support of, for example, pro-life, traditional marriage and internet regulation aren't making decisions for us? (taken straight from: http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Renewing/ )

Also, how about drilling and fracking?

The whole energy independence thing based on oil is baloney. We already ship more local oil overseas than we consume of our local oil (edited for clarity).

Not to mention I like my federal land as a place to hunt ... ever seen what it looks like where they lease out the oil wells?

If you haven't check out this satellite view http://binged.it/TNP6ei Not too quiet either, with the pumping stations sounding like gunfire.

NDHunter
11-08-2012, 12:35 PM
The whole energy independence thing based on oil is baloney. We already ship more crude overseas than we consume.


This quote alone is so blatant and obviously wrong that it COMPLETELY invalidates everything else that you said. The U.S. produces maybe 7-9 million barrels a day of oil and consumes somewhere around 20 million barrels a day. My numbers might be off just a little but that it is a ridiculous claim to make. Also, I might be wrong about this but I thought that it was actually illegal to sell crude overseas.

Sawfish
11-08-2012, 01:05 PM
This quote alone is so blatant and obviously wrong that it COMPLETELY invalidates everything else that you said. The U.S. produces maybe 7-9 million barrels a day of oil and consumes somewhere around 20 million barrels a day. My numbers might be off just a little but that it is a ridiculous claim to make. Also, I might be wrong about this but I thought that it was actually illegal to sell crude overseas.

I do not know about the amounts, but when you witness oil tankers filling up in Houston, and heading overseas, it does make you wonder. The same thing happened during the tiff with Iran in the seventies, and the answer was that we would continue to supply oil to our allies, which probably explains NDHunter's last comment. We did not sell it, we just gave it to them.

Vanish
11-08-2012, 02:00 PM
This quote alone is so blatant and obviously wrong that it COMPLETELY invalidates everything else that you said. The U.S. produces maybe 7-9 million barrels a day of oil and consumes somewhere around 20 million barrels a day.

I'm sorry, I meant of the locally produced oil, we ship more of it overseas than we consume. (edit here: I did say crude, and I was wrong, I meant refined.)

The US is the 9th largest oil exporter in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_exports

The point is ... giving private companies the ability to pull more oil from our lands does nothing at all to ensure that oil stays here.

Also: net-oil product exporter (that includes gasoline):
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html

AKaviator
11-08-2012, 02:20 PM
Vanish,

I honestly hope that no person on this forum would "Crush" you. One of the great things about this site is most people are respectful of the other opinions. That said, I do RESPECTFULLY disagree with you. I believe O'bama will attempt to put more gun control in place now that he has a second term. With Pelosi and Reid still in some power, it will be pushed.

I don't know all the numbers on the oil issue but have worked on the north slope of Alaska where we have big oil fields. Their footprint is getting smaller and smaller with directional drilling, etc. As a rule, the oil companies up here have been great neighbors and bring plenty of good paying jobs. Our nation can use the oil and the economy can use the jobs.

We may have to agree to disagree on which political party wants to impose there agendas on each other the most, but I'll bet both you and I would consider ourselves as conservationists and lovers of our wilderness and wildlife. In that spirit, I wish you well and hope you have a safe and enjoyable outdoor season, however you choose to use it.

Kevin Root
11-08-2012, 04:35 PM
It would be cool if we could always agree. I don't think that it's very much of a surprise that there are some disagreements between the political parties. :)

My concern, this being a hunting forum was concern for the second amendment and the removal of gun rights to the honest law abiding citizens. It's my belief that guns and ammunition don't kill people. People kill people. There are some that feel the second amendment should be continually tweaked and regulated either on a state or federal level. I've just felt more support from the Republican side than Democrat side from my view of looking at it. Perhaps it's also just what I see on the California side of politics out my way has swayed me in that direction.

In the end, we should not pit hunter against hunter. If we can all agree we want to preserve hunting in America on the forum, that perhaps is the common ground between our parties and we should embrace that common ground.

The other political issues mentioned in this thread are also very important issues that bear concern as one votes but then again that comes from each ones perspective, how they view the issues, their resolutions and their personal beliefs. One may see giving rights where another sees them being taken them away. One may see a right, instead of another seeing a wrong.

I may have opened up a can of worms on this thread. I for one hold no ill will to folks here with opposing views or political parties. I however and respectfully may disagree with your view.

Like the thread initially states it's so very important to vote come election day. Just get out and make sure you vote if you can. There are many men and women that have fought or are fighting currently for your freedoms and your privilege to vote.

I'll continue to pray for our all our leaders Democrat or Republican. It's my belief they all need our prayers. God bless America!

Edelweiss
11-09-2012, 03:17 AM
Vanish "your" federal lands? That's quite a sense of entitlement you have there.

If they were really "our" federal lands we could do whatever we wanted on them like hunting in national parks. They are just another government program we need to legislate into a better situation than the one we have.

Remember we have to take the fight to them, but approaching it like they are taking away an entitlement to me just sounds wrong.

Wyoming, Montana and Idaho made that mistake with Yellowstone in the 1990s, and look where we are with the wolves.

We honestly own very little in this life. I would love a conservative grass roots revolution, but this wonderful country of ours has gone to HE double hockey sticks in a hand basket.

ivorytip
11-09-2012, 06:47 AM
anyone notice how bad the stocks dropped after election? tells us al something.

wapiti66
11-09-2012, 07:43 AM
anyone notice how bad the stocks dropped after election? tells us al something.

I agree, tells us that the people with money in the stock market have no faith in the results of this election. Rightfully so, being we have been on a downward spiral and continue to overspend and the "fiscal cliff" doesn't seem to be going away. But you heard Obamas plan, the top people will have to pay "a little more" to help all of those that don't even file taxes in this country. That's his only specific plan I've heard...."tax the rich a little more" Did he ever define WHO the rich are and HOW MUCH a little more is? The plan is stupid, it won't make much of a difference for multi-millionaires, they will still be rich, but it will effect our economy because they are the business owners and they will not expand business under this president policies. As for his anti-gun agenda?? Have you never heard of "fast and furious" You can't possibly say that he wants to leave guns alone on the federal level if you know anything about that SCANDAl/COVER-UP. The reason behind that was to give them "ammo" towards more gun control b/c they were going to be able to prove that the guns were going from the u.s. to mexican cartels...thus giving them evidence that they needed to control guns more tightly. I must say my trust goes to the NRA over this administration, very hard for me to believe how any hunter or supporter of the 2nd ammendment could choose otherwise. And Oil...I think it's evident that with this poor economy the oil/gas industry is an immediate response to increase jobs, revenue, and decrease foreign oil dependance. If you don't think it will grow the economy ask North Dakota. Oh and not to mention $4 gas SUCKS. When Bush was pres all you heard about was how terrible $2 gas was under him, now not a peep about the $4 we have under Obama, and that's simply b/c the mainstream media will do everything it can to destroy republicans while covering up for the democratic party. I also believe the mainstream media...CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC... are to blame for a lot of the problems we are facing bc they won't do their job and report on issues without putting their liberal bias spin on everything. Im with BKC on this class warfare, and I just moved UP into "middle class" status 2 years ago. The democrat party painted the successful and wealthy people in this country as an evil greedy bunch to the people that would rather feel sorry for themselves and sit on their asses and wait on the government to give them something other than taking responsibility for their own life and get a damn job. Welfare doesn't help people get out of poverty, it just holds them their keeping them reliant on the gov, just where the dem party wants them to be so they can have forever control over them, in exchange for their vote. Only a job will help a person come out of poverty. If I sound angry in this post it's bc I am, this country will continue to go downhill under this administration.

Conrad8899
11-09-2012, 04:12 PM
Whatch for the small arms treaty with the un...... It is coming....