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CRIT'R GIT'R
12-15-2012, 01:31 AM
I lost my patience a couple years ago and burned my points on a general unit because I was ready to hunt elk. Now I am living through my wife who is one point behind max. I am full of questions and lack of advice right now so here we go. Anyone hunt Unit 22? Is it worth waiting a few more years? Unit 118, Is the private/access impossible for a DIY non resident? The draw odds are a little better but whats the catch? Unit 111 is getting closer on points but are the bulls as good? She can hunt Archery or Rifle and the rough country is not a problem so just lookin for some advice. 22, 111, 118 lets B.S.

Elktaco
12-15-2012, 01:47 PM
If she is one point behind max she may be waiting a very long time for any of the tags you have mentioned........not trying to be rude just saying.

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-15-2012, 10:06 PM
I was looking at the draw odds and I thought she was starting to get in the running for 111 and 118 Special license but I could be wrong and will look again. I knew she was a ways out for 22 and thats why I was inquiring if it was that much better than the other two to justify the wait. Thanks for the reply and I will check those draw odds again. And I didnt take it as rude, at least you willing to answer and help a guy make up his mind.

Elktaco
12-16-2012, 07:26 AM
Yes if your willing to go with the special tag you will have more options. Good luck with your decision,draw and hunt!

Elkoholic307
12-16-2012, 06:38 PM
My opinion is worth nothing but I would hold out for 22 if those three areas were my only options.

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Thanks Elkoholic for the reply, your opinion does matter. I just picked those areas because the quality seems pretty good and of course the lack of Grizzly and wilderness. I was putting her in for some other areas but the draw odds were not getting any easier. These three are getting closer so I said what the heck. Again I appreciate the reply, happy hunting.

Elkoholic307
12-16-2012, 08:44 PM
I've never hunted those areas; the closest I've been is Area 7. I am interested in 22 though. You may want to consider the Bighorns?

HayHay98
12-17-2012, 10:12 AM
111 is a real sleeper and a good area to archery hunt. There are some good bulls in there with very limited pressure and some good access. This area has limited motorized traffic and has some great foot traffic only areas, not even a wheeled game cart can go in. I'd say a good bull here is going to be in the 330 range with potential to see a 350+. The rifle hunt can be tricky here but again, archery hunting here can be second to none.

22 is obviously worth the wait but that could be a long wait.

Good Luck!

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-17-2012, 11:03 AM
Elkoholic, We had looked at the Bighorns before but was talked out of it by a guy I know. We ended up putting in for 7 last year and I was actually glad she didn't draw just because of the tag numbers. I am sure it is a good area but I was sweating it after the draw deadline because she would rather hunt big bulls with low pressure. Thanks again

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-17-2012, 11:14 AM
HayHay, Thats just the kind of goods I was looking for. I am glad to hear about the "foot soldier"country as that appeals to us. We will put in and see what happens. Where is your Ram from on the picture? Thanks again.

llp
12-17-2012, 01:34 PM
There are zero tags available in the random draw for NR in unit 22. That means unless you have max points it is impossible to draw. This is even true of the Special drawing. It will be many years before your wife will have ANY chance of drawing a unit 22 tag. Crazy system, but the points needed to draw this unit will continue to climb (and stay at max) for the foreseeable future. And the hunting isn't appreciably different than the other units mentioned.
llp

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-17-2012, 07:18 PM
Llp, I was looking at the odds again and your right it would be several years years even at the special price before the max pointers will be out of the pool. Then you still have to draw with the one behind group, so I am going to let her decide. I sure am glad I go to the general units every year, less pre draw stress. Do you know anything about 118? Looks checker boardy on a map. Thanks again

llp
12-21-2012, 02:18 PM
Access in 118 is reasonable, but you will have to pay attention. Most (not all) of the checkerboard is railroad land open to hunting, but some time on the ground would be helpful so you understand the issues before you draw.
llp

HiMtnHnter
12-22-2012, 09:36 AM
Access in 118 is reasonable, but you will have to pay attention. Most (not all) of the checkerboard is railroad land open to hunting, but some time on the ground would be helpful so you understand the issues before you draw.
llp

Most of the checkerboard in 118 is NOT railroad land. A bunch is privately owned ranches and a bunch belongs to Anadarko Petroleum. Some land is accessible if you do you homework, but the elk know where the inaccessible land is!

SouthernWyo
12-22-2012, 10:01 AM
HiMTnHnter, you beat me to the punch. The only areas of the checkerboard in 118 that are open to access without getting landowner permission are the Chain Lakes WGFD unit on the northwest corner, and a shallow strip of land along Highway 287 that has an easement through it for the Continental Divide National Scenic Trail. Neither area holds much in the way of elk (Chain Lakes was purchased for antelope winter range.)

There is a misconception regarding the checkerboard along the historic UP Right-of-Way. There is no "railroad" land, and private land in this strip is NOT open to hunting without permission. The majority of private sections were sold to other private landowners years and years ago. The railroad only kept select strips of stock-driveway, which were owned by UP Resources which have now became Anadarko Petroleum through a merger. Historically and presently, UP Resources and Anadarko allow the leaseholder to determine access. The only leaseholder that I am aware of that allows access without permission is the Rock Springs Grazing Association around Rock Springs (west of unit 118.) All of the leaseholders and private landowners in 118 require permission for access.

There is block public land in the north half of the unit that can be accessed, but the majority of the elk in the unit stay in the south portion, and most stick to the ranches that charge a significant trespass fee, especially when the rifle season starts.

Be carefull of taking advice gained on the all-knowing internet, buyer beware with these tags.

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-25-2012, 06:04 PM
Well that pretty much narrows it down. Thanks for the reply's, 22 or 111 sounds like what we are looking for in central Wyoming. Hopefully in the next few years she can draw so we can go hunt some new ground.

ADavid
12-26-2012, 08:07 PM
Im having the same debate as a resident this year, 22 or 111. ive hunted 19 for the past two years and killed a bull both years but want to explore new territory. Leaning towards 111 because of draw odds but would rather have a 22. cant draw if you dont apply i suppose. good luck to you!

CRIT'R GIT'R
12-27-2012, 11:44 PM
I agree , If your name is not in the hat you cant win. It will be worth the wait either way and I cant wait no matter how long it takes to draw a good area. Into this "Investment" six years, whats another six? Good luck to you A David let me know if you draw and what you pull out of either area.