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BFlores
02-22-2013, 10:23 PM
I'm currently upgrading and switching to UL gear , I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with these packs they look very similar. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance

DryFlyGuy
02-23-2013, 02:52 PM
There is a review being done on these two manufacturer's packs on another forum. I believe it is the Terminus vs. the DT1 on a bikini frame.

armyjoe
02-23-2013, 03:33 PM
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DISCLAIMER!!! - This is not a production pack so please don't call Aron or Angie at Kifaru and flip out that you haven't gotten your new pack yet. This is Aron's prototype pack and ONLY a loaner for a couple weeks for me to try it out and let you guys know my thoughts.

So I was over at Kifaru yesterday and going over this pack with Aron and let me tell you this new bikini frame is top notch in every way. Just one day of use but here are my thoughts so far. I'm not going to go into a detailed DT2 review because everyone by now should have a really good idea on how the pack looks and the features associated with it.


I can sum this frame with one word = COMFORTBALE!!

Craftsmanship - Being a prototype itís a little bit different then the production packs on the webbing. The webbing on this pack is 1" and production is 3/4". As with everything from Kifaru, the stitching and craftsmanship on the new frame are second to none. Double and even triple stitched in every "stress" area on the frame. Itís going to last a lifetime, no doubt. The black pad lining is very soft and no possible abrasive points I can feel or even see.

Fit - Modular is an understatement. There is over 8 inches of adjustability in the frame so you can really fit the frame to you no matter what body type or torso length. There are more attachment points then one man knows what to do with to be honest. About 20 different points. This goes with Kifaru's theme of, they won't phase out any pack or frame. You have so many options on this frame to attach different packs and load carriers its crazy. Honestly, on mine (when I get it) I might cut a few off. Well the fit. Like I said, itís beyond comfortable and how the bikini frame kind of molds to your back is impressive. The padding and material around the shoulder/back pads is a little loose and I wasnít really too sure on how that would feel because of the small amount of give but once I wore it around I realized itís made that way to help the frame and pack move with you instead of being rigid. The frame is hard to describe as a true feel but itís almost between the normal 2 stay Timberline and the sheet Duplex. Itís flexible enough to mold to your back but at the same time rigid enough to provide unlimited support.

First Trip Ė I loaded it up this morning with around 35lbs and did a quick 3 mile loop to see how it felt. Without a doubt its way more comfortable then the duplex with 35lbs in it and I canít repeat myself enough on comfort. The waist belt, being thin, molds to the hip bone like it should and the normal back stays that in the frame are a perfect fit for me. I didnít have one issue with the pack sliding down or it needing any readjustment during the 3 miles. The power pull waist belt held snug even when I jogged for a dozen yards or so.

Weight Ė At 35lbs it was a dream pack thatís for sure. Iím going to do more trips with heavier weights over the next week or so and Iíll post how those weights felt as well. One thing I really liked about the frame that kind of was a shock. The side to side stability of it was impressive. With the pack synched down you can seriously swing back and forth and the pack isnít rotating off your back or hell, even really sliding around much. Last night, I did however load up 83lbs per my scale, and walked just around the block (got some funny looks). Itís like Aron says, the feel after about 50lbs or so feels very similar to the Duplex. The flexibility is there still but the frame real turns load carrying tank. Kifaru did an amazing job on this frame. I will update though when I get another trip with it.

Kryptek HighlanderĖ Awesome camo! Enough said

Any questions or if you want different pics or configurations let me know. PM me or call 480-326-9009 if you want too

Joe

DryFlyGuy
02-24-2013, 07:29 AM
http://vimeo.com/60357093

BFlores
02-24-2013, 08:50 AM
Thanks for the info, it helped a lot I just can't see spending so much money on ultra light gear and having a 9 lb pack . So I want the lightest pack that I can get that wont sacrifice comfort and durability. Thank you so much again.

DryFlyGuy
02-24-2013, 04:47 PM
The Kifaru high camp is worth checking out. 7000 ci at 5 pounds and rated to carry 100+ pounds.

Drhorsepower
02-24-2013, 05:13 PM
The Kifaru high camp is worth checking out. 7000 ci at 5 pounds and rated to carry 100+ pounds.

I bought the 4800, threw on a lid and a few pouches. Can't beat the weight/comfort!

BFlores
02-25-2013, 06:10 AM
Thanks for the info I really like the look of it and the KU5200 and the weight , thank you again

Rock 2.0
02-25-2013, 09:19 AM
I bought the 4800, threw on a lid and a few pouches. Can't beat the weight/comfort!

Did you get yours DR!?

Bitterroot Bulls
02-25-2013, 09:39 AM
Thanks for the info I really like the look of it and the KU5200 and the weight , thank you again

Regarding Kifaru, I strongly suggest you look at the High Camp ahead of the KU5200. The High Camp/ Bikini is more versatile and is made of more durable 500D cordura.

Shaun
02-25-2013, 10:38 AM
Regarding Kifaru, I strongly suggest you look at the High Camp ahead of the KU5200. The High Camp/ Bikini is more versatile and is made of more durable 500D cordura.

x2!!!!!!!!!!

Drhorsepower
02-25-2013, 11:22 AM
Did you get yours DR!?

Not yet rock, mid April I believe is the eta.

X3 on highcamp over Ku. It is also very modular with other kifaru product while the Ku series you are limited to what is in the Ku lineup.

BFlores
02-25-2013, 05:52 PM
Thanks for the advice ill really look into the highcamp as well... Thank you

BFlores
02-25-2013, 06:29 PM
Do you think the highcamp is the superior pack to the Kuiu and stone glacier. I have no experience with any other pack besides my BL 4500.

BFlores
02-28-2013, 12:58 PM
I'm going with the Kifaru Highcamp after much deliberation , and one must consider that it's made in the USA . Thanks everyone for your input and advice.

DryFlyGuy
02-28-2013, 09:06 PM
Let us know how you like it when you get it. Did you go with the highlander camouflage?

Drhorsepower
02-28-2013, 09:15 PM
I'm going with the Kifaru Highcamp after much deliberation , and one must consider that it's made in the USA . Thanks everyone for your input and advice.

When is your ship date?

I have a month and a half until I have to explain to my wife why there is a new pack on the front porch. Eeekkk

BFlores
02-28-2013, 10:20 PM
Didn't get my order in today but I think the multicam, I keep looking at the Timberline and thinking how great it would be with a bikini frame, but ill let you know tomorrow. Thanks again for the info and advice.

Drhorsepower
02-28-2013, 11:31 PM
No doubt on bikini frame. It was explained to me it is 95% of what a duplex timberline is. But this is where the true weight savings comes into play. I have a highcamp on order but i question my judgement of not going with a dt1 or 2. Just more organization.

I'm a small guy and the bikini can probably handle twice of what I can.

DryFlyGuy
03-19-2013, 10:15 PM
I went with the DT1 on the bikini frame. I added a couple of accessories. Now the waiting game until my pack shows up! I haven't received a ship date, but Aron did give me an ETA when I was talking with him on the phone.

I opted to go with the foliage for color. The highlander camo just wasn't worth the extra money to me.

By the time I added the pockets I wanted to the highcamp bag, I was spending more money and had no real weight savings over the DT1. Really, the only thing I would have gotten with the highcamp configured how I had it would have been more cubic inches. I thought the likelihood of a scenario where 8000ci would have been just enough and 7200ci wouldn't cut it was very low. Be that as it may, I can always add pockets or pods to my bag if really necessary.

I did go with a grab-it kit and the gen.2 hanging meat bag.

I hope my pack purchasing days are coming to an end. I said the same thing about my binocular purchasing days recently as well. #confessionsofagearqueen

Drhorsepower
03-19-2013, 10:32 PM
I went with the DT1 on the bikini frame. I added a couple of accessories. Now the waiting game until my pack shows up! I haven't received a ship date, but Aron did give me an ETA when I was talking with him on the phone.

I opted to go with the foliage for color. The highlander camo just wasn't worth the extra money to me.

By the time I added the pockets I wanted to the highcamp bag, I was spending more money and had no real weight savings over the DT1. Really, the only thing I would have gotten with the highcamp configured how I had it would have been more cubic inches. I thought the likelihood of a scenario where 8000ci would have been just enough and 7200ci wouldn't cut it was very low. Be that as it may, I can always add pockets or pods to my bag if really necessary.

I did go with a grab-it kit and the gen.2 hanging meat bag.

I hope my pack purchasing days are coming to an end. I said the same thing about my binocular purchasing days recently as well. #confessionsofagearqueen

Very good choice, I "had" to add a bt3 to my order;) middle of April can't get here soon enough! I talked to Snyder a few days ago, he gave me the impression orders are a little behind schedule but not too bad.

arrowslinger21
03-21-2013, 04:59 PM
I'm currently upgrading and switching to UL gear , I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with these packs they look very similar. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance

Personally I've never worn a stone glacier or a KUIU. I do however, have a good friend who owned a KUIU and had some major troubles with it and sent it back for a refund. I have heard several negative reviews about the KUIU pack frame, which I am sure will get worked out over time but for now I would stay away from KUIU if it was me. I have noticed this site is predominately a Kifaru centered market it seems like. Probably for good reason as they make great packs. Personally I wear a Mystery Ranch and I think you would have to shoot me to get me to wear something else as it stands right now.

So my two cents is this... Stone Glacier, Kifaru, and Mystery Ranch are all worth their weight in gold and between them it comes down to preference and body type. THe MR packs dont fit some guys that well, but for me the MR fits my torso better than a Kifaru in my opinion. I would stay away from KUIU until the issues with their frame get worked out in the future.

Bitterroot Bulls
03-21-2013, 05:44 PM
So my two cents is this... Stone Glacier, Kifaru, and Mystery Ranch are all worth their weight in gold and between them it comes down to preference and body type. THe MR packs dont fit some guys that well, but for me the MR fits my torso better than a Kifaru in my opinion. I would stay away from KUIU until the issues with their frame get worked out in the future.

I have used packs from Kuiu (2011 Icon 6000), Stone Glacier (Terminus), Kifaru (Bikini/HC & Bikini/Duplex1), and Mystery Ranch (6500).

I would say all were top end packs. In my opinion, the Kuiu problems are pretty overstated. I have over 100 miles on one, and haven't had trouble 1. I do prefer the SG and Kifaru to the Kuiu however. The MR was an awesome pack as well, and constructed as well as any of them.

However, the other packs are POUNDS lighter base pack weight than the MR. That is a big difference to many people.

BigSurArcher
03-21-2013, 07:56 PM
Personally I've never worn a stone glacier or a KUIU.

I would stay away from KUIU until the issues with their frame get worked out in the future.

IMO the KUIU issues are resolved. I have a 2011 Kuiu which doesn't fit me well, and I also picked up a 2012 model at their shop a couple weeks ago. Their pack guy explained to me all the differences, and the 2012 is much stronger and more comfortable. No screws in the frame, better padding, etc. The 2012 suspension is very different, and the frame itself is a lot stiffer. All that said, I also have a Kifaru Bikini/ Highcamp coming next month which will most likely be my #1. Once I tried one on it was an instant must-have.

arrowslinger21
03-22-2013, 11:25 PM
IMO the KUIU issues are resolved. I have a 2011 Kuiu which doesn't fit me well, and I also picked up a 2012 model at their shop a couple weeks ago. Their pack guy explained to me all the differences, and the 2012 is much stronger and more comfortable. No screws in the frame, better padding, etc. The 2012 suspension is very different, and the frame itself is a lot stiffer. All that said, I also have a Kifaru Bikini/ Highcamp coming next month which will most likely be my #1. Once I tried one on it was an instant must-have.

I know two different guys that broke the KUIU frame on backcountry hunts. One on a 2011 pack one on a 2012. They might have it fixed but that alone is enough to cause me to shy away from their packs.

Maineboy
04-01-2013, 10:56 PM
I spent 11 days under the 2012 5000 kuiu with no break-in time. I got it two weeks before I left for my hunt. I had a 90 lb pack out on day 11 with zero problems and I've had many other days since the break-in trip. I have been happy with the comfort of the suspension. My only complaint is that the heavy pack out was not my kill; it was my brother's. For whatever it's worth...