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hardstalk
04-05-2013, 05:59 PM
Curious if there are any 264 believers on the site. Ive pondering the idea of liquidating my 270wsm to fund a barrel and revamp on my grandfathers old model 70 264wm (1965 acc. To the numbers) It was handed down a few years ago and has been collecting dust after a couple hundred bucks worth of ammo concluded the barrel was done in on it.

I realize the 270wsm and 264wm are very close as far as ballistics go. Just find myself going back and forth on the decision to part with the 270. Im a one gun kinda guy. Mostly bow hunt but threw in a couple rifle choices this season. I was curious of any pros or cons on both to push me over the edge on making the decision. Thanks in advance fellas!

hvfd21walker
04-05-2013, 06:20 PM
264 is a good caliber. If I ever get the chance to pick one up I will. Just cause.

Colorado Cowboy
04-05-2013, 06:40 PM
That rifle is a classic. A friend used to have one and it shot really well. Unfortunately he sold it without asking me if I wanted it. I would have scooped it up in a heartbeat! I have a .257 Wby that shoots pretty lose to it, but with lighter bullets.

buckbull
04-05-2013, 10:24 PM
.264 is great but I don't think I'd trade it in for the .270wsm that you have.

KILLBUX
04-06-2013, 09:55 AM
I sold a 270wsm a while back to fund a 264 WinMag build. If I had an opportunity to do it again, I would in a heartbeat. If you take a close look at the ballistics, the 264 is right on the heels of a 7mm rem mag with less recoil. If you research the internet, most will complain that the 264 is a barrel burner. Most of the magnum rounds that are common hunting cartridges today could arguably be classified this way as well. My 264 shoots 140 bergers just over 3100 fps, and is not a hot load. GO FOR IT AND DON'T LOOK BACK!

hardstalk
04-06-2013, 10:18 AM
Thanks guys. I have had a few different opinions. Majority lean toward the removal of the 270. Some say go with the 6.5x284. Some say go with the 6.5 creedmore but save the original barrel for future use. Alot of choices with the mod 70 action. I think it boils down ti what do I look for in my only game rifle. I like long distance capability. Minimal recoil (easier to hand off to the wife and still be enjoyable) and im really leaning toward a pack gun so sub 7-6.5 lbs would be ideal. Keep the knowledge coming.

Colorado Cowboy
04-06-2013, 12:28 PM
One thing you must keep in mind....the older cartidges that had/have the reputation as "barrel burners" were started when there was a completely different selection of powders on the market. Today we have some very superior slow burning powders that really lend themselves to these calibers....used to be called "over bore". My .220 Ackley Swift is a perfect example. I have shot 1000's of rounds thru it at around 4,000 fps and there appears to be littl or no barrel wear.

mt-mike
04-06-2013, 04:58 PM
I've stayed loyal to my Pre-'64, Model-70, 264-win mag for about 50-yrs now. Here's a picture of it with a buck taken in November, 2007. It still shoots a tight group at 300-yards. The only trouble I've had is when I've tried to use it in the timber. Very unforgiving if you you hit the smallest twig or fir bough.
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q686/Mt-mike/100_0651_zps53271b35.jpg

hardstalk
04-08-2013, 08:27 AM
Went for it. Dropped off the 270wsm and 264wm to my buddy. He got on it that day. Ripping and tearing apart the 48 year old rifle. I told him to scrap any additional metal and we are debating either a bell and carlson or a mcmillan stock for it. Haven't even shot a rifle since 2010 so im pretty excited to see grandpas ole trusty steed back in action. (With a modern twist of course) here are a few pics he sent yesterday the first one had a quote asking if this is of sentimental value or can he dispose of it. :)5391 the second is the trigger guard he began machining some extra weight from. 5392

sjsmallfield
04-08-2013, 05:17 PM
That fist pic is so funny. A few years back I took apart my grandfathers Remington Bushmaster .30-06 to clean it. The barrel was clean as a whistle but I think he brought home more manzanita in the action than he left in the woods.

1100 Remington Man
04-25-2013, 10:59 AM
I think Winchester hit a home run for the ultimate Western Deer & Antelope Rifle in the .264 Win Mag. I will say if you don't reload look elsewhere. I just last year redid my Model 70 in H S Precision Stock & Cerakote & I could not be happier.

hardstalk
04-25-2013, 12:04 PM
What did the coating cost ya? I went with a bell and carleson stock (military brown with black splatter) and would like to match the action and barrel after fluting is done.

1100 Remington Man
04-25-2013, 09:48 PM
Hardstalk it cost $ 145.00 look up my post updating Model 70. Good Hunting

hardstalk
04-25-2013, 10:07 PM
Wow. Thats almost a duplicate of the stock I ordered! Looks killer. I have been trying to find someone local to do the coating but no luck yet.

trkytrack2
04-26-2013, 12:38 AM
Fantastic caliber and super rifle. Handloading is just about a must; finding any factory ammo is tough but not impossible. The only thing I don't care for in most of the magnum rifles is the 24/26 inch barrel length on most of them. I prefer shorter barrels no longer than 22 inches.

trkytrack2
04-26-2013, 12:43 AM
I've stayed loyal to my Pre-'64, Model-70, 264-win mag for about 50-yrs now. Here's a picture of it with a buck taken in November, 2007. It still shoots a tight group at 300-yards. The only trouble I've had is when I've tried to use it in the timber. Very unforgiving if you you hit the smallest twig or fir bough.
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q686/Mt-mike/100_0651_zps53271b35.jpg

No caliber of rifle will shoot through twigs, brush, etc.; no matter what weight bullet is used; etc., etc.; etc. Anyone that says theirs will, I say PROVE IT.

hardstalk
04-30-2013, 02:37 PM
Finally got the stock. Still shaving weight wherever possible. Just under 6 lbs currently. 549554965497

hardstalk
04-30-2013, 02:42 PM
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packmule
05-07-2013, 06:53 PM
I'm a believer in the 6.5 caliber (260/6.5x284), but not so much the 264 bc I'd rather use that much case capacity to push heavier bullets. Having said that I'm kicking around the idea of getting a 6.5wsm made in an ultralight rifle.

mcseal2
05-25-2013, 05:19 PM
I've taken most of the game in my album with my favorite rifle, originally a 300WM but now a 264WM. I've had excellent terminal performance at a variety of ranges from the 140gr accubond and more recently the 140gr Berger VLD. I truly prefer the performance of the accubond but the Berger cut my groups in half and improved my hits at longer range especially in the wind. I cuss the Berger for doing what it is supposed to rather than exiting but nothing I've shot with it has traveled over 30yds. The 270WSM and 264WM have shown identical excellent terminal performance with the 140gr accubond for me. Biggest disadvantage of the 264 is that it requires a longer rifle to shine. Mine has a 25" barrel but longer adds speed.

For a short easy packing mountain muley or sheep gun, the 270WSM is hard to beat. For real long shots with current bullets the 264WM is darn hard to beat. I love them both.

I think both the 270WSM and 264 will benefit from the new long range accubond when it becomes available. I'm right now in the process of getting my dad's old rifle re-build into a 270 win designed around the 150gr LRAB. After weighing the parts it should be right at 8.36lbs scoped, slung, loaded, and ready to hunt.

hardstalk
05-25-2013, 11:03 PM
Its still in the worx just waiting for a set of tally lightweight rings to mount the vortex scope. Once the scope is on that will be the deciding factor. Keep it a .264 or go the .284 or creedmore route.

hardstalk
06-07-2013, 06:23 PM
Comin along. I dont think lapping the barrel is going to save it though.57715772

RLJ
06-27-2013, 10:21 PM
My dad gave me his 264 in pre 64 Winchester. Love the old bugger, but the 26" stainless barrel wasn't very handy on my one and only dall sheep hunt. I also have a 270 WSM. I like it too.

HuskyMusky
06-28-2013, 09:38 PM
Nothing wrong with either cartridge.

Doesn't the .264win.mag require something in the 24-26" barrel range?
Don't forget about the 6.5-284norma

Personally I'd rather have a rifle in the 22-24" barrel range.

I keep reading about guys wanting a .264 weatherby mag. something to keep an eye out for?

hardstalk
06-28-2013, 09:46 PM
Nothing wrong with either cartridge.

Doesn't the .264win.mag require something in the 24-26" barrel range?
Don't forget about the 6.5-284norma

Personally I'd rather have a rifle in the 22-24" barrel range.

I keep reading about guys wanting a .264 weatherby mag. something to keep an eye out for?

Mine may be the sporty model. I believe the barrel is a 22". Once I get it back from cerakote I want to research more on the numbers.

hardstalk
07-02-2013, 06:36 PM
She is coming along wonderfully. Got the bolt back and the gun cerrakoted. Few more pieces to the puzzle and she should be in my pack ready for october. 598159825983

mcseal2
08-10-2013, 09:44 AM
Looks really nice!

Do you know what bullet you want to try? Especially with the shorter barrel I'd be on the lookout for the new 129gr Accubond Longrange to keep velocity up. They have been awful hard to find, might want to have them waiting for the rifle to arrive. As I said earlier, the 140gr accubond or Berger have performed real well for me too.

hardstalk
08-10-2013, 11:58 AM
We ended up shooting close to a hundred rounds trying to find a good load. Ended up with 130's. this is a 5 shot group @200 yards w/15 mph crosswinds. 6208

mcseal2
08-10-2013, 03:23 PM
Looks like it is shooting good

buckbull
08-10-2013, 09:33 PM
I keep reading about guys wanting a .264 weatherby mag. something to keep an eye out for?

I'm familiar with .257 weatherby and didn't realize folks were wildcatting the cartridge by necking it up to a .264. Learn something all the time.

hardstalk
08-18-2013, 06:55 PM
A bit more load testing today. This was the best of the day 5 shot @100http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/19/nahube7a.jpg
Center was 1st shot I think it was me.

BobT
08-18-2013, 10:32 PM
Even with the flier it's still a pretty nice group! I have been watching this thread with interest since you started it. I picked up a fairly early push feed M70 in .264 about the time you started yours. I have been working with the 140 grain bullets so far, I would like to try the Accubond long range but I haven't seen them yet. Mine has a 24" barrel that I will replace with something longer and heavier when it's time to swap barrels. I just put a Hogue stock on mine and topped it off with a 4.5-14 Leupold MK4 PR. My goal is an 8" steel plate at 880 yards. If I can get a good load worked up in time I will take it pronghorn hunting this fall!

Bob

hardstalk
08-19-2013, 04:56 AM
Even with the flier it's still a pretty nice group! I have been watching this thread with interest since you started it. I picked up a fairly early push feed M70 in .264 about the time you started yours. I have been working with the 140 grain bullets so far, I would like to try the Accubond long range but I haven't seen them yet. Mine has a 24" barrel that I will replace with something longer and heavier when it's time to swap barrels. I just put a Hogue stock on mine and topped it off with a 4.5-14 Leupold MK4 PR. My goal is an 8" steel plate at 880 yards. If I can get a good load worked up in time I will take it pronghorn hunting this fall!

Bob

We have had much better luck with 130 lately. We tried like hell to make the 140's tight because a buddy bought a bunch for his creedmore that did not work out very well and he offered to give them to me. Here is a pic of yesterdays loads. All with reloader 22. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/19/6uve9e3a.jpg the sgk 130 did great. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/19/tydy8ybe.jpg but the pic in yesterdays post was the 130 black tip. And setting the pills out as far as possible made a drastic difference also. 60.5 is looking like the magic #. The recent pics are with me behind the trigger. Mind you I haven't shot a rifle in a couple years since I started bowhunting. My confidence is thru the roof!http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/19/yvyqedev.jpg

mcseal2
08-20-2013, 06:15 PM
Your confidence should be high. Time to practice some field shooting and then get ready to hunt.

Codave101
08-21-2013, 09:51 PM
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad180/Codave101/DSCN1166.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/Codave101/media/DSCN1166.jpg.html) Love my 264 win mag. Shoots well also.http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad180/Codave101/100yard26412shots020.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/Codave101/media/100yard26412shots020.jpg.html)

hardstalk
08-22-2013, 09:40 AM
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad180/Codave101/DSCN1166.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/Codave101/media/DSCN1166.jpg.html) Love my 264 win mag. Shoots well also.http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad180/Codave101/100yard26412shots020.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/Codave101/media/100yard26412shots020.jpg.html)

Identical to mine before the rebuild. Except mine had 3 generations of abuse to the stock and wasn't in nearly as good of shape.

BobT
08-28-2013, 05:42 AM
We have had much better luck with 130 lately. We tried like hell to make the 140's tight because a buddy bought a bunch for his creedmore that did not work out very well and he offered to give them to me. Here is a pic of yesterdays loads. All with reloader 22.

Thanks, I'll have to give the 130s a try. Nice shooting rifle!

Bob