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nitis
07-09-2013, 06:41 PM
We try and hunt Northern California Xzones Nevada and Idaho routinely and would like to get some quality binos.

I know you get what you pay for but Swarovski and the others that are $1000 and up just are not in the cards right now. I know some of the upstart companies have some good stuff as well as some that have come out with some budget minded stuff made with cheaper labor

I am thinking I want 10X42s

Highly considering ZenRays, The new Zeiss and anything else in that $400 price point

hardstalk
07-09-2013, 06:45 PM
I would give a good look to the talons by vortex. Seem close to your price range and really good bang for the buck! I sent ya a pm also.

ando_31
07-09-2013, 07:04 PM
Do some research on these. They also have a 50 dollar rebate right now.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/706643-USA/Vanguard_ENDEAVOR_ED_1045_Endeavor_ED_1045_10_5x45 .html

packmule
07-09-2013, 07:11 PM
Could try out a pair of Minox.

ssliger
07-09-2013, 07:59 PM
Do some research on these. They also have a 50 dollar rebate right now.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/706643-USA/Vanguard_ENDEAVOR_ED_1045_Endeavor_ED_1045_10_5x45 .html

A buddy of mine got these and they seem pretty nice. Watch Camofire, I think he paid $270

Umpqua Hunter
07-09-2013, 08:04 PM
Up until last year, all of my binoculars and spotting scopes were Swarovski since the mid 1990's. Last year I ordered a Vortex Razor HD spotting scope, later Vortex Talons for a son's graduation, and today Vortex Diamondbacks for my younger sons birthday.

The glass is excellent and a big piece of my strategy is with the Vortex no fault lifetime warranty (fully transferrable and no paperwork) it will be great if/when it's time to resell and upgrade.

Musket Man
07-09-2013, 08:26 PM
Buy the best you can afford. I had $400 binos (steiner predators) and after 2 or 3 years they got blury. I got Swarovski EL 10x42 after that (they were only about $1400 at that time). That was over 10 years ago and they are as clear today as the day I bought them. IMO cheap glass is the most expensive thing you can buy after you have to replace them. I know there are quality binos available for alot less then Swarovski's and at todays prices I would look at other options too if I were looking for new glass. Cabelas Euro's look good for the price but I have never used them. You may also want to look around on ebay, sometimes you can find something thats barley used for alot less then new.

packmule
07-09-2013, 08:54 PM
No doubt on buying the best you can afford. I've got an old, old pair of aus Jenas that are still very clear compared to most mid level binocs.

hvfd21walker
07-09-2013, 09:08 PM
Vortex is hands down the best glass for the money IMO. BB will be chiming in here pretty soon I imagine. He is the forums optics guy.

hardstalk
07-09-2013, 09:12 PM
Vortex is hands down the best glass for the money IMO. BB will be chiming in here pretty soon I imagine. He is the forums optics guy.

You missed him already :)

Musket Man
07-09-2013, 09:26 PM
You missed him already :)

My money (which isnt much these days) is on BB will recommend Vortex :)

Umpqua Hunter
07-09-2013, 09:36 PM
Buy Vortex today, shop around and get yourself a smoking deal. Save up for Swarovski's and in a few years sell the Vortex on Ebay (along with the lifetime warranty) and buy the Swarovskis. It will probably cost you less than $25 or $30 a year to own the Vortex if you hold on to them for 5 years.

Bitterroot Bulls
07-09-2013, 09:52 PM
Thanks for the intro guys!

Buying the best you can afford is great advice, but you already told us you can afford $400. As predicted, I really like the Vortex Talons for $400. I am with UH that warranty plays a big role here. Although I wouldn't expect the Talons to go south in 4 years, but if they did I am absolutely confident Vortex would take care of you, and QUICKLY.

I do think the Zeiss Terra is worth a good look, but as good as Zeiss' customer service and warranty is, it isn't as good as Vortex. I would never hesitate to get a used Vortex binocular either, because Vortex takes care of their customers whether they buy used or new.

clacklin009
07-09-2013, 11:51 PM
Right now the Nikon Monarch 5's are either on sale or will be going on sale. Sportsman's Warehouse has them marked down $40. Nikon is putting ED glass in all the Monarch 5's so the "old" model should be getting cleared out. Some places will have them marked down others will not. At the regular sales price the Monarch 5 is seen by many in the optics industry as being the best for the money. If you are looking at spending more money the Monarch 7's are awesome. All the rest that have been talked about are great also, just didn't hear the Monarch being brought up so I thought I would give it a mention.

frogman43
07-10-2013, 04:11 PM
Could try out a pair of Minox.




Yep, try Minox. I love my 10x52 HG's!

shootbrownelk
07-11-2013, 12:33 AM
Right now the Nikon Monarch 5's are either on sale or will be going on sale. Sportsman's Warehouse has them marked down $40. Nikon is putting ED glass in all the Monarch 5's so the "old" model should be getting cleared out. Some places will have them marked down others will not. At the regular sales price the Monarch 5 is seen by many in the optics industry as being the best for the money. If you are looking at spending more money the Monarch 7's are awesome. All the rest that have been talked about are great also, just didn't hear the Monarch being brought up so I thought I would give it a mention.

I have a pair of Nikon Monarch X's and have no complaints so far. They're clear & bright & Cabela's had them on sale, just over $400

jarheadhunter
07-11-2013, 01:04 PM
I would say if what you can afford is $400 right now I would either get the Talons or take out a loan for another $200 and get the Viper HD. They are very nice glass for the price.

digger11
07-11-2013, 03:40 PM
Take a look at Hawke Frontier with the ED glass.I bought a pair as nock around truck binos and find my Swarovski Slc
staying home a lot.If I drive off and leave them on a rock it's
not the end of the world.

ELR
07-12-2013, 09:25 PM
If you have a Scheels Sport anywhere near you check out the Paragon and or the Paragon HD. They have, 8x42, and 10x42. Check em out at scheelssports.com, they are very clear and have a warranty that's unbelievable

nitis
08-07-2013, 10:40 PM
Ok. Went to sportsmans today and unknown you can't really tell by looking at things in a building. But one little thing I noticed was with the zeiss terra was as I was using the dial to focus it seemed as if there was a smaller place for a clear focus in the adjustment. Meaning the others I could move the adjustment a little bit and still have focus but with the terra if I wasn't spot on it got blurry quick.

How could or would that translate to real world? I am not a binocular snob by any means. I want to like the zeiss because o their price point and with the basspro sale I can get some for about 329. But what is their warranty

Looking at the vortex talons I am pretty sure they are the same as the zen ray as the look so much alike. Zen ray are less $$ but will they be there in 5 years I I need warranty?

Finally will the vipers be worth the difference in$$.

hardstalk
08-07-2013, 10:56 PM
Did you set the diopter on any of the binos?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CyY1Brv6KjI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCyY1Brv6KjI

It will make a big difference in your range of focus even when looking thru demo/shelf binos.

Without being a bino "snob" I dont think you would notice much a difference between the talons and vipers. The talons are one of my favorite binos from vortex.

nitis
08-07-2013, 11:19 PM
Negative only used the adjustment dial in the middle.

I think I am torn between the zeiss terra and vortex talon

But the talon will cost me about $100 more than the terra and with the basspro trade in deal the viper is only another $50 over the talons so where does it end?

hardstalk
08-07-2013, 11:56 PM
Negative only used the adjustment dial in the middle.

I think I am torn between the zeiss terra and vortex talon

But the talon will cost me about $100 more than the terra and with the basspro trade in deal the viper is only another $50 over the talons so where does it end?

Ohh the horror! :) its fun shopping. No fun spending. I have never used the zeiss but im sure you cant go wrong with any of your choices.

One thing to keep in mind is that extra 50 can go toward a bino-tripod adapter or a new bino harness to keep those shiny new binos safe from dirt/debris while hunting.

hoshour
08-08-2013, 05:05 AM
I love my Minox 10x42s I bought a few years ago.

I really like the Vortex warranty though, and might buy the Talons if I were buying today. The warranty was one of the reasons I went with Vortex when I bought my spotting scope this year.

TooFarEast
08-08-2013, 05:48 AM
I love my Minox 10x42s I bought a few years ago.

I really like the Vortex warranty though, and might buy the Talons if I were buying today. The warranty was one of the reasons I went with Vortex when I bought my spotting scope this year.

FYI - Minox also has a "no fault" warranty.

ando_31
08-08-2013, 06:43 PM
Is that a limited warranty or lifetime? Original owner only?

nitis
08-08-2013, 07:14 PM
Which minix would be comparable?

hoshour
08-08-2013, 09:22 PM
Per Doug at CamerlandNY -

The Minox warranty reads as follows:
"By registering your purchase you will gain the full benefits of our MINOX Lifetime Total Coverage Warranty. This extraordinary plan provides protection against manufactures defects, functional failures, or any accidental damages to the covered Product, including breakage, water damage or any accident.
Please make sure, that your MINOX sport optics binocular or spotting scope is registered online at www.minox.com/usa/warranty within 30 days from the date of purchase."

Sounds like just the original owner gets the lifetime warranty but you could always call them to see.

Murdy
08-08-2013, 09:55 PM
The Minox 10x42 "German BL" binos have been on camofire lately as well for $300 -- No idea if this is the Minox bino you all are referring to.