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hubba20
09-20-2013, 07:25 PM
Alright I just put in for my bonus points so it's got me looking ahead to next year...
I have 4 elk points and 3 deer points going into 2014... What are the best units I could draw for deer and elk? I'm looking for some 330"+ bull areas and some 170"+ buck areas... Is it realistic to be able to get either tag with the amount of points I have... I'm a NV resident so its a long drive so I'm trying to make it worth it.
What are your guys' opinions??

Ikeepitcold
09-20-2013, 07:37 PM
We need to hook up! I have 5 for deer. Elk and Antelope. I also am looking for good info on the same as you. I do have some contacts in the Wy area if you know what I mean but I want some options for sure. I want Antelope for sure in 14 and since it was supposed to be 100% last year and I didn't draw I'm really looking forward to it in 14.

We don't want your honey holes just a good place to start! Hahhahha what's that? Like 50 something? Lets ask this way. We want your honey hole and GPS works too. Thanks

hubba20
09-20-2013, 07:42 PM
ha good way to put it... honey holes, please! ha

AT Hiker
09-20-2013, 08:57 PM
If I were you (I am just a couple years behind on points) I would get my elk tag. If its open for deer on a 2nd choice tag then I would get a deer tag to continue to build points. Then the following year you could draw a good deer tag. You could also use your elk hunt to scout for deer as well if your elk area lies in a LQ deer area.

I personally would not want to draw a premium Elk and Deer tag in the same year, I think I would stress to much over it.

Next you need to ask yourself if you want to do a DIY or hire a guide. They both have pros and cons of course, but the biggest con for WY on a DIY hunt is the stupid wilderness law for NR.

Do you subsrcibe to Eastmans? If so, check out all the blue chip elk units and go from there. With 4 points and using the special application you should be able to draw a good to great unit.

mnhunter
09-21-2013, 06:59 AM
I think you definitely need to look at doing this over the course of a couple years. If you only give yourself 7 days to hunt and on the 3rd day you shoot an elk, you will likely only have 2 days left to try and hunt muleys. If it were me I would try and find hunt areas that overlap and then try and draw the tag for the animal that is the lower priority for you personally and hunt that first, giving yourself a chance to learn the area, or at least try and draw a cow tag int he area first so you can go in and start to learn the ground. More people shoot nice elk/deer from hunting the same mediocre area year after year than on premium tags for a reason, they know the ground.

Umpqua Hunter
09-21-2013, 10:01 AM
ELK: Each year I am tracking pretty much all of the draw units in Wyoming. I have max points and my wife has 4 points so she is in the same boat as you are. The problem is that there are still a LOT of max point holders in the draw. Even in the "special" draw, odds are around 10% for max point holders for the best units. All of the top units are still clogged up with max point applicants. I am having a difficult time picking a unit for my wife to apply in where she would have a good chance to draw so she usually just goes in for a random draw in one of the better units. If you want to draw in the next few years, your best bet will be to pick a difficult to access unit (due to private land) and navigate into public land using a GPS and a land status card and plan on putting in a few miles on foot to access areas not hunted by day hunters.

DEER: Region G general season tag, 170+ bucks are there but it is a general unit with unlimited pressure from residents.

In 30 years of Western hunting I've killed one buck over 170 and three bulls over 330. Your trophy goals are up there. I would suggest hunting deer and elk in separate years with your goals.

hubba20
09-21-2013, 11:41 AM
Thanks for all the info guys. I would really like to hunt region g for deer. I really enjoy packing in and hunting with camp on my back. And I know region g is an area that holds some really good bucks but from what I've seen it doesn't hold that great of bulls. Any areas you guys would recommend that holds good bucks and bulls so I could go on a deer hunt there next year, have a good chance at finding a few decent bucks, learn the area, then come back next year (2015) and go hunt bull elk....? Any units where I could do that...???

If there arent any units that have good deer AND elk numbers, thats ok... I can hunt region G for deer, and the next year come back and hunt elk in a different area... It just would be nice to be able to hunt the same area to be able to get to know it better for the following season...

Shooter
09-21-2013, 05:52 PM
With less than max pts for deer G is a no brainer. Big bucks and tons of public land. Without max pts for elk I think the general tag is the beat bet especially if your willing to hunt with archery gear. And for antelope there are lots of units to kill a 75-80+ inch buck. The one thing antelope pts does help with is public land. The more pts an antelope unit takes to draw the more puplic land the unit will have most of the time.

hubba20
09-21-2013, 06:06 PM
alright. well what im starting to think is the best option is that we put in for region G deer next year and we can hunt that next year... while we're hunting deer we can see if its worth elk hunting the following year... if its good, we come back... if not, then we look for a different area.. right now we arent worried about antelope but we will maybe want to do that in the future so thank you for the info!

mattdeere
09-21-2013, 06:22 PM
What part of Region G are you thinking about going?

hubba20
09-21-2013, 06:46 PM
to be honest I have no idea. Thats why I came here! haha... Once we decided FOR SURE that we're going there then i can really start looking into it... all i know now is there are good bucks in there and I'm down to go anywhere I need to to find some good bucks to hunt.
I'm guessing that most of the good areas in Region G are going to be backpack/horse pack type in hunts right??

hubba20
09-21-2013, 06:51 PM
just a quick question. can you put in for whitetail AND mule deer at the SAME time in WY? just curious

mattdeere
09-21-2013, 07:06 PM
In some areas that hold whitetail and mule deer you can use the same tag for either deer. I'm quite certain you cannot put in for 2 different tags in 2 different areas.is that what you were asking?

wyohunter1
09-21-2013, 07:06 PM
just a quick question. can you put in for whitetail AND mule deer at the SAME time in WY? just curious
No you can't, I think the G & F was talking about it to draw more revenue.

hubba20
09-21-2013, 07:14 PM
ya i was takling about 2 different tags in 2 different areas.... i didnt think you would be able to... thanks

does anyone happen to have the Region G boundaries map for Google Earth so i can see the unit boundaries?? or know where I could find it?

mattdeere
09-21-2013, 07:19 PM
If you decide on G than I would start with a forest service map and study some areas. There are a lot of guys on this forum that would be willing to share some info with you if you ask politely. I have 2 PP and am considering putting in for G next year in the special draw. If I draw it I would hunt south of Lake Alice. A lot of guys will hunt up towards Thayne also.

hubba20
09-21-2013, 10:06 PM
So I looked at the draw odds on Wyoming f & g website for Region G and I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but with 3 pp I have about 50% draw odds?? Is that right??
http://wgfd.wyo.gov/web2011/Departments/Hunting/pdfs/DRAW_DEER_PP_NONRES_20130004265.pdf

Musket Man
09-21-2013, 10:21 PM
The drawing odds are in the MRS.

mattdeere
09-21-2013, 10:37 PM
So I looked at the draw odds on Wyoming f & g website for Region G and I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but with 3 pp I have about 50% draw odds?? Is that right??
http://wgfd.wyo.gov/web2011/Departments/Hunting/pdfs/DRAW_DEER_PP_NONRES_20130004265.pdf

100% in the Special Draw!

mnhoundman
09-22-2013, 08:04 AM
I'm thinking the same thing. After this year I have 2 elk points and 4 deer want to do a pack in hunt looking at G. Not quite sure what part of G to start with though.

Ikeepitcold
09-22-2013, 08:52 AM
I think you definitely need to look at doing this over the course of a couple years. If you only give yourself 7 days to hunt and on the 3rd day you shoot an elk, you will likely only have 2 days left to try and hunt muleys. If it were me I would try and find hunt areas that overlap and then try and draw the tag for the animal that is the lower priority for you personally and hunt that first, giving yourself a chance to learn the area, or at least try and draw a cow tag int he area first so you can go in and start to learn the ground. More people shoot nice elk/deer from hunting the same mediocre area year after year than on premium tags for a reason, they know the ground.

I agree for sure. I would never try to get all three the same year. One at a time

Ikeepitcold
09-22-2013, 08:59 AM
So slightly differant question. Can a guy hunt antelope one year while scouting for deer to hunt the fallowing year in the same unit that has trophy bucks? 80"+ and 180"+

Musket Man
09-22-2013, 10:48 AM
Hey IKIC thats the unit I been looking for! Let me know when you find it;) All I want is a unit full of 80 and 180 bucks that I can draw every other year with no hunting pressure. Really I would like it to have plenty of 330 bulls too. That way each could take up to 2 points to draw and I could still hunt it every year.

hubba20
09-22-2013, 12:14 PM
I noticed that the hunter success in region G was right around 25% and unit 89 had about 83% hunter success rates. Unit 89 would take me about 5-6 points to draw the tag but do you guys think it would be worth the 3 year wait?? I don't think the deer quality will be much better but there will be a lot less pressure and better chance of killing a buck with 83% success rates!! What do you guys think? What would you do? Is unit 89 worth waiting 6 years??

mattdeere
09-22-2013, 01:04 PM
I noticed that the hunter success in region G was right around 25% and unit 89 had about 83% hunter success rates. Unit 89 would take me about 5-6 points to draw the tag but do you guys think it would be worth the 3 year wait?? I don't think the deer quality will be much better but there will be a lot less pressure and better chance of killing a buck with 83% success rates!! What do you guys think? What would you do? Is unit 89 worth waiting 6 years??

IMO, it's not a bad idea to save up points in a state in hopes of drawing one of those coveted tags. But I would also have a couple of other areas that I could go OTC or draw with a point or 2. You need to keep hunting to keep your skills honed and every 5-6 years would suck for me. I'm not a "TROPHY" hunter as most any buck suits me. There are a lot of good general areas in the western US that hold 170" bucks. I'd bet money that there are several guys on this site that consistently harvest BIG bucks in easy to draw units. A lot of it boils down to familiarity with an area. I have some friends that hunt Elk in Montana who have killed bulls darn near every year based on there knowledge of the area. We went 6 for 6 last year on opening weekend. All public land with heavy resident pressure. Hope this helps.

hubba20
09-22-2013, 04:19 PM
That's the big question I have I guess. My brother and I hunt in Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada and Utah so we usually have 1-2 tags each every year. Sometimes 3 if we get lucky ha. So I'm going to have places to hunt. Next year I have 3 pp in Colorado so we are pretty much guaranteed a high country archery deer tag. I have 2 deer points in Nevada so I have a good chance at that. Not to mention 7 archery elk points so I have decent chance to get that. And then Utah General deer. So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't HAVE to hunt Wyoming next year. I have been wanting to for quite a few years now so that's what I would like to do, but I also have another options. But I do have enough points to get Region G so if I'm going to hunt G I should try to get it next year so that I'm not building points for an area that I can already draw now. . If it's not worth it to get region G then I can just wait a few years and try to get unit 89 and have a 'better' hunt.
What do you guys think?

Ikeepitcold
09-22-2013, 04:44 PM
Hey IKIC thats the unit I been looking for! Let me know when you find it;) All I want is a unit full of 80 and 180 bucks that I can draw every other year with no hunting pressure. Really I would like it to have plenty of 330 bulls too. That way each could take up to 2 points to draw and I could still hunt it every year.


Hahhahha ya well I figured its a lot to ask for but it's very doable in Nv. Just not sure if it is in Wy.

Musket Man
09-22-2013, 06:02 PM
Hahhahha ya well I figured its a lot to ask for but it's very doable in Nv. Just not sure if it is in Wy.

Are you kidding! I cant draw a tag in NV to save my life.... Atleast I can hunt WY every year, even if its on a 2nd choice leftover tag they cant git rid of its better then nothing! LOL

Musket Man
09-22-2013, 06:11 PM
I wouldnt go just on success rates. General hunts are OTC to residents and there are probably alot more road hunters and guys not really hunting then there is in a unit that takes a few points to draw.

Ikeepitcold
09-22-2013, 06:22 PM
Are you kidding! I cant draw a tag in NV to save my life.... Atleast I can hunt WY every year, even if its on a 2nd choice leftover tag they cant git rid of its better then nothing! LOL

So true. Same for me. Sorry I wasn't talking about every year. I ment with 5 points on each going into the draw. In Nv a guy SHOULD be able to hunt deer and antelope in a trophy area for both.

Musket Man
09-22-2013, 06:31 PM
So true. Same for me. Sorry I wasn't talking about every year. I ment with 5 points on each going into the draw. In Nv a guy SHOULD be able to hunt deer and antelope in a trophy area for both.

Now I see what you are saying. I think there are areas in WY that would be great for both but getting tags is prob another story...

Ikeepitcold
09-22-2013, 06:51 PM
Now I see what you are saying. I think there are areas in WY that would be great for both but getting tags is prob another story...

I figured as much. Thanks for the input

Umpqua Hunter
09-22-2013, 10:02 PM
That's the big question I have I guess. My brother and I hunt in Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada and Utah so we usually have 1-2 tags each every year. Sometimes 3 if we get lucky ha. So I'm going to have places to hunt. Next year I have 3 pp in Colorado so we are pretty much guaranteed a high country archery deer tag. I have 2 deer points in Nevada so I have a good chance at that. Not to mention 7 archery elk points so I have decent chance to get that. And then Utah General deer. So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't HAVE to hunt Wyoming next year. I have been wanting to for quite a few years now so that's what I would like to do, but I also have another options. But I do have enough points to get Region G so if I'm going to hunt G I should try to get it next year so that I'm not building points for an area that I can already draw now. . If it's not worth it to get region G then I can just wait a few years and try to get unit 89 and have a 'better' hunt.
What do you guys think?

Hubba, I don't think you are going to catch Unit 89 for deer anytime soon. Keep in mind that most good draw units have point creep. For one unit I am applying for in Colorado for elk, it takes 5-7 years only to catch up just one point. You can't just look how many points it takes to draw, subtract how many points you have and think that is when you will draw the tag.

For Wyoming Unit 89 deer you can see the points it takes to draw increases by about one point each year:

Special license (2009) 2 points for a 100% draw
Special license (2010) 2.5 points for a 100% draw
Special license (2011) 3.5 points for a 100% draw
Special license (2012) 4.5 points for a 100% draw
Special license (2012) 5.5 points for a 100% draw

Regular license (2009) 3 points for a 100% draw
Regular license (2010) 4 points for a 100% draw
Regular license (2011) 5 points for a 100% draw
Regular license (2012) 5.5 points for a 100% draw
Regular license (2013) 6.5 points for a 100% draw

hubba20
09-22-2013, 10:46 PM
Ya I kinda thinking it would have some point creep. I think my bro and I pretty much decided we're gonna do region G and work hard and see if we can't knock some bucks over. We're planing on hunting the archery hunt. Any starting points of where we could get packed in 5-10 miles away from the crowds?? I've never been to region G so any help would be good! Still a long time till 2014 so I can do lots of research later I guess ha