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roscoe
10-26-2013, 03:21 PM
Never too early to start thinking about next year hunting season. I am 1 year behind max points and am ready to draw a Wyoming elk tag. looking at the bighorns and eastmans mrs section is pointing me toward units 38 or 45. not looking for any specifics just a unit # P.M. if you wanna keep it quiet or give any additional info. would also consider unit 117 as it is really close to home and I know the elk on the SD very well, just worried about finding elk on small amount of public land.

I am a DIY Public land hunter not scared too hike/hunt rougher terrain.

I am a SD resident and chase elk every fall in black hills unit H2 if anyone needs any info there P.M. me

jenbickel
10-29-2013, 09:18 AM
That's a tough decision!! Both units are great units! I hunt 38 as long as I draw it. Lol there are some great bulls in the unit and I know it.very well. That's why I always choose 38. I have friends that hunt 45 and have great luck every year. If you decide to go with 38, let me know and I will give you some advice :)

buckbull
10-29-2013, 09:27 AM
45 is a mucher tougher draw than 38. If it were me, I would do 45 with the points you have.

Eberle
10-29-2013, 04:11 PM
In 2012 Unit 38 any weapon took 4 points 100% draw & archery took 5 points 60% draw.

In 2012 Unit 45 took 6 points 100% draw for both any weapon and archery.

2013 stats should be out in a week or two.

NDHunter
10-29-2013, 05:03 PM
2013 draw odds are out. Looks like for the special tag you should be able to draw it. On the regular license, it will probably be iffy.

Here are my 2 cents (somebody correct me if I'm wrong): Don't get the type 9 tag for 45. If you draw the type 1 tag, obviously you can rifle hunt but you can also bowhunt there from Sept 15-30.

wapiti66
10-29-2013, 09:50 PM
I hunted 45 this year, had 5 points but applied for the special tag (type 9) and drew. 3 of us had tags and we brought home 2 bulls. Hunted 6th-13th and then dad went back for the last 5 days of season and still never had any luck. We saw a lot of elk and some good bulls too. We hired an outfitter and spent half our trip in a spike camp several miles in the backcountry. I think we were a week early before the rut really began, elk were bugling good but wouldn't come in to any call we tried. Guides said that was the worst rut season he has experienced in that area. It was a good trip, we had a great time and became good friends with the guides, Im going to start building points again to get back up there. We saw some good bulls and I was in elk everyday, but we didn't bring home anything big. I have no experience with 38, this was my first year in wyoming and im ready to go back.

roscoe
10-31-2013, 09:14 PM
Between P.M.'s and post here its pretty split! looks like I can't go wrong with either Unit. I would love to hunt the bighorns for elk/deer every other year or so(I am aware of draw odds and realize this is 2-3 deer tags to 1 elk tag), and would prefer to get familiar with 1 area. I know the deer and elk units are not the same but believe they overlap some. Which area offers good hunting opportunity for deer and elk?

roscoe
10-31-2013, 09:18 PM
Thanks to everyone for the info!

Topgun 30-06
12-03-2013, 09:08 PM
The elk rut in the Bighorns was real late this year and was still going and the bulls bugling, fighting, chasing when we took a 6x7 nontypical bull and a cow from a big herd on opening of rifle season on 10/9 in unit 49 to the south of 45. We took another 5x5 bull the following week and the rut was winding down, but they were still doing some bugling. We also took a cow the last week of the season and there was still some bugling going on, which is as late as I've ever seen it out there and I hunt every year.

Grizz
12-03-2013, 09:35 PM
Both units are great but I have to go with Jen on this one. It is 38 for me all the way. I too know it exceptionally well and cannot sing the praises of 38 enough. I might say the same of 45 if I knew it as well. The nice thing about 38 is the ability to "follow the herd" if snow pushes them down low. There is a vast array of terrain types and one can hunt from the road and day hike into places or get pretty buried in the bush via backpack, it all depends on what you like. I've done both in there and the quality of the hunts is always wonderful. This last Labor Day weekend found me tagless but a good buddy had drawn 38. We car camped and hunted around our camp. We were in elk the entire time we were out and he punched his tag on a nice bull the third day. He wasn't looking for a trophy and wanted a soft bed each night. Short hikes and lots of elk made for a comfortable, relaxing, and enjoyable hunt. That being said the times I've packed in deeper have been great as well. It all depends on what a hunter is looking for. My two pesos.

jenbickel
12-05-2013, 03:53 PM
Both units are great but I have to go with Jen on this one. It is 38 for me all the way. I too know it exceptionally well and cannot sing the praises of 38 enough. I might say the same of 45 if I knew it as well. The nice thing about 38 is the ability to "follow the herd" if snow pushes them down low. There is a vast array of terrain types and one can hunt from the road and day hike into places or get pretty buried in the bush via backpack, it all depends on what you like. I've done both in there and the quality of the hunts is always wonderful. This last Labor Day weekend found me tagless but a good buddy had drawn 38. We car camped and hunted around our camp. We were in elk the entire time we were out and he punched his tag on a nice bull the third day. He wasn't looking for a trophy and wanted a soft bed each night. Short hikes and lots of elk made for a comfortable, relaxing, and enjoyable hunt. That being said the times I've packed in deeper have been great as well. It all depends on what a hunter is looking for. My two pesos.

Yay!!!! Someone agrees with me!! :)

Musket Man
12-06-2013, 07:45 PM
I got my eye on 38 but I need a couple more points to draw it. Good to hear some good things about it!

NE69
12-07-2013, 05:11 PM
I hunted 45 this year. Had 6 points and drew type 1. I had the type 9 tag first year they went to pp. I wouldn't go the type 9 again either. I bowhunted this year and saw a ton of big bulls. Went back for start of rifle and saw lot of smaller 6 points. Ended up with a 5 point Nov. 3rd.
I have 8 years getting to know unit with helping others and a cow tag 2 years ago. Made 4 trips there in 2013 between scouting and hunting. I won't draw again for 6 to 8 years but willing to help someone else that draws the unit. Even go so far as a scouting trip with them to pass on what I know. I don't see where I have much to lose by passing on info but maybe a lot to gain back from them. Still planning on hauling a 320 to 350 bull out of that unit before I can't walk up the mountains any more.

Don K
12-07-2013, 05:59 PM
Great offer right there!!!

I was in 38 this year and was amazed at all the big expensive campers sitting everywhere with nobody staying in them

Umpqua Hunter
12-07-2013, 07:17 PM
I've got max points as does my son. I am watching 39 Type 9 pretty closely. It's hard to give up on the chase of the top 5 units or so, but it looks pretty interesting. If anyone has some info that will help tip the scale please PM me.

Musket Man
12-07-2013, 07:35 PM
Im really thinking about getting a leftover region Y deer tag and hunting unit 25/scouting 38 for elk since point creep seems to be ahead of my points in most directions and I dont think I will draw anything I would like to draw this coming year.

WapitiBob
12-07-2013, 07:47 PM
interesting

Don K
12-08-2013, 06:57 AM
Musket Man,

When I drew my 38 tag I picked up a leftover deer tag for my youngest son and he came with. I was able to Elk hunt and him deer hunt and be right with me. He did not connect but we saw some decent bucks (no monsters) but he had a lot of fun. He knew the priority was Elk but it was fun for him to carry the bow and be with me. Mule deer numbers where there though as we saw lots and lots of them.

Musket Man
12-08-2013, 11:12 AM
Thanks Don! good to hear it has a decent amount of deer. I wouldnt be holding out for a monster. I would be happy just too see some deer and elk and get to know the area a bit.

AT Hiker
12-14-2013, 11:17 PM
Im really thinking about getting a leftover region Y deer tag and hunting unit 25/scouting 38 for elk since point creep seems to be ahead of my points in most directions and I dont think I will draw anything I would like to draw this coming year.

That is my tentative plan for 2014, maybe we could work together. I hunted deer 33 and scouted a little bit of elk 34 but was not impressed but we had a lot of snow too.

Musket Man
12-15-2013, 12:58 AM
So many possibilities to think about this time of year it can drive a guy crazy, but it sure is fun! I will probably wait and see what I draw and then look at leftover tags if nothing works out. Or I might get a leftover antelope tag and spend a few days scouting deer and elk on the way. Last year I planned my whole hunting season around a leftover antelope tag, but I had my reasons and Im glad I did.

mmfloyd
01-04-2014, 11:44 PM
I plan on putting in for 38 type 1 this yr and with my points will draw. I was wondering if anyone has any advice for the unit. I always call the biologists and wardens in the area as well but any help would be great as being a non resident wont be able to scout. ill be there 3 weeks and glassing and hiking is no problem. thanks!

Don K
01-05-2014, 06:54 AM
Plan for the weather. This last season the Archery hunters got hammered with snow at the end of their season so be prepared.

Topgun 30-06
01-05-2014, 06:49 PM
Plan for the weather. This last season the Archery hunters got hammered with snow at the end of their season so be prepared.

***Yep! From the end of September through the whole month of October it was the worst weather I've ever seen out there and I've hunted the BigHorns almost every year since 1994!

mmfloyd
01-11-2014, 06:39 PM
***Yep! From the end of September through the whole month of October it was the worst weather I've ever seen out there and I've hunted the BigHorns almost every year since 1994!

Thanks guys for info weather. I hunt with my wall tent and wood stove and fully equiped with bluebird weather and bad(good) weather to come in! Hope u guys do good this huntin season. Thx again!

Don K
01-12-2014, 05:55 AM
That is great for the tent and stove and such. I was getting at being more prepared in getting around. They had a bunch of snow and the archery hunters had problems just driving anywhere so just keep this in mind on what your driving and where your camping. Real heavy rains, fog, and a snow storm made things interesting at the end of September. You may have no problems at all just watch the weather and have some plans in place and enjoy the hunt.

Topgun 30-06
01-12-2014, 08:02 PM
We always have chains available for all four PU wheels because you never know when just a little bit of precipitation will muck the roads up and make them impassable without them. Just two don't hack it.

Musket Man
01-12-2014, 08:29 PM
I agree on chains and I always carry a set no matter where I go and they stay in my truck all year but I have never chained up more then the front tires and I have been through some pretty nasty places. In my experience if you chain up the front it will pull the back through.

mmfloyd
01-14-2014, 08:59 PM
thanks again. appreciate the advice. I got gmc 2500 4x4 and chains , tow chains and winch if needed. hopefully all goes good and we pull a few good bulls and bucks out if there.. any thoughts on the mulies in the area!

Topgun 30-06
01-14-2014, 10:04 PM
thanks again. appreciate the advice. I got gmc 2500 4x4 and chains , tow chains and winch if needed. hopefully all goes good and we pull a few good bulls and bucks out if there.. any thoughts on the mulies in the area!

***38 is more known for it's elk, but there are some big deer there, although IMHO they are a lot harder to hunt than elk and getting a good buck is tough.

300 short mag
01-16-2014, 02:14 PM
Where we were in the big horns the snow was so deep chains didn't do any good and the warden closed the trail into the mountains. Good luck John

cmbbulldog
12-27-2014, 10:35 AM
Roscoe -What did you decide and how did your hunt turn out?

I am in a similar position this year, trying to decide which unit in the Bighorns to hunt with 7 points.

45,38, and 41 are all high on my list of possibilities. Any thoughts from the WY experts?

Topgun 30-06
12-27-2014, 05:40 PM
Roscoe -What did you decide and how did your hunt turn out?

I am in a similar position this year, trying to decide which unit in the Bighorns to hunt with 7 points.

45,38, and 41 are all high on my list of possibilities. Any thoughts from the WY experts?


If you want to be sure to hunt in 2015 and only plan on applying in the Regular PP Draw, you'll have to put in for 38 or 41 or get real lucky in the random draw because 7PPs was less than a 43% chance to draw in the regular draw last year for unit 45.

cmbbulldog
12-27-2014, 10:15 PM
Yea, I know that. If I decide on 45 type 1, I don't have a problem applying in the special draw. Or I could do Type 9, and looking at the odds feel pretty comfortable I could draw the type 9 in the Regular draw. But I appreciate the thoughts.

Elkoholic307
12-27-2014, 10:45 PM
With as many points as you have I would scratch 41 off the list.

Topgun 30-06
12-27-2014, 11:01 PM
Yea, I know that. If I decide on 45 type 1, I don't have a problem applying in the special draw. Or I could do Type 9, and looking at the odds feel pretty comfortable I could draw the type 9 in the Regular draw. But I appreciate the thoughts.

I don't know how you can make that statement when the stats for 2014 for unit 45 were as follows:
Type 1 Regular Draw-7PPs was only a 42.86% chance
Type 1 Special Draw -6PPs was only a 62.5% chance
Type 9 Regular Draw- <7PPs was 100% but 6PPs was 0 chance
Type 9 Special Draw -6PPs was only an 80% chance

cmbbulldog
12-27-2014, 11:18 PM
Thanks Mike. That's the info I was looking at.

I would have had a 62% chance for the Type 1 tag last year with my points. 10 of the 16 people drew with 6 points. Assuming all 6 that didn't draw apply again this year, 12 more people would have jump into the game this year at 7 or more points for it not to be 100% draw odds again at the 7 point level. I guess it could happen, but I feel pretty good about getting that tag with 7 points this year. That said, I don't follow the points game in WY quite as close as you do, so I may defer to you on that one.... but from where I look, it looks pretty good.

Same deal with the type 9 tag in the regular draw. I basically just assumed (maybe that's my first mistake) that since everyone with less than 7 points drew last year, even if all the people that applied with 6 this year did so again next year, the odds would be at least pretty decent of drawing the tag.

Between the 2 scenarios, I have more confidence in the Type 1 Special draw, but know these things can vary from year to year.



I don't know how you can make that statement when the stats for 2014 for unit 45 were as follows:
Type 1 Regular Draw-7PPs was only a 42.86% chance
Type 1 Special Draw -6PPs was only a 62.5% chance
Type 9 Regular Draw- <7PPs was 100% but 6PPs was 0 chance
Type 9 Special Draw -6PPs was only an 80% chance

cmbbulldog
12-27-2014, 11:20 PM
With as many points as you have I would scratch 41 off the list.

I know its easier to draw.... But I was somewhat thinking of combining my points with a friend that has less so we can both go hunting. Plus, I don't know if I want to wait again for a unit that takes a bunch of points. Kind of just want to start hunting a unit I can draw every 3 to 4 years. But maybe I should do one hunt in a more premium unit since I built the points.... thanks for the feedback.

Topgun 30-06
12-28-2014, 10:01 AM
It doesn't take much to screw up a plan when you're talking that few applicants that may continue to apply along with others that may not have and finally decide to put in for it. The whole fallacy of a PP system is that if you are looking at drawing top units and don't get in right away to have max PPs many times it's impossible to even catch up unless there are lots of tags available to help turn over the applicants. I'd seriously look at your other idea of hunting unit 41 in 2015 by partnering with your buddy if he has a few PPs so you wouldn't burn them all on your own hunt and could do it with a friend. The latter IMHO is much more fun, especially if you bow hunt during the September rut when the bulls are bugling.

pckaspt1
01-07-2015, 12:58 AM
Just got on this thread and I'm also going to try to draw the type 9 unit 38 tag! Bow hunting is my passion and have hunted Idaho a few years and am ready to hit the mountains in wyoming. Was wondering if anybody would be willing to share a little info on a few good places to start? Not looking for the biggest bull on the mountain just getting in elk and shooting a decent bull would be great. I would share any info that I come away with from the trip. I'm from Missouri so I wouldn't be able to get out and scout ahead of time.


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Retterath
01-07-2015, 10:11 AM
The guys that have hunting 38 with rifle is it daring to take your truck up there and if there is alot of snow come in your screwed getting off the mountain or does any one take like a side by side with tracks and able to get into a better area and not have to worry about getting off the mountain, did u say 38 is pretty accessible?

AT Hiker
01-07-2015, 02:45 PM
The guys that have hunting 38 with rifle is it daring to take your truck up there and if there is alot of snow come in your screwed getting off the mountain or does any one take like a side by side with tracks and able to get into a better area and not have to worry about getting off the mountain, did u say 38 is pretty accessible?

EVERYBODY and their brother has a ATV in 38, ur handicapped if you dont. A lot of the roads are not passable in a pick up, so if u hike in its likely a ATV will come whizzing by.

Im sure there are places to get off the road but a ATV will help take u back further where trucks cant go.

If it snows bad your gonna be stuck until they get the highway cleared, might as well hunt. I assume you will camp up on the mountain or do you plan to drive up each day? Thats a lot of driving if you do.


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Retterath
01-07-2015, 03:57 PM
EVERYBODY and their brother has a ATV in 38, ur handicapped if you dont. A lot of the roads are not passable in a pick up, so if u hike in its likely a ATV will come whizzing by.

Im sure there are places to get off the road but a ATV will help take u back further where trucks cant go.

If it snows bad your gonna be stuck until they get the highway cleared, might as well hunt. I assume you will camp up on the mountain or do you plan to drive up each day? Thats a lot of driving if you do.


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I dont have an atv but was planning on buying one or using one but was wondering if the trail was really traveled with trucks or atv's. Are there alot of trails through 38 that make it very easy for people to go all over the unit and make it hard getting away from the road hunters?

AT Hiker
01-07-2015, 08:36 PM
I dont have an atv but was planning on buying one or using one but was wondering if the trail was really traveled with trucks or atv's. Are there alot of trails through 38 that make it very easy for people to go all over the unit and make it hard getting away from the road hunters?

After we deer hunted last fall we drove up to 38 to take a look. Lots of hunters and every single camp had a ATV, the game warden parked his truck and used his ATV to travel around and check hunters.

Those forest 2 tracks were nasty and only passable with a ATV, some of the main forest roads were nasty too but a day or two of no moisture and you could drive your truck on them.

As far as getting away from people I dont know, I would like to thank so but I havent spent and real time in that unit nor have I scoured over maps. There were a few horse trailers parked too so that tells me there are some places to get away.

Last fall changed my mind about 38, it may be a great area but I dont want to deal with that many people. I do that enough on a general deer tag.