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Alabama
12-14-2013, 04:29 PM
I own a Remington Model 700 Sendero 7mm Rem magnum. I love this gun and it shoots way better than I do. The only problem I have with it is the weight. With scope, bipod, ammo, and sling it weighs about 10 3/4 lbs. I'm looking for a lighter all around rifle for antelope, deer, sheep, elk. The caliber I'm leaning towards is .308win but I'm not set on it. I won't lie, I'm not a guy that can handle a lot of recoil without flinching. The 7mm rem mag doesn't bother me but the gun is heavy and that has tamed it quite a bit. I know that a lighter rifle is going to have a greater felt recoil than a heavier gun. I'm not a long range guy, I feel comfortable out to 300 yards with any of my current guns and the very max I would shoot is 400 yards. Is this caliber sufficient at 400 yards or less to kill any of the above mentioned game animals.

What other caliber would you recommend for a light weight hunting rifle?
Keep in mind I want a 22" barrel and 6-7lb bare gun at purchase.

Thanks, Wesley

6mm Remington
12-14-2013, 06:35 PM
If you can locate one a Remington 700 MTN rifle in 7-08, 7x57, or .280 Remington would fit your needs and have plenty of punch for the shooting you describe.

Winchester's Model 70 Featherweight in any of the above mentioned calibers would be a great one too.

The Tikka is a nice lightweight rifle as well and comes in a variety of caliber choices that would work. The Tikka's also have a reputation of shooting quite well.

Bitterroot Bulls
12-14-2013, 07:32 PM
I also like the 7/08 for your uses.

Alabama
12-14-2013, 07:40 PM
I've been looking at a few models and tons of reviews. The rifles I've narrowed it down to are:

1. Tikka T3 lite stainless: 22.44" barrel, 6lbs 3oz, 42.5" overall length, $678 best price
2. Savage model 16 FCSS weather warrior: 22" barrel, 6 lbs 14oz, 41.75" overall length, $653 best price
3. Remington model 700 mountain ss: 22" barrel, 6lbs 8oz, 41.6" overall length, $887 best price

The Winchester model 70 extreme weather ss is a bit over my budget of $1000. Weatherby is either over my weight limit or over my budget. :(
I haven't checked On Browning or Ruger.

Musket Man
12-14-2013, 08:10 PM
Out of curiosity I just threw 4 guns on my meat scale and was slightly surprised by what they weighed.
Model 70 Win pre 64 270 win with 24'' barrel, synthetic stock and Leupold scope. 9 1/2 pounds
Model 70 Win SS 22-250 with 22'' barrel, synthetic stock and Leupold scope. 8 1/4
Knight disc extreme 50 cal with synthetic stock and open sights. 7 3/4
Model 1894 Win 30-30 with 26'' octagon barrel. 7 7/8.
I thought both model 70's would be a bit lighter and wasnt expecting the ML to be the lightest. My scope weighs just over 11 oz so I expect with mounts and slings it added close to 1 pound to both model 70s. I think you will need a short action, 22'' barrel and synthetic stock to get to the weight you are looking for, as far as factory guns go anyways, so that leaves calibers like the 308 you mentioned, 7mm08, 270 WSM, 7mm WSM, 300 WSM, ect that will fit in a short action. If it were me I think I would chose the 270 WSM. They have just a bit more then the old 270 Win and fit in a short action.

Montana
12-14-2013, 08:44 PM
Boy this is always such a loaded question.. I guess only thing I would add is if you go too light you will have to watch for recoil. 270 wsm is awfully nice in the Tikka. I'm a Browning abolt guy myself. I guess I just don't like change if it works.

But from what you have listed... Tikka is my vote.

Alabama
12-14-2013, 09:06 PM
Out of curiosity I just threw 4 guns on my meat scale and was slightly surprised by what they weighed.
Model 70 Win pre 64 270 win with 24'' barrel, synthetic stock and Leupold scope. 9 1/2 pounds
Model 70 Win SS 22-250 with 22'' barrel, synthetic stock and Leupold scope. 8 1/4
Knight disc extreme 50 cal with synthetic stock and open sights. 7 3/4
Model 1894 Win 30-30 with 26'' octagon barrel. 7 7/8.
I thought both model 70's would be a bit lighter and wasnt expecting the ML to be the lightest. My scope weighs just over 11 oz so I expect with mounts and slings it added close to 1 pound to both model 70s. I think you will need a short action, 22'' barrel and synthetic stock to get to the weight you are looking for, as far as factory guns go anyways, so that leaves calibers like the 308 you mentioned, 7mm08, 270 WSM, 7mm WSM, 300 WSM, ect that will fit in a short action. If it were me I think I would chose the 270 WSM. They have just a bit more then the old 270 Win and fit in a short action.

Yeah that's what I was wanting, a short action caliber so that I can get the most out of the short 22" barrel. I want Stainless for corrosion protection and a synthetic stock so I'm not scared to take it somewhere and get it scratched. I have a really nice wood stock gun that just sits in the safe unless I'm going to the range. It's kind of pointless having it really because I never use it. :)

All of those models that I listed are synthetic stock and stainless.

The .270wsm is also one of the calibers I was considering along with 7mm-08.

Alabama
12-14-2013, 09:22 PM
Boy this is always such a loaded question.. I guess only thing I would add is if you go too light you will have to watch for recoil. 270 wsm is awfully nice in the Tikka. I'm a Browning abolt guy myself. I guess I just don't like change if it works.

But from what you have listed... Tikka is my vote.

A loaded question? NO! People aren't religiously devoted to their brand of gun or caliber, are they?:D
I'm not above considering a Browning or Ruger. I just haven't checked and I didn't know if they offered a light weight rifle.

I know what you mean about recoil. What got me flinching was a buddy had a light weight (6.5lbs I think) .300 weatherby magnum. I wasn't prepared for the recoil and it scoped me bad! It cut the edge of my nose and I had a slight black eye for a week.

I've been checking out different calibers in different bullet weights in different weight guns on this site. http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php

Musket Man
12-14-2013, 09:24 PM
Yeah that's what I was wanting, a short action caliber so that I can get the most out of the short 22" barrel. I want Stainless for corrosion protection and a synthetic stock so I'm not scared to take it somewhere and get it scratched. I have a really nice wood stock gun that just sits in the safe unless I'm going to the range. It's kind of pointless having it really because I never use it. :)

All of those models that I listed are synthetic stock and stainless.

The .270wsm is also one of the calibers I was considering along with 7mm-08.

I put the synthetic stock on my 270 mostly because I didnt want to scratch up the nice wood stock it came with, also the synthetic is a bit lighter.

alaska2go
12-14-2013, 11:57 PM
I have a kimber montana in a 7-08 .. 22" barrel.. I reload for it using varget powder. Burris ballistic plex scope 6 pounds 8oz. Deadly accurate out to 700 yards and have harvested all the critters listed above plus caribou, a 7' black bear, & a 7' grizz. The longest shot @ 362 yards caribou traveled maybe 30 yards. My 12 year old also shoots this rifle with no complants about recoil.

kerrek
12-15-2013, 06:08 PM
What about the T/C Venture in 7-08! I have a venture in 30.06 and love it.. Not stainless, but with the weather guard coating, should be good in weather, and also won't break the bank at around $500(price here in PA)

Alabama
12-15-2013, 08:07 PM
I hadn't considered that one. I just looked and the only drawback I see is the trigger. The lowest setting is 3.5 lbs. It does come in all the calibers I was considering though.

What does everyone like about the 7mm-08? What are the advantages? Same for the .270wsm?

Bitterroot Bulls
12-16-2013, 07:04 AM
The advantages of the 7-08 are:

1. Efficiency.
2. Wide range of bullets/powders available.
3. Relatively flat trajectory and good power with low recoil.
4. Works well in a short action with shorter barrels.
5. Excellent barrel life.

The advantages of the 270 WSM are:

1. Super flat trajectory.
2. More power.

shootbrownelk
12-16-2013, 09:00 AM
I hadn't considered that one. I just looked and the only drawback I see is the trigger. The lowest setting is 3.5 lbs. It does come in all the calibers I was considering though.

What does everyone like about the 7mm-08? What are the advantages? Same for the .270wsm?

Alabama, you may want to check-out a Savage lightweight Hunter in 7mm/08, at 5 1/2 lbs. it may be just what you're looking for, I'm still debating on one in either the 7mm/08 or in 6.5 Creedmoor. Coupled with a Leupold ultralight scope & rings it'd come in at between 6 & 6 1/2 lbs. empty. You could be in it for right around your $1,000.00 budget, complete. If you shop around some. Bud's Guns has them listed for $695.00 & free shipping.

Buck8541
12-17-2013, 07:01 PM
Agreed on the 7mm/08. I am a huge 280 Remington junkie, but I just bought a Winchester 70 Featherweight in 7mm/08 for my son and was very surprised by the ballistics of the 7mm/08 compared to the 280. Not much of a difference. Anyway, hard to beat that little cartridge, very efficient, little recoil, very accurate too boot.

lostriverproductions
12-18-2013, 04:26 AM
Go with the savage and don't look back

480/277
12-18-2013, 05:53 AM
I have a kimber montana in a 7-08 .. 22" barrel.. I reload for it using varget powder. Burris ballistic plex scope 6 pounds 8oz. Deadly accurate out to 700 yards and have harvested all the critters listed above plus caribou, a 7' black bear, & a 7' grizz. The longest shot @ 362 yards caribou traveled maybe 30 yards. My 12 year old also shoots this rifle with no complants about recoil.

What he said.

bdan68
12-18-2013, 09:02 AM
I would go with the cartridge you had in mind in the beginning- the 308. While I agree with others that the 7/08 is a great cartridge, it really offers nothing of significance over it's older brother the 308 Winchester. I like the fact that you can buy 308 cartridges anywhere, and for less money than the 7/08. With a good 150 grain bullet the 308 is hard to beat.

The only thing better would be a Browning A bolt in 270 Winchester. (Because that's what I shoot) :)

HuskyMusky
12-18-2013, 05:19 PM
I consider the ole .270win as well. esp in that tikka since it only comes in a long action receiver.

with 130grs it's not much of a kick at all.

shootbrownelk
12-19-2013, 07:01 AM
I would go with the cartridge you had in mind in the beginning- the 308. While I agree with others that the 7/08 is a great cartridge, it really offers nothing of significance over it's older brother the 308 Winchester. I like the fact that you can buy 308 cartridges anywhere, and for less money than the 7/08. With a good 150 grain bullet the 308 is hard to beat.

The only thing better would be a Browning A bolt in 270 Winchester. (Because that's what I shoot) :)

The only thing the 7mm/08 offers over the .308 is downrange ballistics. The .308 dia. bullet sheds it's velocity and energy pretty quickly after 300 yds. And actually the 6.5 creedmoor delivers more energy at the target at over 400yds. than either the .308 or the 7.

Alabama
12-19-2013, 11:52 PM
Thanks guys for all the responses. I guess I should have been more specific about the recoil. Shooting a rifle a few times won't make me flinch. It's when I take one out to the range and really put some lead through it, trying to shoot it from different shooting positions. I'm talking about a 15-25 rounds.

I have a .270win Winchester model 70 (8 1/2lbs estimated) no problems with recoil. The 7mm rem mag mentioned before (10 3/4lbs) no problem. While on the other hand, I have a 8 1/2lb Ruger m77 in .338 win mag that my brother gave me after he won it in a pool game.:) I can shoot this gun effectively out to 250-300. But after about the 5th or 6th shot...you guessed it: flinching time. I never really did that before I got scoped but now I can't seem to break it. I just didn't want suggestions for .300 mags or above for a 6-7 lb lightweight rifle. I want something I can shoot comfortably and get very good with it.

With that said I'm going this weekend to hold some of those models that I mentioned. I'll probably buy online but I want to handle the rifles and see which one feels natural when shouldering it. Out of the 3 scoped big game rifles I own the ruger seems to just fit me the best. The Remington Sendero is the most expensive but the Ruger just seems to feel better, like it was custom made for me. Too bad its .338 win mag.

Keep the suggestions coming guys. I'm leaning more towards the .308 or .270wsm. The 7mm-08 just seems a little light to me for when I draw an elk tag. Hell I'll admit I don't really even need a new rifle, I just want one!

alaska2go
12-20-2013, 10:26 AM
Keep the suggestions coming guys. I'm leaning more towards the .308 or .270wsm. The 7mm-08 just seems a little light to me for when I draw an elk tag. Hell I'll admit I don't really even need a new rifle, I just want one


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I would have to disagree with the 7-08 being a little light for elk. Here are the pictures of some 7-08's success.

packmule
12-20-2013, 11:50 AM
Remington 700 MTN SS 7-08 and 160gr ABs. Can no longer find my preferred 270 WSM model.

SansSouci
12-20-2013, 06:35 PM
Alabama,

I was in the identical predicament with my 7MM Rem Mag. With scope it weighs 10 pounds, a lot when hiking up and down high mountains. So I decided to buy a lightweight rifle. I did a lot of cartridge research. I could have gone with any number of excellent cartridges. However, I wanted a short action rifle in order to keep it as light as possible. An interesting fact is that when considered with practical hunting bullets for western game, there is virtually no difference between the venerated '06 & .308 Win. So I bought a stainless Featherweight in .308 Win and have had zero buyer's remorse. It does kill as advertised. You won't be disappointed with a .308 Win. And it comes in short action.

I do have a lot of admiration for .284 projectiles. The 7MM-08 Rem would be an excellent choice.

Musket Man
12-21-2013, 06:41 PM
Hell I'll admit I don't really even need a new rifle, I just want one!

If you get 2 or 3 new ones it will make it alot easier to decide;)

Varmint
12-22-2013, 03:04 PM
Weatherby Vanguard S2 .257 Wby.

tomcat
12-23-2013, 07:10 PM
Go with the 270 wsm. I have it in a Sako Finnlight. Great gun, great caliber.

Colorado Cowboy
12-24-2013, 08:36 AM
A couple of things to keep in mind. First is stock design and fit. A stock of the correct length of pull, drop and comb design will make handling of recoil easier, especially in heavier calibers. Second is weight of bullet you are pushing down the barrel. I shoot LRBP in a Sharps single shot "buffalo" rifle. When you start shooting heavier weight bullets, the recoil increases tremendously. With black powder you always use a full case of powder and basically only changing the bullet weight. Those of you that shoot magnum calibers, try shooting a really light weight bullet and you will see what I mean.

I really think 140/150 gr is a light as I would ever go in a load you want to use for elk. I personally use a 180 gr Nosler Partition. Just remember the heavier the bullet, the more recoil you have to deal with. I personally like muzzle brakes especially for range/bench work. Mine screws on/off and usually remove it when I am hunting.

Alabama
12-30-2013, 06:26 AM
Winchester model 70 Extreme Weather SS: 6lb 8oz in .308, 6lbs 12oz in 7mm-08, $1007 best price, Excellent reviews with excellent stock and average trigger. 22" barrel and 41" overall length.

Tikka T3 Lite Stainless: 6lb 3oz both calibers, $678 best price, Mostly good reviews with excellent accuracy and lots of plastic. 22.5" barrel and 42.5" overall length.

Savage Weather Warrior model 16 FCSS: 6lb 14oz both calibers, $654 best price, Good reviews with excellent accuracy but average stock. 22" barrel and 41.75" overall length.

Remington model 700 Mountain SS: 6lb 8oz both calibers, $903 best price, Good reviews with average stock and good trigger. 22" barrel and 41 5/8 overall length.

Ruger M77 Hawkeye All Weather: 7lb both calibers, $656 best price, Mixed reviews with complaints about the trigger. 22" barrel and 42" overall length.

Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker: 6lb 5oz in 7mm-08, 6lb 8oz in .308, $951 best price, Mixed reviews with complaints of poor trigger but great stock and safety. 22" barrel and 41.75" overall length.

Alright guys, which one would you buy and the reason behind why you would buy that particular one.

alaska2go
12-30-2013, 07:04 AM
savage. My buddy purchased the weather warrior w/ accu trigger & stock. That joker can shoot the wings off a mosquito @ 100 with it still living. I was very impressed with right of box accuracy w/ factory loads. I also like the 3 position safety. After we broke it in we were hitting 8" x 8" steel plate @ 600 yards every shot on a calm cold day ( -3F)

Grantbvfd
12-30-2013, 01:00 PM
I would not recommend a 270 wsm. They are not that efficient at all. You are very limited in releasing because most of the guns can't take a very long cartridge in the magazine. This limits your COAL and you will end up with every load being a compressed load, for the most part.
Does the caliber kill? Yes I have killed elk, pig, blacktail deer as well as mules. It just wouldn't be my first choice if I had it to do over again.

The 7mm-08, 308 or 30-06 AI would be my top three to choose from.

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Colorado Cowboy
12-30-2013, 01:35 PM
savage. My buddy purchased the weather warrior w/ accu trigger & stock. That joker can shoot the wings off a mosquito @ 100 with it still living. I was very impressed with right of box accuracy w/ factory loads. I also like the 3 position safety. After we broke it in we were hitting 8" x 8" steel plate @ 600 yards every shot on a calm cold day ( -3F)

Yes Sir...love the Savage, especially for the money!