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Bucky19
01-05-2014, 08:29 PM
Hello, I have subscribed to eastmans for 2 years now. Enjoy the magazine and finally got to hunt in Montana 2 years ago by Alzada on a private ranch. I shot a 8pt whitetail and my brother shot a nice muley. Being from Wisconsin, I have always wanted to hunt out west but always waited for people to commit or tried to find someone to go with. Done with that. The rancher in Montana said the deer numbers are down on his land and advised us to find a different spot. This was nice of him since he could have just taken our $ and said too bad. I would love to do a antelope/muley combo hunt in Wyoming. My question is should I contact a landowner off of Wyoming's deer/antelope list and pay a trespass fee for a ranch with both species. I am definitely going to start putting in for preference points in Wyoming. Or I would like to try the block management in South east Montana for deer only and try antelope another time. A good chance I will be going by myself this fall. I know the rut is the best time for muleys, but it is during our gun season for whitetails.

Musket Man
01-05-2014, 09:57 PM
Welcome to the form! From what I have herd deer and antelope are down alot on most of eastern MT. Weather you go on public or private really depends on what type of hunt you are looking for, how much you want to spend, ect.

Bucky19
01-06-2014, 06:15 AM
It was a lot of fun hunting the plains of eastern Montana so something with that terrain I guess. We paid $1500 each for that , which included lodging. I dont know what landowner in Wyoming typically charge. Should I just start calling them and asking prices. I guess I don't know how to go about it. A lot different hunting then what we have in Wisconsin, but a lot of fun.

Musket Man
01-06-2014, 09:31 AM
I really liked hunting eastern MT too but then they raised the prices and the deer and antelope numbers went down so I havent been back for a while. Im sure there good places in WY but Im not sure what the best way to find them would be.

30Hart
01-06-2014, 01:37 PM
Yes, call the wyoming fish and game offices in the areas you can draw w/o preference points and get the landowner list and start calling...most of those areas will be in eastern wyoming from top to bottom.

Topgun 30-06
01-06-2014, 01:53 PM
Yes, call the wyoming fish and game offices in the areas you can draw w/o preference points and get the landowner list and start calling...most of those areas will be in eastern wyoming from top to bottom.

***Agreed, and I'd add that many of the ranches that have antelope access fees are strictly that. To do what you are talking about for both species with no PPs the way many places are now leased out, you may end up dealing with an outfitter and then you're talking a good chunk of change for a fully outfitted hunt.

Bucky19
01-06-2014, 08:07 PM
Would it be too early to call landowners this time of year? I don't want to bother the people. I tried getting hold of the biologist in Gillette or another city last spring and she was really busy so I didn't want to bother her. I was also thinking about getting a antelope tag and trying it for a few days in Wyoming and then going up to eastern Montana and hunting deer for a couple of days for the opener. I really don't know how much to put on my plate. A lot of good advice on this forum. I never realized it existed until a couple of days ago. I don't know how much I can help other people being from Wisconsin, but I will throw in my two cents worth if I have any experience.

Bucky19
01-06-2014, 08:09 PM
Also another question. Are hunters only allowed to buy one buck antelope tag or can you buy more if they are available? I tried looking this up, but don't really see any answers.

ssliger
01-06-2014, 09:11 PM
Also another question. Are hunters only allowed to buy one buck antelope tag or can you buy more if they are available? I tried looking this up, but don't really see any answers.
Your allowed to draw one buck antelope tag. Certain areas you are allowed to purchase another buck antelope tag if there are leftovers, these are usually in areas with lots of private land with access issues.

AT Hiker
01-07-2014, 05:23 PM
Would it be too early to call landowners this time of year? I don't want to bother the people. I tried getting hold of the biologist in Gillette or another city last spring and she was really busy so I didn't want to bother her. I was also thinking about getting a antelope tag and trying it for a few days in Wyoming and then going up to eastern Montana and hunting deer for a couple of days for the opener. I really don't know how much to put on my plate. A lot of good advice on this forum. I never realized it existed until a couple of days ago. I don't know how much I can help other people being from Wisconsin, but I will throw in my two cents worth if I have any experience.

If you wanted to you could apply for a eastern WY antelope unit, they usually have limited access to public land but if you hunt later in the season it is less crowded. You just have to put a lot of miles on your truck and boots in thee units and purchase a good GPS with a chip to show private vs public.

Since MT season is so long, you could hunt the later WY antelope season and then head up to MT.

Some of those trespass fees are crazy, you are actually better off paying a outfitter IMO. $1,500-$2,000 will get you a 3 day antelope hunt with a good outfitter, I seen some antelope trespass fees for $1,000.

Its really all about what you want...do you want to kill or hunt? Are you limited on time or not?

Musket Man
01-07-2014, 07:44 PM
I wouldnt worry about bothering the biologist. It is part of their job to answer your questions. I dont really like trying to put more then 1 hunt together especially if I dont know the area very well. I like to concentrate on 1 at a time. Its easy to put alot more pressure on yourself with more then 1 hunt, atleast thats how it seems to end up for me usually. And it you are successful on the first hunt you have to do something with the meat while you are on the next hunt which can be a problem at times. This year I had a buck and doe antelope tag in the same unit and after I got the buck I was 1/2 wishing I didnt have the doe tag because it meant I had to get a doe the next morning so I could get them both packed up and ice in the cooler or go get Ice for the buck which would have meant driving over 100 miles round trip.

Bucky19
01-08-2014, 12:23 PM
Yes good thoughts. I am just looking for a fun time chasing goats or bucks for a couple of days and hopefully shooting a nice representative animal. Back home for whitetails my goal is a pope young minimum score buck every year with any weapon. I know p & y is just archery but that is my baseline. Many years I don't harvest a buck and it isn't a big deal. Some times I get lucky and get one. Some years I pass on nice deer that would make it knowing there are bigger ones around. I am just looking for a nice animal and having a good time, not just driving around and shooting one and being done. As far as time off I can get about any date for a week. I will have to look at gps and get the chip. That sounds like the ticket. Thanks for all the info.

Colorado Cowboy
01-08-2014, 12:33 PM
I have a Garmin Oregon 600 and have the Colorado landowner chip for it and it is really helpful. I will get the Wyoming chip when my plans include Wy...probably next year. One thing to remember is that the private land status is only as good as what the local county recorder has put on their own map. If they havn't updated the maps recently, the info could be old. Usually the private land doesn't change, just who currenty owns it. Problems could show up if you wanted to contact owner for permission to hunt/trespass. Just sayin............

Musket Man
01-08-2014, 12:33 PM
The gps chip is one of the best things I ever bought! Last year was the first year I had it and I dont know how I went so long without it. Even on the private land I hunted last year it was very helpful do be able to see the boundaries of the ranch I had permission to hunt.

Bucky19
01-08-2014, 04:48 PM
Yes it sounds helpful. Can you get free updates time to time or do you need to buy a new chip every so many years? A lot of helpful info for a newby like myself. Thank you!

AT Hiker
01-08-2014, 06:41 PM
Yes it sounds helpful. Can you get free updates time to time or do you need to buy a new chip every so many years? A lot of helpful info for a newby like myself. Thank you!

The chip I have (its actually a download) you have to purchase the update every year. Unless you know exactly where you will be hunting and know it well, that chip will be the best investment you will make in quit some time, at least that is how I feel about it.

Put it this way, that chip will inevitably save you a $200 plus dollar trespass ticket at least once. Or it will get you into animals because you once thought the land was private.

Musket Man
01-08-2014, 07:07 PM
After using the chip last year I liked it so much I am going to get it for every state I hunt even if the area is mostly public land! Look on www.huntinggpsmaps.com for more info on them. I have a garmin oregon 450t gps.

Bucky19
01-08-2014, 08:16 PM
Ok thanks people. Another maybe dumb question- if successful do you quarter the animal where you shot it or debone it or what if you are a ways from the vehicle. I assume it is ok to leave the carcass at the point of kill?

Musket Man
01-08-2014, 08:27 PM
Depends on the situation for me. How far from the vehicle you are, terrain, ect. If its tough going and a long ways I would most likely bone it out there. If its not to bad or far I will take them out whole or cut them in 1/2 and pack 1/2 at a time. It also depends on if there is a place to hang it up once you get it out. Not as much reason to get it out whole if there is not a place to hang it up.

Retterath
01-08-2014, 09:38 PM
I had the GPS chip for my garmin 450t when I hunted eastern montana for mule deer. I was able to zoom in on the private land far enough and it gave the land owners name and out of luck I called the guy when I looked up his name and he was nice enough to give me permission so we met up with the rancher and also got a lot of info from him.so don't always think cause its private u will never be able to hunt it,ask it never hurts you might be surprised and also get some other good info from the rancher. We hunted lots of block management but if u don't call and get your name in it will get booked up because they only allow so many people on at once. We hunted south of mile city on the Bise Ranch that was block management and my buddy shot a 165" and a guy earlier that week shot a 170". So that block management can hold good deer. Good luck

AT Hiker
01-09-2014, 11:17 AM
Ok thanks people. Another maybe dumb question- if successful do you quarter the animal where you shot it or debone it or what if you are a ways from the vehicle. I assume it is ok to leave the carcass at the point of kill?


I suggest reading the regs in the area you hunt and then calling the wildlife officer (proof of sex is often a concern). If your going to bone one out, you will need a good pack and know how to pack it. Plus if its a trophy to mount, you will need to talk with your taxidermist to see how he wants you to cape.

Colorado Cowboy
01-09-2014, 12:14 PM
I suggest reading the regs in the area you hunt and then calling the wildlife officer (proof of sex is often a concern). If your going to bone one out, you will need a good pack and know how to pack it. Plus if its a trophy to mount, you will need to talk with your taxidermist to see how he wants you to cape.

You need to be very aware of proof of sex, especially on doe/fawn tags as most buck tags are either sex. Many, many years ago I got a citation for not having proof of sex on a doe that was all packaged and wrapped and in a small freezer in the field. It was mixed with a buck and I guess the warden wanted to make a point....he did! I did the butchering myself and did not leave any evidence of sex on an edible piece of meat on the doe antelope.. Same rules apply to deer.

Musket Man
01-09-2014, 06:19 PM
I thought the proof of sex was more for bucks then doe/fawn to stop people from killing a buck way back somewhere and just bringing the head out and then killing a doe close to the road for meat. My girlfriend was asking why I brought those pieces home with my antelope. lol

Bitterroot Bulls
01-09-2014, 08:33 PM
In MT proof of sex is required regardless of whether your tag or permit is either sex, buck only, or antler less. It must be left naturally attached.

Colorado Cowboy
01-09-2014, 09:41 PM
In MT proof of sex is required regardless of whether your tag or permit is either sex, buck only, or antler less. It must be left naturally attached.

The only one I was told didn't need sex proof was either sex, but that was Wyoming.

chiefgobbler
01-10-2014, 02:59 PM
I learned another interesting WG&F Regulation. I had an either sex tag and had the antelope quartered and hanging in game bags at camp. No issue with sex. I attached the completed tag to one of the hind quarters. It was a very windy day so prior to leaving camp to help my dad and brother try and fill their tags I slipped the game bag over the tag. When we returned to camp just after dark the Game Warden followed us in. I was issued a written warning for not having the tag attached in a visible location. I was told a Warden is not allowed to look in the game bag to see if it was tagged. Technically I could have been cited but he gave me a break because it was attached and properly filled out.

NE69
01-10-2014, 03:24 PM
I shot a cow elk in Colo years ago on either sex bow hunt. I kept evidence of sex but wasn't attached. My buddies 12 year old told us when we were quartering it out to keep it attached but we didn't listen. Who listens to a kid right? Got a citation for it as deserved. Makes me pretty careful since. I keep regs with me and read them.

Topgun 30-06
01-10-2014, 05:34 PM
I learned another interesting WG&F Regulation. I had an either sex tag and had the antelope quartered and hanging in game bags at camp. No issue with sex. I attached the completed tag to one of the hind quarters. It was a very windy day so prior to leaving camp to help my dad and brother try and fill their tags I slipped the game bag over the tag. When we returned to camp just after dark the Game Warden followed us in. I was issued a written warning for not having the tag attached in a visible location. I was told a Warden is not allowed to look in the game bag to see if it was tagged. Technically I could have been cited but he gave me a break because it was attached and properly filled out.

***That is a bunch of baloney to even issue you a warning if it was attached and all you were doing was protecting the tag from being lost. That's the kind of crap that makes other LEOs look bad when you get one that doesn't use any common sense. FYI a Warden has the right to search your vehicle, tent, trailer, coolers, or anything else out in the field that he wants to without a warrant. If they think there has been a violation and have enough proof that they think it's at your residence then they either have to ask for permission or go get a search warrant. Wyoming used to require that evidence of sex be kept attached if you filled a doe/fawn or cow/calf tag. Now all they require is that it be carried with you until the animal is processed. We merely cut the udder off and put it in a baggy to keep with the boned out animal in order to comply with the new requirement.