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islandlaker
02-23-2014, 08:54 AM
Hello everyone, I have been tasked with the bulk of the planning for a Mule deer hunt for me and a couple buddies. We would like to do the early season option that opens October first. We all work in a hospital and getting time off together is hard it looks like we could all get vacation 10/1 to 10/10. Doing some research it looks like there are only two real options in Wyoming that would let us hunt this time period; i.e. tag and public land availability. General M and hunt zone 164 is an option as well as General F and hunt zone 105 or 106 is an option. I have read many bad things about zone 164 so I am concerned about that option; comparatively I have read many great things about zone 105 and 106 but they are all about late season options. If you guys could do either of these hunts which would you pick? Or are we wasting our time going out that part of the year and should just try to make the second half of October work for us? Thanks for all of the advice!

Musket Man
02-23-2014, 10:03 AM
Welcome to EF! Where are you from?

islandlaker
02-23-2014, 10:10 AM
I am from northern Minnesota. Hunting is in my blood and I am ready to expand on my experiences.

Musket Man
02-23-2014, 10:17 AM
Have you considered antelope? Prob alot more seasons that fit your time frame.

Ikeepitcold
02-23-2014, 10:34 AM
Island laker. You should stop by the New Members area and introduce your self.

Welcome to the forum. Antelope might just be the ticket as MM said.

Umpqua Hunter
02-23-2014, 11:02 AM
You will do yourself a favor to hunt as late in October as possible. When you get into the last 3 days of the month you will get some pre-rut activity and those are your money days.

islandlaker
02-23-2014, 11:36 AM
Wow thanks for all the advice so far guys. We are interested in antelope but I have always wanted a mule deer. I think we are moving towards making the end of the month work. What kind of weather extremes can we expect out there? Also is it looking like a heavy winter kill year?

JMBC
02-23-2014, 04:39 PM
I would completely snuff 164 personally. Go with antelope. Much better idea

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AT Hiker
02-23-2014, 07:48 PM
The weather extremes are just that, extreme! Depending on what unit and what your elevation is will determine a lot for your weather. The higher you go the colder, etc.

Last year in Sept the Yellowstone area go some snow, we got a big snow in the Big Horns around 13th or so of Oct. 2 years ago I it snowed on me just East of Buffalo on Oct 4th and made for some crappy roads for 2 days.

d.kerri
02-23-2014, 07:54 PM
If you decide mule deer over antelope [although, I do echo others thoughts on starting out with the speedsters] pick up Mike Eastman's "Mule Deer Hunting Tactics." It's got a lot of valuable information for setting yourself up for success both this upcoming season and the next following few. It covers mule deer behavior, how to research, how to hunt different terrain and general hunting strategies and tactics. You'll learn a lot.

Also, check your PMs- I'm a northern MN guy also.

OregonJim
02-23-2014, 08:20 PM
Pack shorts and wool !!!!!!
You might find yourself in both in the same day !!!!!:D

Musket Man
02-23-2014, 09:47 PM
Ill put it this way. Many years ago I went on a september ML hunt my friends had done several times expecting good weather. just over 1/2 way through the hunt we got a foot of snow and were flat out miserable the rest of the hunt. We even packed up early and hunted lower and were still miserable. I have never gone on any hunt since without being prepared for deep snow and below 0 temps. You never know what the weather could do.

RICMIC
02-25-2014, 03:36 PM
You are exactly where I was seven years ago. Since then I've tagged three 4X4 mulies and three 6X6 elk. Better yet, it sounds like I live within 50 miles of you. (That is if it's the Island Lake north of Duluth). Send me a PM and I can give you a call. RicMic

islandlaker
02-26-2014, 10:33 AM
Thanks for all the advice so far guys. Doing some research I am leaning towards going in mid to end October in zone Y. Several sources have recommended that for a first timer. I am definitely interested in Mule deer over antelope. However, if there are any antelope doe tags available OTC I would be interested in that for some freezer meat. I will also be ordering that book on mule deer hunting tactics.

Musket Man
02-26-2014, 10:41 AM
There are some antelope units you can draw 2nd choice in Y and you can draw Y 2nd choice as well but would depend where you decide to hunt in Y as some areas in it do not have antelope.

kiddwinner
02-26-2014, 10:51 AM
unit 164 all the way

Topgun 30-06
02-26-2014, 12:05 PM
unit 164 all the way

***You have got to be kidding me, LOL! For a first timer in 164 he'd be lucky to see a half dozen deer in a week unless he hunts private property. That unit IMHO is a for a seasoned veteran who doesn;t need to see 10 deer the entire season, but ne of those ten might just be a 180" buck. I hunted that unit a few years ago for a week before going for the rest of the season in the unit I usually hunt and it was about the hardest hunt I've done for deer with hardly any seen and only one buck that you'd even put the glasses up to look at. The problem he'll have if he picks Region Y is the ton of people he'll encounter down in the southern Kaycee area or the elk hunters he'll be rubbing shoulders with up in the northern units west of Sheridan and Ranchester. Personally, if I was starting out like they are I'd get a Y tag and hunt as far north in Y up toward Montana as I could go and as late in the season as possible since toward the end of October the better bucks start coming out of their hidey holes checking for early estrus does.

kiddwinner
02-26-2014, 01:14 PM
yes I was joking, I hunt 105/106!!!

islandlaker
02-26-2014, 02:07 PM
Thanks for the advice TopGun some of your comments on this site and others have helped with the General Y decision. It is nice to know that the more northern regions of Y will have less pressure. Would you advise going up the mountains part way? All the way? Or stick to the prairies?

Kidwinner 105/106 was another area I had been looking at. Am I selfish in wanting a spot to hunt with a chance at a decent 4x4 and not run into other hunters? I'm sure this is to much for a newbie to ask. It is to bad our ancestors allowed so much development in this nation.

Musket Man
02-26-2014, 02:43 PM
Do you guys have any points or are you looking for an area you can draw 2nd choice so you can build points? There might be better areas you could draw if you are applying 1st choice. As far as a nice 4x4 and no other hunters Im not saying there are no areas where that can be done but most general regions get a fair amount of hunting pressure.

kiddwinner
02-26-2014, 02:58 PM
Not at all man, go for it. Ive been up there and seen 3 or 4 very nice deer at once and then again ive also seen nothing! Let me know what you do, horses would be a plus for this area!

Topgun 30-06
02-26-2014, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the advice TopGun some of your comments on this site and others have helped with the General Y decision. It is nice to know that the more northern regions of Y will have less pressure. Would you advise going up the mountains part way? All the way? Or stick to the prairies?

Kidwinner 105/106 was another area I had been looking at. Am I selfish in wanting a spot to hunt with a chance at a decent 4x4 and not run into other hunters? I'm sure this is to much for a newbie to ask. It is to bad our ancestors allowed so much development in this nation.

***I'd start high in the NF if the weather allows and work my way down lower depending on what you're seeing and what the weather is doing.

islandlaker
02-27-2014, 02:02 PM
MusketMan, we have no preference points. I was thinking of applying for R it looks like there is a lot of public land with a 50% chance of drawing. Then I could put Y as my second choice and looks almost a shoe in to get it as a second choice; at least according to last years results. Then for third pick M as that also looks like a guarantee.

I love all the helpful hints I am getting. The research is a very fun process; nothing else to really do in northern Minnesota right now just to much snow and Walleye season just closed!

Topgun 30-06
02-27-2014, 05:01 PM
Stay away from Region M as there is not enough public land that holds enough deer to make a good hunt if you haven't been there a number of times to know where to go.

Musket Man
02-27-2014, 05:32 PM
MusketMan, we have no preference points. I was thinking of applying for R it looks like there is a lot of public land with a 50% chance of drawing. Then I could put Y as my second choice and looks almost a shoe in to get it as a second choice; at least according to last years results. Then for third pick M as that also looks like a guarantee.

I love all the helpful hints I am getting. The research is a very fun process; nothing else to really do in northern Minnesota right now just to much snow and Walleye season just closed!

Y has had leftover tags the last few years after the draw so you can easily draw it 2nd choice. I would apply for R first choice and Y 2nd choice.

MWScott72
02-28-2014, 08:03 AM
Thanks for all the advice so far guys. Doing some research I am leaning towards going in mid to end October in zone Y. Several sources have recommended that for a first timer. I am definitely interested in Mule deer over antelope. However, if there are any antelope doe tags available OTC I would be interested in that for some freezer meat. I will also be ordering that book on mule deer hunting tactics.

If you take care of the antelope (shoot them when they're calm / cool down the meat immediately), they are far and away better than mule deer IMO. Cool looking mount, much easier hunt, and, on average, a fairly easy tag to draw if you're not out for a monster. I love muleys too, but if the timing doesn't work out for a deer hunt, you won't be disappointed chasing speed goats.

islandlaker
02-28-2014, 08:10 PM
So the tentative plan right now is to apply for R as first choice and Y as second choice for Mule Deer. Leave Minnesota on 10/17 arrive sunrise in Wyoming on 10/18. Then hunt tell 10/24 leave the morning of 10/25. This is about as late in the month as we can make the trip as we have to do it over a weekend off. The hospital we work at wont let us all take a weekend off together. How does that sound to everyone? Again thanks, you guys rock!

nickpaolini81
03-01-2014, 06:11 AM
Stay away from Region M as there is not enough public land that holds enough deer to make a good hunt if you haven't been there a number of times to know where to go.

Isn't M where you hunt deer?

BTW: Here's a screen grab of unit 164 in Region M. Yellow/Blue = Public. White = Non-public. Better stay away from M. Not enough public land.
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Cobbhunts
03-01-2014, 06:42 AM
That looks like a big chunk of public land in M!!! Maybe I should put M as my 2nd choice in case we don't draw the LE unit we applied for.

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nickpaolini81
03-01-2014, 06:46 AM
Take it all with a grain of salt. There is tons of public land in WY but a lot of it is very difficult if not landlocked w private. All that yellow looks appetizing, but u may spend your entire hunt on one or 2 hillsides equivalent to a pinhead on that map


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Musket Man
03-01-2014, 07:52 AM
So the tentative plan right now is to apply for R as first choice and Y as second choice for Mule Deer. Leave Minnesota on 10/17 arrive sunrise in Wyoming on 10/18. Then hunt tell 10/24 leave the morning of 10/25. This is about as late in the month as we can make the trip as we have to do it over a weekend off. The hospital we work at wont let us all take a weekend off together. How does that sound to everyone? Again thanks, you guys rock!

As long as the season is open then it sounds good if that is the time you all have. I would suggest trying to time it to hunt during the week as much as you can because weekends will usually have the most hunters out hunting. Also always check the regulations for the specific unit or units you will be hunting as they can vary within the region.

JMBC
03-01-2014, 08:03 AM
164 has the earliest season in m. If anyone wants to try m there is always leftovers for a reason. Yes plenty of public land in 164 but seeing it is enough for me. Make the season later and snow a bunch on mountain and I'll hunt it until then what inhabits it can live free.

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Topgun 30-06
03-01-2014, 09:40 AM
Some of you guys really lack reading comprehension! I DID NOT say there wasn't a lot of public land in Region M. I said the public land there does not hold enough deer in any one spot to make a good hunt unless you have been there and done that a number of times to know where to go. Having access to a ranch or two like I do also helps more than a little, LOL! I've been all over 164, which is also unit 114 for antelope, and it's not called the Badlands for nothing because it basicly looks like moonscape more hospitable for Bighorn sheep than anything else! If any of you go out there and see more than 10 deer in a week of hunting in that BLM you'd be doing really well! There is a reason why there are hundreds of leftover tags after the draw in Region M, so don't say I didn't tell you so if you venture out there and crap out on a hunt!!! Also, disregard the comment JMBC mentioned about snow in the mountains and hunting late because 164 isn't a migratory unit for deer and is open the first part of October, although antelope do come down from the south in November or December from the Lysites to winter there if it snows bad down there at the higher elevations.

Musket Man
03-01-2014, 09:53 AM
Easy Topgun, I think they were joking and didnt mean anything bad or against anything you said. What does "moonscape" look like? lol

Topgun 30-06
03-01-2014, 10:06 AM
Easy Topgun, I think they were joking and didnt mean anything bad or against anything you said. What does "moonscape" look like? lol

***I get more than a little upset when I've hunted out there for the past 20 years and try to give good advice on Forums and then have someone question what I've stated just because they're looking at a dang map while they sit at their desk 1800 miles away from Wyoming! I didn't even read his followup before I made my post after reading his initial one! The BLM in 164 looks exactly like pictures of the moon we've all seen from the NASA photos. For those that don't believe me, just go out there and have at it, LOL!

Musket Man
03-01-2014, 10:36 AM
It can be frustrating and i know where your coming from but I dont think he meant it badly. Most of what we post is our opinion and what might be a great hunt to me could be a horrible hunt to you. None of us need to agree on anything, we just need to try and be respectful about how we disagree.

Is there any grass sage brush or anything on this moon area or is that part like the moon too? lol

Cobbhunts
03-01-2014, 11:25 AM
I've never been to the moon. So that sounds interesting. J/k

We decided not to put in for a 2nd choice because we applied in the special draw. If we don't hit it, we will buy a leftover I guess.

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Musket Man
03-01-2014, 12:07 PM
Now we know why it got the letter M for Moon. lol Dont worry if you dont draw it will have leftovers and Y prob will too but might want to jump on them when they go on sale. Also I have never done it but you can still modify your app in WY if you decide you want a 2nd choice. Im pretty sure you will draw though!

JMBC
03-01-2014, 08:10 PM
Topgun, did I mention your name? No. Dont think your the only one that knows anything. I know Tom and I have relation in ten sleep. Was clearly stating that I would not hunt west of bluebank. Not getting in a pissin match but I don't post bs so leave me out of it.

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ScottR
03-01-2014, 08:34 PM
Easy guys, lets get back to the MO.

I would highly recommend getting an onxmaps product to help navigate the private ground.

Topgun 30-06
03-01-2014, 08:41 PM
Topgun, did I mention your name? No. Dont think your the only one that knows anything. I know Tom and I have relation in ten sleep. Was clearly stating that I would not hunt west of bluebank. Not getting in a pissin match but I don't post bs so leave me out of it.

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Sorry I caused you to have a hissy fit! I could easily see that you were clearly stating that you wouldn't hunt it, but then you mentioned about snow in the mountains and I misread part of that statement. I just read it too quick and misunderstood that you were saying if the entire season was changed to later in the year and that's why I said it wasn't a migratory unit, so sorry about the mixup. Your last name isn't Carter by any chance is it?

JMBC
03-01-2014, 09:30 PM
Carter, funny. And no it is not. Pretty sure I know where you were going with that.

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Ikeepitcold
03-02-2014, 10:23 AM
Chill out guys

Topgun 30-06
03-02-2014, 10:58 AM
Carter, funny. And no it is not. Pretty sure I know where you were going with that.

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LOL! I just thought maybe since the last letter in your username was C that you were related to them in some way. Send me a PM with your name and your relatives out there if you don't mind. After hunting that area for 20 years I may know them and if you're out there this Fall maybe we can get together and have a cold one, lunch, supper, or something! Not too long ago a guy on another site saw that I hunted around there and sent me a PM asking if I knew so and so. Turns out I knew a lot of people he does and some are even close or distant relatives of his. It really is a small world!

Againstthewind
03-27-2014, 11:27 PM
Areas 105 to 106 are pretty mountainous, so be prepared for snow, or mid 80's, or rain, or any combination within two hours. I think I heard that the drought has been tough on the animals lately, so I would say 164 would be more affected by the drought. It is kindof in a dry, agricultural, oil patch area. It seems like it has been a cold winter, but not a great deal of snow, at least on the east side of the state. I haven't heard anything about winter kill being more than normal or anything. 2010 when there was tons of snow was tough on the animals, but this year doesn't seem to have been as bad. 164 probably has tougher access with 105 and 106 right in the National Forest and next to Yellowstone, but they are more likely to have bears and wolves around, too. I know there are some walk-in areas and things like that in 164.

I read some of the posts after I posted, but I am too lazy to change stuff. I agree Region Y gets a lot of pressure, and this side of the Big Horns has been drier than the west side, which is kindof unusual, but it you want a whitetail doe while you are out this way a lot of the ranchers would kiss you for helping out. Call the game and fish for a landowner list and Sheridan and Buffalo have lots of places to go. I have had better luck on lower elevations for deer, but that is just me.