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DBurrr
03-01-2014, 10:53 AM
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/media/viewNewsRelease.cfm?newsID=7007


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Apparition
03-01-2014, 01:25 PM
They need to take at least another 25 out of there to make a difference.

Musket Man
03-01-2014, 01:55 PM
If they took all of them out it would take a long time for Lolo to recover to even 1/2 what it was. Still atleast F&G is stepping in and killing some of them.

Just DIY
03-01-2014, 02:42 PM
What a difficult and frustrating subject, I am no expert but at the rate of each breeding pair having 4-7 pups a year I think we are losing the battle. Like you said MM at least they are doing something but is that just a front to try and keep us at bay or is it an honest effort? They killed only 25 wolves in the previous 5 actions and they killed 23 this go-round, hmmm. They better keep loading...

Musket Man
03-01-2014, 03:41 PM
Killing 25 wolves is not as easy as it sounds. Lolo is rugged country with lots of timber and places to hide and Im sure the wolves figure out whats going on pretty fast. 40 wolves total were taken last year and there are probably more they dont know about so thats probably not to bad, its just 15 years to late.....

Just DIY
03-01-2014, 04:55 PM
That makes sense MM, like I said I am no expert on the issue but I do know it is extremely political and we all know how those things go. Do you feel Idaho is good at management? I have had a few experiences there as far as dealing with there biologist and I found some of the info when I got boots on the ground to be inaccurate and also ran across a few bitter resident hunters when you talk about game and fish there. I know you can get that anywhere but it seems like there are a decent number of states much better at management. I have and will continue to hunt there but just curious on your thoughts or experience??

Musket Man
03-01-2014, 05:22 PM
I think the biggest problem is F&G had their hands tied for so long with the wolves on the endangered list and they couldnt start to manage them at the right time and I think they have been blamed for alot of things they had no control over. They have made some fairly aggressive moves to control wolves since they have been off the endangered list but every time they do anything there are a bunch of lawsuits and I think they want to do more but are also worried about them getting back on the endangered list if they get to aggressive too. So basically there hands are still tied, just not as tight as they were.

ScottR
03-01-2014, 05:23 PM
Guys i deleted the other threads on this. No need for three separate conversations on the same subject.

Just DIY
03-01-2014, 05:30 PM
I see MM. Thanks for some facts.

DBurrr
03-03-2014, 09:30 PM
I sure would like to put one down!


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xtreme
03-04-2014, 07:04 AM
Worst hunt I ever had hunting elk in the Frank Church. Wolves, Wolves, Wolves. There should be a bounty, not a fee.

Topgun 30-06
03-04-2014, 12:49 PM
Wolves are a very smart animal and the more human presence they see and hear the harder it will be to cut their numbers down in many areas where they need to take out a lot of them. The two legal ways being used are aerial gunning where the terrain allows along with trapping. Relying on regular hunting will not get it done by itself as they are too smart and the terrain in many areas is not hospitable to have a good chance. The most effective way to cut numbers way down is obviously poisoning and we all know that will never be used again legally.

Apparition
03-04-2014, 06:26 PM
Xtreme, how long ago was your Frank Church hunt?

Musket Man
03-04-2014, 06:37 PM
Elk in Frank Church have been hit hard by wolves. There can still be decent hunting there but its not like it used to be at all.

xtreme
03-04-2014, 07:30 PM
I was in there about ten years ago

In God We Trust
03-04-2014, 07:41 PM
MM, I agree with you. The G & F couldn't do much with them listed. At least they are trying to fix the situation now that they can. If you want to blame someone look elsewhere, like the 9th Circuit of appeals and the eco-terrorist groups.

woodtick
03-04-2014, 11:05 PM
I think the biggest problem to all of this, is the ability of these special interest groups to sue the feds with tax payers dollars and then recoup the lawyer fee's via the Federal Government. In a nutshell there getting paid by the Federal Government to sue the Federal or State Government. If you think I'm joking look it up, they've been talking about abolishing this law in the House and Senate the last month, but the Lib's are having a royal panty throwing fit over it. We did a big study on it when I was an undergrad in the Natural Resources Dept @ USU, it was insane the amount of money that was being forked out to these special interest groups by us to sue the Fed's.

shootbrownelk
03-05-2014, 05:17 AM
All they need to do now is find the dens and finish the job!

shootbrownelk
03-05-2014, 05:19 AM
I think the biggest problem to all of this, is the ability of these special interest groups to sue the feds with tax payers dollars and then recoup the lawyer fee's via the Federal Government. In a nutshell there getting paid by the Federal Government to sue the Federal or State Government. If you think I'm joking look it up, they've been talking about abolishing this law in the House and Senate the last month, but the Lib's are having a royal panty throwing fit over it. We did a big study on it when I was an undergrad in the Natural Resources Dept @ USU, it was insane the amount of money that was being forked out to these special interest groups by us to sue the Fed's.

Wyoming Congress person Cynthia Lummis is proposing a bill to eliminate federal funds to anti-organizations who have the assets to pay their own way in the courts.

shootbrownelk
03-05-2014, 05:21 AM
Wolves are a very smart animal and the more human presence they see and hear the harder it will be to cut their numbers down in many areas where they need to take out a lot of them. The two legal ways being used are aerial gunning where the terrain allows along with trapping. Relying on regular hunting will not get it done by itself as they are too smart and the terrain in many areas is not hospitable to have a good chance. The most effective way to cut numbers way down is obviously poisoning and we all know that will never be used again legally.
TopGun.
The key word in your statement about the poisoning is LEGALLY..

xtreme
03-05-2014, 06:19 AM
Woodtick is right and we should demand and support legislation to defund the anti organizations. Thanks to Congress person Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming for her proposed bill. We should start letting our representatives know how we feel about this.

wolftalonID
03-05-2014, 07:38 AM
Keep in mind.....this would affect all special interest groups funding. I am all for them finding their own money, but that means organizations the support us that use federal money will also be on their own.

I know crazy people will have no issue donating to their cause..... But will we the crazy hunters come together for our own causes with as much fury.

Musket Man
03-05-2014, 08:23 AM
I think the biggest problem to all of this, is the ability of these special interest groups to sue the feds with tax payers dollars and then recoup the lawyer fee's via the Federal Government. In a nutshell there getting paid by the Federal Government to sue the Federal or State Government. If you think I'm joking look it up, they've been talking about abolishing this law in the House and Senate the last month, but the Lib's are having a royal panty throwing fit over it. We did a big study on it when I was an undergrad in the Natural Resources Dept @ USU, it was insane the amount of money that was being forked out to these special interest groups by us to sue the Fed's.

1/2 of why they (maybe all of it) sue is for the money they get out of it. Weather it is EAJ money or people they can sell their BS story too that donate money to their "cause" they are getting alot of money out of it. Personally I think they could give a damn less about wolves, elk, moose, spotted owles, or anything else effected by anything they are doing. They are just in it for the money and are very good at selling their story to a bunch of people that dont know anybetter.

What I think needs to happen is things like wolves need to be decided by the people that are living in and trying to make a living in the areas effected by them and no one else. Why should someone back east thats never even been to Idaho have any say in whats happening in Frank Church?