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Livesilly
02-22-2011, 11:00 PM
All, I think this could be a great place for us all to come together to discuss our wolf issue, organize actions we can take, and keep tabs on any breaking news. This has to be a top action priority for us all if we stand a chance at reversing the wrong that has been done thus far. Standing behind and propping up our legislators when requested. Letís get the letters, emails and phone calls going....let do something, anything.....letís just not keep quiet and do nothing!

Jerry
02-24-2011, 09:30 PM
We just had two more pregnant cows killed last week in the Joseph area! It's going to get worse before it gets better. The Washington cattleman's association has filed suit against the US Fish and Wildlife alleging they violated the Endangered Species Act.
"Source:Wallowa County Chieftan"

Livesilly
02-25-2011, 10:00 PM
There was wolf delisting language tacked onto a federal budget bill by congressman Mike Simpson. It would strip Endangered Species Act protection from wolves.

HuntinMontucky
02-27-2011, 05:16 PM
Great thread to be had! Things are loking up for Montana hunters this year, our Governor has instructed all state wildlife officers NOT to investigate or assist in any investigation involving wolves in an effort to put more heat on the USFWS. We are hurting here in NW MT and need action fast!

COhunter
02-27-2011, 05:54 PM
i live in CO and although we dont have very many wolves here yet we dont wont to get them started....lets do what we can to stop these crazy ppl who think wolves are good for us!!! im in so if anyone needs help doing anything to spred the word just let me know.

xtreme
02-27-2011, 07:38 PM
There needs to be a bounty on wolves. Dr Smith of Yellowstone was responsibile for the wolf reintroductionin in Yellowstone and probaby did not understand the damage he was doing. Wolves cost millions of dollars to manage. The grizzly bear is just as bad.

HuntinMontucky
02-27-2011, 09:29 PM
xtreme, I agree about the bears! We have more than we know what to do with up here in NW MT, it seems every year they become a bigger problem and every year the FWP and USFWS just sweep the issue under the rug! I do think we will see Griz hunting up here before to long, I think that once the Wolf problem is taken care of the Griz will be the next hot topic, unfortunately for us, but fortunate for other, the Griz are fairly isolated in there habitat range at the moment so there will not be as many pissed off people to raise the awareness level. Im glad to see so many people who are not directly affected by the wolves are speaking up.
this past bow season my wife and I were set up on a game trail the elk were using to come back to their bedding area after watering at night. The wolves had this figured out as well but it seemed that so long as the elk stayed close to the base of the ridge and didn't venture into the timber they were fine, (I hunted this small group for 9 days straight) one morning they spotted us coming off the ridge and went into the timber, within 5 minutes the air was filled with the sounds of them blood thirsty bastards. The cows continued using this trail so we set up on the opposite side of it (in the timber) hoping that if they winded us they'd run uphill. The wind was swirling that morning and the elk never showed, we remained patient, after several hours of sitting in the rain we cooked up our Mountain Houses and started to pack up, then we heard the wolves, far off at first then stopping bout 100yards off in the timber, you could tell they had something down as they were going crazy fighting among one another, we snuck out the back door and when I returned to that area later in the season we stumbled upon 2 seperate half eaten cow elk, and never saw a live elk in the area again. It was pretty sad!

Chris Roe
02-28-2011, 12:14 AM
I sit on the Colorado Citizen's Wildlife Advisory Council, and this topic is one that we'll be bringing up soon. In Colorado, there's been a general reluctance to "publicly" bring up the topic of wolves for fear of triggering an emotional "animal rights vs. anti-wolf" fiasco. While we don't "officially" have wolves, we all know its only a matter of time.

Question for those living with wolves right now:

Do you have any links, articles, information from CREDIBLE AGENCY SOURCES that can BE VERIFIED about what the impacts have been over the years to elk, deer, and moose populations/calving rates/etc.? I stress the credible sources and verified because there is SO much emotion to this, unless a "statistic" is SOLIDLY grounded, it can be used AGAINST you more than it'll work FOR you. For our future discussions in Colorado, I'd like to have as much rock solid info as I can get to help the dialog. I have some info/stats, but figured I'd reach out to the hunting community as well.

Thanks!

Chris Roe
Roe Hunting Resources

Livesilly
02-28-2011, 07:47 PM
I thought I would strike the A#1 nerve with this thread! Togather as a hunting community is the only way something is going to get done.......and we MUST see it through to the end....for our kids!

Jerry
02-28-2011, 08:49 PM
Chris, There are a number of wildlife people over here that would have some good information for you, If I can get a name and number I'll send them to you.

prairieghost
03-01-2011, 07:27 PM
In my opinion all you need to look at is the late season hunt for elk in Gardiner. They used to issue over 1000 tags between cow and bull. Now the hunt no longer exists. I believe that you can get the drawing statistics from past years on the montana fwp website.

Firearrow
03-02-2011, 06:06 PM
I thought I would strike the A#1 nerve with this thread! Togather as a hunting community is the only way something is going to get done.......and we MUST see it through to the end....for our kids!

Yup..... What he said.......

jhpam3117
03-08-2011, 02:26 PM
Great thread to be had! Things are loking up for Montana hunters this year, our Governor has instructed all state wildlife officers NOT to investigate or assist in any investigation involving wolves in an effort to put more heat on the USFWS. We are hurting here in NW MT and need action fast!

Lets hope that WY will follow Montana's lead on this one...or do something at least.

Sharpstick
03-08-2011, 04:55 PM
Here in Utah, we are just starting to see some evidence of wolves. Yes, we need to get a handle on them before we're all in the same boat with wolves effecting the game populations and killing domestic livestock.

MT backcountry hunter
03-09-2011, 04:56 PM
It is a shame that our ranchers here in montana and elsewhere are having there lively hood destroyed and no one will listen to them. They hardly make any money as it is and the cattle are being destroyed by the wolves. I am hearing more and more reports in central montana that the wolves are moving out there already. My uncle has 1000 acres in central montana and he had elk on his place all year. You dont see elk in his area let alone in numbers(20+ most evenings all year) only one reason I can think of. Wolves. I think something does need to be done and fast.

Elkcrazedfrk
03-09-2011, 05:11 PM
Its great to see that Montana Gov. Swietzer showed his kahonies and told the Feds to go pound sand. Unfortunately, Wyoming Gov. Mead has said he is going to be more passive and see how the feds wanna handle the situation...Hellooo, Dumb @%$^$!...I think its safe to say that e have all seen how the feds are handling it.....GRRRRRRR.

T43
03-10-2011, 09:00 AM
Do you have any links, articles, information from CREDIBLE AGENCY SOURCES that can BE VERIFIED about what the impacts have been over the years to elk, deer, and moose populations/calving rates/etc.? I stress the credible sources and verified because there is SO much emotion to this, unless a "statistic" is SOLIDLY grounded, it can be used AGAINST you more than it'll work FOR you. For our future discussions in Colorado, I'd like to have as much rock solid info as I can get to help the dialog. I have some info/stats, but figured I'd reach out to the hunting community as well.

Thanks!

Chris Roe
Roe Hunting Resources

I would start by looking at the Idaho 10J file for the Lolo area.

BADbuckfever
03-10-2011, 01:58 PM
They are spreading fast throughout the west and I'm sure they will head east too in time. This issue isnt about re-establishing endangered populations its about CONTROL. The "Sierra Club" types are at war with hunters and any way they can get a foothold in State's game management by introducing wolves or limiting access to public land etc... they will do it.

Here in California we will receive (maybe already) the wolves by way of Oregon who is already spotting wolves frequently. So we too will have to deal with these top predators. This is very scary for California hunters because we are already forbidden to kill Mtn Lions by law due to the ignorant emotional responses of liberal voters that rule this state. So ANOTHER predator added to the mix is very disturbing to say the least.

We have a saying here in California about the "three esses" SSS - Shoot, Shovel and Shut-up!

T43
03-10-2011, 02:05 PM
We have a saying here in California about the "three esses" SSS - Shoot, Shovel and Shut-up!

As many times as I have heard that saying that's the first time its been associated with California.

BADbuckfever
03-10-2011, 04:39 PM
Wolves migrate and so do sayings. :cool:

Shane
03-10-2011, 09:06 PM
Lets turn a pack of wolves loose in Central Park and see what these #$!$ wolf lovers think when there $3000 poodle gets eaten. They all think they should be able to control what goes on in our back yard and affects our lives but I bet if we tried it in their home it would be a whole different story.

BADbuckfever
03-11-2011, 10:30 AM
Right Shane.

I saw a documentary the other night on PBS about the "wolves in paradise valley" from 2006. There were some USFS rangers or animal behavior specialists (cant remember exactly) who were trying to "de-program" the "problem wolves" by using SHOCK THERAPY on the wolves by using an enclosed pen with the wolves inside, then they would introduce a cow/calf with an electronic device that would shock the wolves through a collar they wore when they got within two feet of the calf. So, the cow had an electronic device and the wolves had collars. I thought "oh great, they are going to require livestock owners to buy these devices to put on their cattle." Nope, I was way off. They are trying to re-wire the brains of these "trouble" wolves (ones preying on cattle and sheep) by TEACHING them to avoid livestock. This is NO JOKE! They think wolves can be trained like a bird dog or something, hello!!! These people are KOO KOO!!!!

How can you completely reverse the NATURAL INSTINCTS of these top predators? The only other animal who competes directly with the wolves are grizzlies and they DON'T HUNT IN PACKS like wolves. So, that makes these animals Top Predators with no real management planned and its only just begun.

wolftalonID
03-11-2011, 07:51 PM
Re programing. haha thats a good one. All thats going to happen is the "reprogramed" one will sit back, watch the rest of the pack kill the livestock, then when he smells dinner come and get some. For a while. Stomach over comes the brains training after a while.

Chris, if you look at the OTC hunts in all the states. Use the quota or lack of them from 10 years back. Or 5 years. Biologists are VERY slow to impliment usefull data so what they have learned has only JUST begun to be implemented. I mean when the feds fund the research, it tends to take years to complete.
Then also use the controled hunts as seperate data.
Watch them by zone and by state. There have been a systematic reduction of allowed permits being sold.
Funny thing here in Idaho, the areas that they reduced drastically the elk permits, they also had the highest wolf quotas to boot when they put on their one season puppet show hunt.
The data speaks for its self, because if there was not an issue, then they would not also be reducing the allowed tags and permits for the game animals.

xtreme
03-11-2011, 08:21 PM
The "Wolf Man" Dr Doug Smith started it all with the introductio of 14 canadian wolves into Yellowstone in 1995. "Nature without wolves is not nature," Dr Smith says.

307Wapiti
03-11-2011, 08:39 PM
I at least commend the Montana governor for taking up for the citizens of Montana and declaring that wolf kills no longer be investigated. I am curious to see what the backlash from the federal gov't will be after , as was said before, he told them to pound sand. I can understand Mead not wanting to get in that kind of contest with the feds but things aren't getting any better. There are also camping spots in Western Wyoming that don't allow overnight camping because of the grizzly infestation. I don't understand why we can't make both of those trophy species and hunt them to a controlled population. In my opinion that would've worked a little better than the "shoot on sight" wolf control plan of action that was submitted initially by the State.

Elkcrazedfrk
03-11-2011, 09:21 PM
Mead not wanting to get involved is a big part of the problem with the wolf problem if that makes sense. The powers to be need to make a stand and I too commend Gov. Swietzer

mattm
03-16-2011, 03:36 AM
Is the wolf a endagered species? Or is the wolf a invasive species? Sounds more like invasive species.

walleyed
03-16-2011, 07:32 AM
Wolves are a problem where ever they are reintroduced. We have a problem in MN as well. There was a reason our forefathers got rid of them.

xtreme
03-27-2011, 07:10 AM
The wolf delisting bills have been defeated, What is next? Both the house and senate caved to the wolf lovers. Would a wolf doctumentary showing the kills they make change any thinking in congress.
A group of wolf lovers has a reward fund for finding the people that make illegal wolf kills. There has been two such kills recently and wolf lovers are fit to be tied. At least I get a little satisfaction from that.

Livesilly
03-27-2011, 10:10 AM
Its sad to say, but I don't think congress is going to do anything unless a non-hunting, backpacking/hiking/mountain biker gets attacked.....and it makes a national news channel. Anyone ever thought about becoming an actor!!

xtreme
03-29-2011, 05:36 AM
The local where I hunted in Montana said that wolf attacks will happen.

BADbuckfever
03-29-2011, 09:49 AM
What are you going to do, put elk blood on someone and get them to attract the wolves, hoping the wolves will attack? Sounds like that idiot "grizzly man" who tried to be friends with the grizzly bears in Alaska and they finally ate him.

wolftalonID
03-30-2011, 12:15 PM
What are you going to do, put elk blood on someone and get them to attract the wolves, hoping the wolves will attack? Sounds like that idiot "grizzly man" who tried to be friends with the grizzly bears in Alaska and they finally ate him.

hehehe...everytime I remember that it makes me giggle....hehhehe that dude was a total freak, but better him than me I guess...hehe

BADbuckfever
03-30-2011, 01:04 PM
I laughed a lot during that movie too! Freak describes him well.

Livesilly
04-02-2011, 06:30 PM
The snow is melting daily.......planning on hitting the hills with stick/string the end of the month for some black bear.... Going to try not to end up like the brown bear freak while im out......you know.....just a pile for someone to step in!!!:D

xtreme
04-12-2011, 01:06 PM
The wolf should get delisted this week. http:/biggameforever.org has been working to accomplish this goal. The USFGW my still have oversite but at least progress is being made.
SO 3310, the wildlands bill has been defunded. BLM is back to like it was. Ken Salazar, the Secretary of the Interior, was about to lock up the BLM.

T43
04-13-2011, 11:53 AM
The wolf should get delisted this week. http:/biggameforever.org has been working to accomplish this goal. The USFGW my still have oversite but at least progress is being made.
SO 3310, the wildlands bill has been defunded. BLM is back to like it was. Ken Salazar, the Secretary of the Interior, was about to lock up the BLM.

Not to start a war here but I believe their were several organizations that supported the current wolf delisting (attached to the budget) and as I understand it SFW one of the BGF partners was not on board.

xtreme
04-14-2011, 12:04 PM
I really don't know yet who is the big help. If the wolf gets delisted it will help some. I would like the wolf to be extinct. They ran out of sick and old long ago.

T43
04-14-2011, 04:02 PM
The budget bill has passed the House and Senate! Now it needs to make it over Obama's desk without any changes and we should have wolf tags for sale this fall.

Livesilly
04-16-2011, 07:25 AM
A turn in the right direction!! http://www.ktvb.com/news/politics/Wolf-hunting-in-Idaho-made-legal-again-119949734.html

xtreme
04-16-2011, 08:02 AM
Yes, but it took a while

wolftalonID
04-16-2011, 09:30 AM
I just logged on to Congressman Simpsons web page and sent him a BIG thank you email!! For those who never take time to do so, take a minute today and send him one too.

fassettbd
04-18-2011, 11:31 AM
I logged on to http://www.simpsonforcongress.com/ which is where you can send Congressman Simpson a real thank you by donating to his campaign. You know "the other side" has lots of money-and in politics, money is what gets heard. Some may not be in a position to donate, but if you can, this will mean a lot more-and you can tell them thanks for the important legislative win.

xtreme
05-05-2011, 10:18 PM
I will send a donation

Elkoholic307
08-04-2011, 03:27 PM
As the popular phrase goes, "This is a B.F.D."

http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/article_3bfd8340-9ecf-50a1-8925-fc14c85ddd3e.html

In God We Trust
08-05-2011, 07:54 AM
I just read an article about Judge Molloy hearing a case where extreme environmental groups are challenging the legallity of the delisting bill approved by congress. This is not a sure thing by any means. If Judge Molloy sides with these groups than the wolves will go back on the endangered species list. Which if i understood the articles correctly there will be no wolf seasons again this year. I put another post about some so called hunting magazines that support these extreme environmental groups. If you guys get a chance you should read it quick. Also the NRA and the RMEF have an article about this new court battle with Molloy.

In God We Trust
08-05-2011, 11:05 AM
I just read that on August 03 Judge Molloy upheld wolves being delisted from the ESL. He does not seem to side with the outdoorsman very often. What a surprise! If you guys get a chance you should call his office and thank him for looking out for ranchers and hunters. If you don't want to call him shoot him an e-mail. Contacting elected and appointed officials goes a long way.

Blue Skies Hunting Advent
08-05-2011, 11:40 AM
I'll be in Idaho for 10 days tracking wolfes, so excited I got 2 tags in my pocket. Wish me luck as I will need it.

In God We Trust
08-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Good luck! Knock a couple down. I have been cruising lefty anti hunting sites today reading articles on all of this and those people are not happy, which is a good morale booster.

xtreme
08-26-2011, 12:13 PM
A federal appeals court denied Judge Mallory and the enviromentalist groups request to stop wolf hunting. Wild Earth Guardians and Alliance for Wild Rockies and others plan to take more legal action to prevent hunting of the wolf in the western states.

gretch6364
08-26-2011, 01:56 PM
I live in CO and know they will get here eventually...and I have spent a good amount of time in the Tetons and around Yellowstone. I don't have a problem with having wolves, mountain lions and grizzly in the wild. I actually prefer it...but I do support hunting them and controlling their populations so they do not become a problem.

Goodluck hunting...can't wait to see some trophy wolves!

huskyhunter
09-13-2011, 12:41 PM
This is a really interesting video talking about the introduction of wolves.

http://www.vimeo.com/28858208