^^couldnt have said it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
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^^couldnt have said it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
a 19yo hooking up with his hs 16yo is a very serious crime! lock these kids up and throw away the key I tell ya! same goes for sexting! A serious crime? Some felonies are serious, some are not very.
As to a bow being dangerous, felons CAN own bows, they can't own GUNS.
Is lying to an FBI agent a serious crime? ie martha stewart? Tell me how lying to an fbi agent justifies a felony, but when a cop interrogates a suspect they can outright lie to them legally? absolutely no difference but 1 is a felony and 1 is completely legal!
Ignorance is bliss. Everyone thinks felons are rapist murderers when most are not, and if you knew everyone who had a felony it would blow your mind.
It would be nice if the term felon were restricted to just that, serious offenders. But the hs senior who hooks up with a freshmen at a party I somehow find not quite as serious as a murderer. Btw what is a felony in 1 state isn't a felony in another, ie the age of consent int he US varies from 16 to 17 to 18 depending upon the state.
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Originally Posted by Colorado Cowboy
So what did you do? Statutory? That seems to be the way you are leaning.
The human brain doesn't stop developing until about age 25.
It would be very interesting to see a study of 1 time felons who committed a crime when younger than 25 who have gone on to never commit a crime after 25.
To claim every "criminal" knows they're committing a crime prior to choosing to do so is ignorant if you ask me. Back to teenagers sexting and hooking up, I'm sure most don't know what's illegal or just how illegal something is. I highly doubt teenagers sexting even think it's illegal, let alone distributing child pornography.
It's tough to make it a yes/no answer, there are good people out there that made a mistake and can't hunt because of it, although it may have been 30 years ago. But, there are plenty felons that don't deserve the right also, I believe it should definately depend on the crime/felon history.
I know a very good person that has a felony because he forgot his gun was behind his seat with bullets in the magazine. While according to the law in his state (CA) thats a felony. He certainly did nothing violent or morally wrong. There are alot of people with felonys that are not at all bad, violent or dangerous people in any way.
Was he convicted of carrying a loaded and concealed firearm? Section 12031 of the California Penal Code is a "wobbler", which can be tried as a misdemeanor or felony depending on the following factors. A felony conviction is based on four subdivisions. These subdivisions are:Quote:
Originally Posted by Musket Man
1. Previously being convicted of a felony or any other California firearm offense,
2. Situations where the loaded firearm is stolen and you know or have reasonable cause to believe that the gun is stolen,
3. Unlawfully possessing the firearm or otherwise being prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm ("unlawful possession of a firearm" means that you have taken the gun without permission from the gun’s lawful owner or from a person who had lawful custody of the weapon), and
4. Being an active participant in a criminal street gang.
Perhaps there was more to his story if, in fact, he was convicted of a felony section of 12031 P.C. in California.
I dont know for sure but i know he did none of those 4 things. I do know the cop was after his girl friend or his girl friend was the cops x or something like that and the cop was harassing him and trying to nail him for anything he could any way he could. I dont remember all the small details. Im just saying that just because someone has a felony dont mean they are bad or dangerous.
Well according to others on this site, he obviously knew what he was doing was wrong and chose to commit a felony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musket Man
Not all crimes are planned, not all are said well this is a felony but I'm going to do it anyway,
Can anyone tell me why a person who lies to an fbi agent should not be allowed to bowhunt in Utah? let alone hunt/own a gun? A cop can lie to you, but you lie to an fbi agent and it's a felony. Makes a lot of sense to me... that was sarcasm btw.
Not every felony is armed robbery, murder, etc...
plain and simple the term "felon" covers too many.
I remember on the news a while back they made your 5th DUI a felony! I couldn't help but laugh, why make it 5th? might as well make it 20th, or 200th dui at that rate.
speaking of in canada a dui is a felony, curious how many people have driven drunk or buzzed at least once in their life?
I was riding with a co-worker last fall when he got rear ended about 1.5 miles from a main college campus (where it is obvious with all university buildings). The other guy leaves his info and drives away, we wait for the police to file it. Buddy tells the cop he has a concealed carry. Cop asks where it is and he tells him locked in the seat compartment of his silverado truck. Cop says, good thing it is locked or i would have to arrest you, the campus boundary is that center line of the roadway 15' over there.....even with ccp, he would have committed a felony. with the gun locked away, NC law makes it a class I misdemeanor. Incidentally, that law is up to be changed to not have it a felony if the weapon never leaves the vehicle.
No signs, no way for any of us to know about this obscure campus boundary. Close call for him...apparently there are felonies that are easier to commit than others. I started looking on county GIS sites after that and was amazed at what was deemed "on campus" grounds on many 4 lane public roads in the vicinity of a school or university.
Still not sure about my answer to the poll. Just saying, it may not be black and white.