sell out

The Mule deer hunting in western Wyoming has dropped drasticly due to over hunting, hunting magazines like Eastman's selling out all the good hunting areas in Wyoming, poor management from the game and fish, hard winters, and preditors ( wolves)

Wyoming is not the place to hunt deer in Wyoming

F.O.E

Don't necessarily agree with everything you say, but everyone's entitled to their views.

That's funny. Eastman's has nothing to do with the deer decline anymore than Remington does.

Deer fluctuate due to environmental conditions such as weather and predators more than hunter pressure.

Try hunting in a screwed up state like California, no lion hunting, high bear population and too many coyotes equals a declining deer herd. Throw in a bad winter and you have a recipe for disaster. The anti everything people make it worse. One crappy hunting location in Wyoming is still better than the majority of California.

When the deer population is on the decline and the game and fish do not reduce the number of tags given out, and stories are published about how wonderful the hunting is, just to help thier buisnes going has a lot to do with the decline.

I will agree that exposure in magazines (even Eastmans) has increased pressure and affected draw odds in some places, but it certainly isn't the cause of the mule deer decline. There is a pretty good arcticle on just that in the latest issue of Eastmans.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has affected mule deer more than habitat loss. When people stop purchasing 5 acre "Ranchettes" on the winter range, we will be making real progress.

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Originally Posted by squirrelduster

That's funny. Eastman's has nothing to do with the deer decline anymore than Remington does.

Deer fluctuate due to environmental conditions such as weather and predators more than hunter pressure.

Try hunting in a screwed up state like California, no lion hunting, high bear population and too many coyotes equals a declining deer herd. Throw in a bad winter and you have a recipe for disaster. The anti everything people make it worse. One crappy hunting location in Wyoming is still better than the majority of California.

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Couldn't agree more. Eastmans make areas known to more people. Just because Eastmans says it's good doesn't change the number of tags in an area.

Growing wolf populations, harsh winters, deer migration.... There are a ton of factors. Predators are becoming a huge issue all over the country. From Minnesota to California they are here. Maybe instead of pointing fingers at companies(like Eastmans) who help hunters, sell out should concentrate on talking to politicians who are letting this predator invasion happen.

Trust me I have been involed in meeting with game and fish, politicians. I have wrote many letters and posted my concers to get the wolves under control if not stopped, because I agree they are hurting the population of wild life.


The more people know about a good hunting area the more people want to hunt it. The will become over hunted and the population will go down.

When you grow up hunting an area and know the area well, when you have seen the number of deer decline, and the number of Californa License plates going up is a recipe for disaster.

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Originally Posted by sellout

Trust me I have been involed in meeting with game and fish, politicians. I have wrote many letters and posted my concers to get the wolves under control if not stopped, because I agree they are hurting the population of wild life.

The more people know about a good hunting area the more people want to hunt it. The will become over hunted and the population will go down.

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It won't become over hunted if the tag numbers stay the same. Points required will undoubtly increase, but this has nothing to do with how many people hunt an area. Wolves are anothe subject. Wyoming had the right idea with their first management plan that the fed idsapproved. Treat them like any predator...shoot on sight. I've seen firsthand what the wolves can do. If (and when) they get here to Colorado, thats what I intend to do.

I hope that Colorado will be able to take care of the wolves before they become a problem like they are in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana

I believe most states game dept. can't and will not act in time to manage a declining areas wildlife. States will not cut across the board due to loss of revenue. So some of the most depleted areas get some dosing of quota cuts. I beleive state revenue is put higher than game management. I live in a state that is living proof of this! All through the 80's and early 90's Mule deer tag quota's stayed very high or gained tags. All the time habitat was disapearing,then a series of major winter kill ratio's. The tag numbers in some of the most desirable units stayed high for another 3-5 years after. Almost wiping out gene pools that produced some of OR best bucks.
As far as magazines like eastmans effecting hunting,there is no doubt finding a honey hole that will last for many years is way less likley in these days. We live in an information age! With so many tools to help people spread knowlegde and secrets about hunting it is drawing more people outdoors,wich in the long run might save hunting all together.