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    Stay out of the Casper Region, crappy access and poor hunting. If you want to kil antelope hunt the red desert region of Wyoming. South Central, south of Atlantic city has some pigs in it. Oh and it is BLM for as far as you can see and drive. Lierally hundreds of miles of public access. Locally area 64 always holds some of the biggest goats n Wyoming.

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    Problem is you can only hunt unit 64 every 5 years or so...I am guessing he was around casper because he didn't have points to draw a well known unit like 64....

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwingdevildog View Post
    Stay out of the Casper Region, crappy access and poor hunting. If you want to kil antelope hunt the red desert region of Wyoming. South Central, south of Atlantic city has some pigs in it. Oh and it is BLM for as far as you can see and drive. Lierally hundreds of miles of public access. Locally area 64 always holds some of the biggest goats n Wyoming.
    I beg to differ on Casper. I hunted 73 in 2010 with great access and tons of blm land. There was antelope every where you looked! I killed a great buck, it took five days though. I counted 53 different bucks the first day driving around. They are all 12-13" range with good mass. The biggest problem I ran into was ranchers claiming blm was theirs! As soon as I pulled out my blm maps, their story changed. They do own water up there though so sitting on a water hole is out without a trespass fee. One dude wanted 300$. I don't think he gets alot of business. I do agree on red dessert. I am building points now and will be hunting there In 15 years when I get enough points!

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    If you were on BLM and someone told you that they "owned" the water, and you belived them, you got screwed. Water rights on developed water sources on BLM is held jointly by the government and the permittee. You can't be charged to set a blind on a public land waterhole.

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    DrHJH,
    You are right on the money with everything you said. I've been hunting Wy. every year since 1983 and have wittnessed everything you said. Glad to see when guys have the guts to publicly say it ! There are a few million and billionares who want to buy up all the public land between Mt.,Wy.S.D.Co., NM.,etc. and land lock it. Look at Ted Turner for a great example. He loves all his buffalo though ! Now days if you can't afford an outfitter or know someone with private land to hunt, you have to hunt hard on what's left or pay tresspass fees. I commend the walk in / hunter managemant areas but the get hunted hard just like public land. My favorite is not being able to hunt wilderness areas if youe a non res. Federal land which is not owned by the state and the state sets the rules. Huh ? Locked out of public land because of the outfitter's lobby... Oh well, I'll continuse to hunt Wy. until I can't anymore.
    Colorado Cowboy,
    You are right about area 72. It's mostly private. I know. I own 40 acres of it. Another post in here said to try 72 because of all the public land. Not so. Area 68 and 69 would be much better. You have walk in and public and lots of loper's.

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    Sorry to hear that, working on plans for a 2014 trip, i appreciate your heads up.

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    I feel bad for you, however the other posts are right, you have to be very diligent when it comes to applying for a hunt area. I have hunted southeast Wyoming my whole life and access is getting harder and harder. What with the old time ranchers selling out to rich doctors and lawyers, and outfitters buying up hunting leases, DYI hunters are being crowded into what public land is accessible. There are vast areas of public land is surrounded by private lands and the common Joe hunter is left high and dry. Some are as close as 100 yards to a public road or the corners touch but if you "corner cross"' the outfitter or landowner will call the law and have you arrested for trespassing. It is really frustrating! I believe there needs to be legislation that permits legal hunters and fishermen to access all public lands in reasonable acreages on existing roads, trails etc., across private land.

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    http://www.fs.fed.us/maps/forest-maps.shtml

    Well I do feel for you somewhat. My family has lost lands that we used to hunt due to outfitters taking over. Cant blame the landowners completely.....everyone has to make a living. But I do think there is a little greed at play too in some cases. Same thing is happening here in WI. Unless you got some big bucks, land is hard to find. and land is cheap out west compared to here.....taxes are better too than in WI. But anyways, thats a different topic. It is sad to see our sport slowly going towards big money pay to play........hope that trend somehow changes.

    I do think you were kind of naive and didnt do enough homework, even though it seems like you were well intentioned. I too have hunted "hard access" units, and you really need to do your research. I posted a link to the Forest Service Maps. These are THE maps to use. Unlike BLM maps or online web maps, the FS does a great job of clearly showing public access rds. One hunt jumps to mind......an antelope hunt west of newcastle in the Thunder Basin NGL. We had BLM maps too (always get them as a backup reference), but they were more vague. The FS showed roads that were open to public access and crossed private lands. We used this map to get to a good chunk of public land that you had to cross private lands to get to. The FS highlights those roads in Yellow usually, and marks them "public access" road. We also verified this with the local warden, just to be sure. We watched with Binocs numerous trucks that went up to the gate, stopped, and turned around. A couple of trucks came through like we did, but not many. And we saw more and better goats in that area. HOWEVER.........there are very few roads like this in eastern WY. And there were some areas that we couldnt get to without getting permission, which would most likely would not have been given, or we would have been charged with fees. But if you do your homework, you can find a spot or 2 like we did, and you can have success. You dont need huge areas. Just 1 good spot will fill your tags.

    I have nothing but good things to say about the WGFD. They have been nothing but helpful to me so far. Most of the wardens and biologists have been helpful, and honest, too. One warden we talked to said he would much rather talk to us ahead of time, answer our questions and try to help us, than end up responding to a tresspass call down the road. Most of the wardens we talk too, if you tell them where EXACTLY you want to hunt, they will help you get there. Simply saying "i want to hunt unit xyz" will get you nowhere. But syaing you want to hunt this draw, or this ridge in this area........then I have had nothing but positive feedback from the WGFD and the local wardens.

    Hope my advice helps and good luck on future hunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernWyo View Post
    If you were on BLM and someone told you that they "owned" the water, and you belived them, you got screwed. Water rights on developed water sources on BLM is held jointly by the government and the permittee. You can't be charged to set a blind on a public land waterhole.
    I'm sorry i didn't see this sooner, most water where I hunted was clearly marked private on the map. An old rancher told me the old timers homesteaded the the water holes a long time ago, then lease the land around it for grazing. Seems brilliant to me.

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    That makes more sense, water sources on private land surface is obviously private. This was common practice during the homesteading period.

 

 

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