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    Are ethics just for the field?

    I just have a quick question for everyone. Are ethics only supposed to be present only in the field or should they be present at the range and in tournaments. I know how I feel on the subject but wanted to see if anyone had a different opinion. The reason I ask is we just had a 3D archery shoot and had a group of out of town people blatantly cheat to win a little $3 medal. They took the top 3 places that we award medals for and left. These were all sponsored shooters, and if this is what a manufacturer has representing them I will never purchase any of their products. Thanks for you input.

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    Having integrity means you do the right thing when no one is looking.

    I have no desire to go hunting with or do business with people who don't have integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doe Nob View Post
    Having integrity means you do the right thing when no one is looking.

    I have no desire to go hunting with or do business with people who don't have integrity.
    Agreed 100%. There is no excuse for that, and if I knew who they were sponsored buy I would not buy from them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doe Nob View Post
    Having integrity means you do the right thing when no one is looking.

    I have no desire to go hunting with or do business with people who don't have integrity.
    Doe Nob, Do you apply in any states that have bonus or preference points? Sadly, if you do, you are breaking your own rule because every one of them have cheated and cheapened their points afterward. Today's F&G departments and legislators certainly have no problem screwing the public, especially nonresidents.

    Wish this weren't the truth but but is.
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    While I have no desire to apply in any state with a preference point system, my pay grade is not enough for me to buy landowner tags annually and then head up to BC and shoot a bighorn as well. So I will begrudgingly deal with the mini monopolies sticking it to the non residents. And categorically you can't trust the government to ever do the right thing, but what are the alternatives? I'd be happy if EVERY state did away with preference point systems and went to a pure lottery on all tags.

    I'm not relying on them to get afield though, OTC opportunities exist for deer, elk and antelope if you know where to look and are willing to take up bow hunting.

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    If they cheat in tournaments, you can damn well bet they hunt the same way. I have absolutely no respect for these kind of people. You always hear that all of us hunters should stick together so we can protect this heritage. Let me tell you one thing, I have nothing in common with 90% of all hunters out there. Poachers are hunters too, should we support them? How about people who hunt high fences? Ted Nugent is the worst of them all. The word ethics is foreign to him, and I want no part of anything he supports. All hunters are NOT created equally!
    I recognized long ago that if I have a warehouse full of guns, but no public land or public wildlife, I have nothing!

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    Ok....I am one of the three shooters you are speaking of and I know the other two very well. It really frustrates me that you think we cheated to win a $3 medal. I guess I would just like to know why you think we cheated? 1st place dropped 30 points, 2nd place dropped 45 points and 3rd place dropped 85 points. If we were cheating I don't think a -45 or -85 would be a score to post? I can honestly tell you that we did not cheat or fudge any numbers. It would have been nearly impossible to cheat at this shoot, shooting multiple targets with other groups of shooters...We all shoot 3D very seriously and go to shoots all over the state to just have fun and get ready for hunting season. Also, you say we just grabbed our medals and left....but that is when the shoot was over and we all had a 3 hour drive home. All of us had a blast at the shoot, it was VERY well put together for on indoor 3D shoot. Please don't think we cheated...or make assumptions about what kind of hunters we are...as you yourself stated it's not worth cheating for a $3 medal....those scores are what we actually shot.

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    Sometimes its just hard to imagine that someone may actually shoot better than we do...

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    Not knowing any of the principles in this case, I won't weigh in on the cheating issue.
    But as far as ethics go, your whole life revolves around ethics.
    Does anyone remember the "Golden Rule".
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    I am also one of the shooters you are talking about and you are totally wrong! I would also like to know why you think we cheated? Our scores obviuosly don't show it, 1st(1052 out of 1080), 2nd(1037 out of 1080) and 3rd (962 out of 1080). We go to shoots all over the state and there are people shooting perfect scores at almost all of them. It has never been any of us. The shoot in Havre was very well put on and we had a great time. We also met some great people. You should talk to Ben from the Havre archery club because he shot next to us the whole second day and we all had a great time. We would never even think about cheating at ANY shoot. It wouldn't be worth it for a $3 medal or even a $1000 prize. For god sake I even zeroed one of the 20 point bonuses. As was said in another post we take our shooting very seriously and just go to these shoots to have fun and get ready for hunting season. You shouldn't make assumptions about what type of hunters or people we are without ever meeting us or talking to us. We are going to a shoot in Chester on 3-13 and you are more than welcome to come shoot with us. We would be glad to have you. Let me know on here or send me a PM.

 

 

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