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    Not all the unlimited areas close quickly. I know one unlimited area last fall where one guy killed a ram the day before Thanksgiving and another guy got his on Thanksgiving. Though I do agree that scouting before the season is the way to go.
    I recognized long ago that if I have a warehouse full of guns, but no public land or public wildlife, I have nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceby7 View Post
    Not all the unlimited areas close quickly. I know one unlimited area last fall where one guy killed a ram the day before Thanksgiving and another guy got his on Thanksgiving. Though I do agree that scouting before the season is the way to go.
    ceby7, now you are giving away all the secrets!

    Just kidding,

    Those units are on migrating rams. They move anywhere from 5 to 15 miles a day through the unit. Some lucky hunters have taken a book ram out of that hunt. Not really for an out-of-state hunter, but if you live in the area ...

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    there are many great units in MT that are not located in the breaks. which btw an "average" bighorn in MT of 180" would be a "monster" in another state, if not a state record!

    odds are odds, you have twice the chance of drawing in a unit of 1.5% than you do in a unit with .75% odds, which is similar to saying would you rather apply in a unit with 50% odds or 100% odds of drawing? or 30% vs 60% ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyMusky View Post
    there are many great units in MT that are not located in the breaks. which btw an "average" bighorn in MT of 180" would be a "monster" in another state, if not a state record!

    odds are odds, you have twice the chance of drawing in a unit of 1.5% than you do in a unit with .75% odds, which is similar to saying would you rather apply in a unit with 50% odds or 100% odds of drawing? or 30% vs 60% ??
    I disagree, Husky. When doing your comparison, the difference in odds between the 60% and 30% is 30%, and the difference between the 1.5% and .75% is .75%. So comparing the differences, the 60 vs. 30 is a 40x better advantage than the 1.5 vs. .75.

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    I am building in Points in Montana for sheep and Goat, but not moose.

    I am working on sheep points in the following states UT, NV, AZ, WY, MT and CO.

    It is stupid that CO's desert bighorns are for residents only.

    If I was rich I'd put in for everywhere. NM has some awesome bighorns as well. They bought a lot of Alberta Argali genetics through the Game Dept swaps.

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    Anyone hunting in the Unlimited Areas near Red Lodge before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelweiss View Post
    It is stupid that CO's desert bighorns are for residents only.
    There's one Colorado Desert Sheep tag for S56 this year...

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    Nice! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitterroot Bulls View Post
    I disagree, Husky. When doing your comparison, the difference in odds between the 60% and 30% is 30%, and the difference between the 1.5% and .75% is .75%. So comparing the differences, the 60 vs. 30 is a 40x better advantage than the 1.5 vs. .75.
    not following your math...

    math is math, odds are odds.
    1.5 is twice that of .75, just as 60 is twice that of 30.

    not that any sheep odds are 60%, but when comparing low % hunts, you're 100x more likely to draw a 1% unit than a .01% unit.

    I'm not even sure what max pts for sheep in MT is, but I would assume it's well over 15 or 20,
    my advice to most people is to apply for MT sheep in just about any unit other than 680 or 482.

    there are booners in most units. so would 180" make you happy? or must you have a 200" ?
    Last edited by HuskyMusky; 03-29-2012 at 07:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitterroot Bulls View Post
    I disagree, Husky. When doing your comparison, the difference in odds between the 60% and 30% is 30%, and the difference between the 1.5% and .75% is .75%. So comparing the differences, the 60 vs. 30 is a 40x better advantage than the 1.5 vs. .75.
    I see what you're saying, and yes the difference of 1.5% and .75% is .75% which is twice the odds, ie 200% or 2x better odds of drawing a 1.5% unit than a .75% unit.

    so in this example a .75% difference is a 2x or twice the chance. We're both correct.

    another example, 1 unit has 2 tags, another has 4 tags, both have 100 people applying, so 2/100, and 4/100, you're twice as likely to draw the 4/100 tag, ie 4% vs. 2%, so 2% difference and twice the chance, so 2x or 200% greater chance at drawing the 4/100(4%) tag.

 

 

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