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    Anyone Load 7mm wsm with 168gr Berger VLD's?

    I have a Kimber 8400 Classic that I want to work up a 168 gr BERGER VLD load for. Do any of you have any experience with that bullet in 7mm WSM? I would apprecaite hearing your favorite load reciepe if you care to share.

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    I own a 7mm SAUM and it really likes RL-17 powder with Fed 215GM primers. It shoots the following bullets within a half MOA at 100 yards; 140 grain VLD bullets, 140 grain Accubounds, 150 grain Schiroccos, 140 TTSX, and the 160 grain Accubonds. I just purchased couple hundred 168 VLD's and was planning to load them in my Rem 700, "long action", 7mm Rem Mag.

    My 7mm SAUM, rifle is a Rem 700, "short action", and I read on different forums that I would not be able to get the best accuracy out of the 168 grain VLD because of the limited over all length in a short action rifle (Magazine length). Unless I don't mind loading it like a single shot rifle (No thanks). The VLD bullets are known to shoot best when they are seated long to almost touching the rifle lands. I'm a curious person, so I'm going to load some at magazine length and see how they do. I'll post my results in a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    My 7mm SAUM, rifle is a Rem 700, "short action", and I read on different forums that I would not be able to get the best accuracy out of the 168 grain VLD because of the limited over all length in a short action rifle (Magazine length). Unless I don't mind loading it like a single shot rifle (No thanks). The VLD bullets are known to shoot best when they are seated long to almost touching the rifle lands. I'm a curious person, so I'm going to load some at magazine length and see how they do. I'll post my results in a few weeks.
    Fortunitly for me the Kimber 8400 Short action is built with a Mauser long action mag length. I have WAY more room than I need to achieve MAX COAL. Even using a comparator and seatting on the lands leaves lots and lots of room.

    The first load I worked up was with Retumbo. tried several loads and 68.5 Grains shot VERY well... 1/4 MOA. Not the hottest load around, but I don't buy into all that 100% anyway. Next time out I will borrow a chrono and let you know the speed.
    Last edited by ChadH; 03-04-2012 at 01:24 PM.

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    Sweet! sounds like you have a good load already. I never tried Retumbo in my short mags, gonna have to try it now. I'd like to know the velocity your getting too. I reload for speed and accuracy and have to have both or not happy. The only time I reload for just accuracy and not concerned with speeds is when I reload for my wife and niece, due to their recoil issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    Sweet! sounds like you have a good load already. I never tried Retumbo in my short mags, gonna have to try it now. I'd like to know the velocity your getting too. I reload for speed and accuracy and have to have both or not happy. The only time I reload for just accuracy and not concerned with speeds is when I reload for my wife and niece, due to their recoil issues.
    I'm with you, I just always figure with a turret I am going to compensate anyway (at long range) so the whole velocity/bullet drop deal gets pretty transparent after a certain point. As long as adequate energy is acheived, accuracy is more important to me... but if you can have them both, why not?

    Walt Berger sent me load data, and the guys at Berger recommended Retumbo so that is why I started with that. Retumbo is a great powder because being an "extreme" powder it deals with variances in temp (to a degree altitude since higher is usually colder) very well, it isn't overly sensitive. I am going to try IMR 4350 and H1000 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    The VLD bullets are known to shoot best when they are seated long to almost touching the rifle lands..
    That is a false statement. Straight from Berger. Vld hunting bullets like to jump ALOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drhorsepower View Post
    That is a false statement. Straight from Berger. Vld hunting bullets like to jump ALOT
    Doc... I didn't post my thoughts on that when Bigshot posted it because the reality is it totally depends on your gun. A careful reading of Berger's actual thoughts on seating depth reveals something in between what bigshot and you have said. It is true that in some guns Beger bullets MAY like to "Jump ALOT". Then again they may shoot really well with a small jam as well. Here is a link to the article from Berger, for anyone interested to read:

    http://02b0516.netsolhost.com/blog1/?p=43

    If you notice the two different starting points, one is with a .010 Jam (target bullet) the other is a .010 jump (hunting bullet). As I read it, the difference in starting point is primarily that in a hunting round the bullet needs to feed well in all kinds of factory guns (Bigshot's original point), and that a "pulled bullet" isn't acceptable in a hunting situation. So for a hunting bullet the starting point is OFF the lands. My gun would feed perfectly fine with a slight jam, Big's may not.

    As outlined in the article, there will be a "Sweet Spot" relative to seating depth at which any particular gun will shoot best. That Sweet Spot, according to Berger, is .030-.040 wide (tolerance) so going through their process will give the shooter the correct seating depth for any given gun. In this regard Berger states the following: "This sweet spot is a band .030 to .040 wide and is located anywhere between jamming the bullets into the lands and .150 jump off the lands." That would seem to me to indicate something of a compromise between your assertion that VLD's like to "Jump ALOT" and Big's that they "shoot best when seated long". Either one may OR may not be true.

    In any case, going through the process Berger recommends will clear that up for anyone shooting the VLDs...for THEIR gun. My Kimber at least shot well with .010 jump (at least with Retumbo, that would likely change with powder changes or charge changes). I normally shoot several powders for accuracy and velocity then pick the one I am satisfied with. Once I choose powder, I play with seating depth to dial it in. If all is well at that point, I call it "time to go hunting".
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    Thanks for explaining that in writing a little better, but in my case with having to deal with a short magazine length, I only have two choices on seating depths, far and farther from the lands. The farther the tighter my powder gets crunched with those long projectiles, so I try to stay at magazine length with the heavier bullets.

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    I also have a 7mm SAUM. I shot 168gr Bergers last year but was in a hurry and didn't have time to play at the range. Maybe I will try some of your ideas. Thanks

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    I used the 168 berger on a large bear and recovered the bullet. The bullet went into the off side shoulder and I recovered 33% or 56.5 gr. My bullet muzzle velosity was 3017fps and the bear was broadside at 150 yds according to range finder. Shot placement was perfect behind the shoulder but there was damage to near side shoulder. There was some entrance wound damage.
    My thinking is this bullet kills but with some meat loss, for that reason I am thinking to using my 243wssm with accubonds, still shooting to 600 yds for mule deer this fall. I usually eat what I shoot and I don't think the Noslers will do as much damage.

 

 

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