Hey just a heads up Camofire is running a Core4Element lineup today, if you are in the market to start getting a layering system, this would give you a start at a pretty decent price on some quality clothes. I wore my element pant, and element jacket out turkey hunting the other day, and it snowed like no other. This stuff kept me warm and dry. I have never wore sitka or any of the other good stuff, but I am impressed with Core4.