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    This subject and resident preference points raged on for weeks this winter over on MM. It quickly evolved into simple name calling with little or no original suggestions for a fix. Lots of finger pointing though.

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    The fix is the end user pays more money. Comments of the Dept operating more efficiently, like a business, etc, etc, are nothing but white noise. They're a bureaucracy, that's how they operate, and it's not changing.

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    Another helpful fix would be to charge an access fee for non-hunters, you know the millions of non-hunters and non-fisherman that utilize the public spaces for free. Maybe the dreaded "tax increase" would help, or make it a legislative decision that everyone that hikes, camps, bird watches, etc has a conservation stamp. Hunters and Fisherman front the bill for ALL wildlife management, then we are turned around and sued by anti's and guess where the money comes from...wildlife management.

    On the salary note, $66k starting is pretty steep. But it sounds like it is just a tad higher than the average wage in WY, so I have no problem with it. But they could offer early retirement and buyouts to get rid of some of the "upper management" that is likely duplicated throughout the state.

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    Residents need to pony up and pay more. Even a minimal increase with the amount of resident licenses sold would make a big difference. Not just in Wyoming, but all states in my opinion should increase resident fee's and quit gouging non-residents. I don't have a problem with what the salaries are. If you want good qualified people you have to pay good wages.

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    in Wisconsin, we have state park stickers that you must have to go into a state park with a vehicle whether your hunting, fishing, or hiking or whatever. Never been to Yellowstone, or any wyo state park, but something similar would help, and that would also bring in money from people other than hunters/fishers.

    I know many of you resident Wyoming hunters will hate me.........but it does suck being a non-resident and paying huge license fees. Especially if your hunting Federal Land. Federal Land is paid with Federal Tax dollars, and I living in Wisconsin pay just as much as a Wyoming resident when it comes to Federal lands. So I would rather see an increase in Resident tag prices than another incease in non-resident.

    But in general, I hate always sticking it to hunters and fisherman. I don't want to see ANY tag price increased.

    Finding ways to get money from all the other people who use and enjoy the land and wildlife seems a more fair route. Havent been to Devils tower in decades.....but are their vehicle fees to go there? if not, there should be. Maybe certain "scenic roads" in the black hills or in the bighorns, tetons or ect. You would have to be creative, but simply gouging us non-resident hunters more and more does not seem fair to me. There are also trails in Wisconsin that you must have a "trail pass" to bike, hike, or walk on. Those passes cost money. I am sure something like that could be implemented to help the finances of the WGFD.

    It is sad that us hunters always pay the price and the non-hunters simply whine and get their way.

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    Just a couple off the cuff comments:
    First--- I have no idea where the salary information came from because the current salary range for a starting Warden up through a top supervisoy level with seniority ranges from $42,768 to $77,400. That's a far cry from the BS the OP is putting out about the average guy CLEARING $5,500 a month. With the college degree that's required just to be able to be in the mix for a job, that is not that much money in this day and age, especially one in LE dealing with persons who are armed out in the boonies, along with the other multiple duties their position requires!
    Second---The NR fees amount to about 80% of the money taken in by the G&F on a yearly basis. When you look at the measily fees paid by residents and all the licenses that are available to them for a fraction of the NR fees, it is more than ridiculous! I'm not saying that the fees should be tripled, but in many cases they could be doubled and they wouldn't be out of line. A resident can buy every license available to them and shoot over a dozen animals a year for less than what one NR deer license costs! IMHO they need to pony up to help THEIR G&F Department that does a fantastic job with the money they take in to oversee the huge number of things that are mandated of them.
    Third---A new way to increase funding of the Department is definitely needed, as was mentioned by others. It could be a fraction of a cent on fuel, a few cents tacked onto a motel room, a stamp required of anyone using state and federal land, rather than just hunters paying the freight, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple BB View Post
    Have you looked at the non resident draw odds in Wyoming lately? Demand for most antelope, deer and elk area's far exceeds supply. The way to bring it into equilibrium is charge more. That's if you're talking simple economics...
    I think the way Wyoming G&F figures is, if one guy or group can't afford the tag fees there is always someone with deeper pockets who'll buy that tag offered, whatever the cost. Had a warden tell me once (years ago) that they like it that way. More money from fewer hunters (the special license fee). He said, what's their alternative? Hunting elk at home in Illinois? There are not enough tags to satisfy the demand, and never will be.

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    There has always been more demand than available decent tags, but that will end up running it's course one of these years like it already has in Idaho and Montana where they are now crying for hunters to buy tags that aren't being sold.
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    While I am not defending the G & F pay to their staff, one thing to remember is that what they publish is the salary range is not the true dollars budgeted. In private industry where I was employed for 40 years in upper management(2 large multinational aerospace companies), the money shown annually on W2 forms is not the true amount. We used to figure at least 33 % additional for benefits, sometimes more (vacation, holidays, retirement, medical, etc). Being government I am sure it is much higher.
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    We're talking salary and normally, no matter what position you're talking about, there are fringe benefits that also figure into each person on the payroll like you mentioned. Here are stats right off the net and they aren't out of line with other states listed:

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of May 2011, the mean annual Fish and Game Warden Salary was $55,670, with Maryland offering the highest Game Warden pay at $69,410 (median annual). The lowest of the high paying states was Wyoming, coming in at $52,370 (median annual salary). The BLS indicates that Game and Fish Warden pay in some states can start at $27,090 per year. Those with additional education tend to earn more than Game Warden's who do not have degree's.

    Game Warden Salary

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    $55,670

    Maryland
    $69,410

    Washington
    $61,180

    North Dakota
    $54,440

    Wyoming
    $52,370

    Texas
    $52,980


    Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics as of May 2011, http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333031.htm
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