Great topic umpquahunter! Here in nv, two seasons ago, I was chukar hunting outside of a small town in east of me. This was the first hunting trip for my friends young pointer, the first covey of birds we got into, lets just say the dog was a tad bit gunshy! He took off over the hill away from the truck but towards this power sub station down in the flats. I was watching this dog running away from through my pocket binos when he went through a wash in the flat. I counted 15 bucks bolting out of the wash with around 40 does. It was one of those moments when you couldn't believe what was happening seeing the size of these bucks. There were a few 3x3s and smaller deer but atleast 9 of them were big mature bucks, the biggest non typical I have ever seen! I'm guessing 230 or above. He had double drop tines that hung down a good 10". The best typical in the bunch was pushing 200 as well. He had the most mass I've ever seen on hoof. We saw an old truck parked at the sub station, the old rancher grabbed the dog, we made the mile or so walk over there and on the way we couldn't believe how much deer sign was in this flat! My buddy found a shed of a beautiful typical, i think it was the big ones we saw from last year. This being in early January, I was thinking just a wintering range and the bucks don't live there year around but according to the old man, he keeps tabs on them and finds them within a mile or so of this sub station all the time. When we got to the old rancher, he saw the shed and said,"you found a little guys shed huh"? I explained I didn't think that was a little shed, he said," I understand son, this area, that there is a small shed." In my mind I was calling bs. We started talking about deer hunting, he pulled out a few photos he kept in his truck and lets just say, the bucks we saw were merely an example of what was in this little valley. The good part is this spot is less than 2 hours from home, bad part is you need on average 2 points to draw this zone. I have been putting in ever since so maybe next year will be my year!