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    Arizona Unit 19B Antelope

    I have been buying antelope points in Arizona since my twenties since I have been applying for sheep, elk and deer. I now have 23 points and can draw any unit in the state in the max point pool. I understand Unit 10 and Unit 5B are two of the best unit in the state. Unfortunately next year (2013) I have a scheduling conflict that would not allow me to invest the time to scout and hunt either of those units due to the season dates.

    There are a couple units that have later season dates. The one that stands out is Unit 19B with only 5 tags. Does anyone know that unit and the trophy potential. My goal when I draw Arizona is to put in 10-14 days with the goal of taking 85"+ buck.

    Also how is the moisture in that part of Arizona?

    I will never be in this point position again, and would rather buy points for another 5 years than draw the wrong unit, or draw on a bad moisture year.

    Thanks a bunch.

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    Wait on unit 10. You won't be sorry if you waited a year or two more. I have a friend that is a NR of AZ and has drawn 3 premium lope tags there, 19A, 10 and 5B. He loved unit 10, but wasn't impressed with the other units.

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    Thanks BWHT4X4. Do you know what year your friend had the Unit 10 tag and the Unit 5B tag? Also were these rifle or archery tags? My understanding is that 5B really turned on about 2010 or 2011, and had been struggling a bit before that.

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    UH, I'm in Big Sky, MT until tomorrow and will PM when I get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwht4x4 View Post
    UH, I'm in Big Sky, MT until tomorrow and will PM when I get a chance.
    Sounds great BH4X4...I really do like the idea of hunting Unit 10, because I should have enough points to draw an archery elk tag in Unit 10 in 2014, so hunting antelope there in 2013 would give me some time on the unit to check out the elk as well.

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    UH, PM sent.

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    I have the points to draw the unit 10 NR archery lope tag. Figure it's the best use of my points since I'll never draw rifle there. Couple guys told me the fawn crop was poor last year and I should wait until 2014 to hunt it if I do. Also claimed hunt was tough for bow due to large water tanks tough to get close. So most guys stalk. This sound correct? HT only has success rates for last 2 years........at about 30%. Seems worth a shot.
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    I can't see why the fawn crop is going to hurt your hunt unless you're after a yearling buck. A decent buck is going to be 5+ years old and not impacted by this year's fawn crop. This could impact hunters in future years, but not your hunt in 2013 if you draw.

    A larger impacting disease event is a different story, but a poor fawn crop isn't going to hurt your hunt.

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    Well it must have been a few years ago then. They both just said the age group coming up in 2014-2015 should have more shooter age bucks.

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    Here is the "fawn" situation in Unit 10 according to the Arizona Pronghorn Management Plan published by the AZFG in 2011:

    "The long term average fawn survival in Unit 10 equals 33 fawns per 100 does. Fawn survival averaged 45 fawns per 100 does from 1947-1971, during the time when predator control was practiced. Fawn survival from 1972 to present, the post preditor control era, equals 23 fawns per 100 does.

    In 2010, 31 fawns per 100 does were surveyed and in 2011, 53 fawns per 100 does were surveyed. This increase in fawn survival is due to preditor control practices being implemented in Unit 10. Since May 2010 approximately 494 coyotes were removed by aerial gunning and trapping within 15 months. "


    From what I have read a buck antelope's horn growth typically peaks in the 3rd or 4th years. That means that in 2013 there should be a bump in the number of three year old bucks in Unit 10 (from the good fawn survival in 2010). In 2014 and 2015 there should be a substantial bump up in three and four year old bucks (from the great fawn survival in 2011).

    I'm thinking pretty seriously of waiting a year or two longer to draw.
    Last edited by Umpqua Hunter; 01-03-2013 at 11:37 PM.

 

 

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