Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 29 of 29

Thread: Pack goats

  1. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    oklahoma
    Posts
    200
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    never heard of this method be for sure seems interesting, it seems to be a method that would either be really good , or really baaaaaaaaaa d !!!

  2. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Kalifornia
    Posts
    793
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 30 Times in 28 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Wild Country,
    Have a friend that had goats and just bought 3 packer's. maybe you could pick each other's brains . Send me a PM and I'll give you his email address. He's not a forum member but would be interested in this thread .

  3. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    OR
    Posts
    138
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts
    Congratulations
    1
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by HuntWYODon View Post
    Wild Country,
    Have a friend that had goats and just bought 3 packer's. maybe you could pick each other's brains . Send me a PM and I'll give you his email address. He's not a forum member but would be interested in this thread .
    PM sent...Thanks!

  4. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    600
    Thanks
    359
    Thanked 224 Times in 133 Posts
    Congratulations
    122
    Congratulated 7 Times in 5 Posts
    As a point of interest...Alaska has recently made it illegal to use domestic sheep and goats as pack animals. So far this only applies to those hunting Dall sheep, Goats or Muskox.
    There was significant testimony that a real possibility of disease could be carried and transmitted to wild populations. The effects can be devastating.
    We have had no disease issues yet but the risk outweighs the benefits. The risk is probably more obvious in the sheep and goat populations, I don't recall the specific risks to muskox as they inhabit a completely different environment.

  5. #25
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Northeast Nebraska
    Posts
    51
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    The diseases that they are worried about they get from nose to nose contact. And the people that uses pack animals take care of their animals. so a perfect example of one bad apple ruining it for everyone. Sometimes it doesn't seem like a free country.

  6. #26
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    1
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    The disease, that has the sheep world so scared is a viral for of pneumonia. Although they have done tests in the lab and have been able to cross contaminate from goat/sheep to wild sheep, there is no evidence that any of the die offs were caused by goats. But because its possible, they fear is there. And nebow is correct, they would more or less have to rub noses with an infected goat/sheep. There are other worries but not on a die off scale with other domesticated goat/sheep diseases.

    Now as for pack goats, you dont need to bottle feed them to have them bond with you. Infact, I think its best they see you as a herd boss rather then their mama. Goats have a herd ranking system and if you're not at the top, then you dont stand a chance in controlling them. This is not to say to be mean or abusive in any way, but they need to know you are the one in charge because on the trail they need to have confidence in you. The more they see you as their herd boss, the easier it is going to be to train them. Make no mistake, goats are just as smart as dogs and pigs. You can show a goat where a treat is (say in your pocket, one time) and they will remember from that point on. They can be trained with whistles, or words or even random sounds. Just depends on how well you do the training. This is also another reason to get them right after they are weened. Usually at the 3 month mark. They cant take a saddle till about a year and a half (125 lbs.+) but as soon as a dog pack fits, they can start being trained to the feel of something on their backs. At 125 lbs, the typical pack saddle will start to fit well enough to wear. You still dont wanna put any weight over a couple of pounds in the saddle till it fits totally correct (typically 150+ lbs coming up on two years old). Equal weight is a must in the panniers that drape over the saddle. Each goat is different but if after a couple of miles on an average trail, you find the goat wanting to lay down and rest, then you are over burdening the goat. After 3 years to 4 years of age, is when a goat is at its peak weight. But like mentioned, you can start their training as soon as the saddle fits but wait till about 2 years of age before you put more then a couple of pounds on em. By doing this in a training manner you are conditioning that animals, not abusing it and it will last must longer then an animal that is not cared for. This also brings into the spot light, using them as bait or decoys. Most other hoofed animals will actually stop to get a better look at the goats. And often times will venture toward them. Making them amazing decoys for other pray animals. But NEVER use your pack goat as bait. The time, effort and money a true pack goat owner puts into their animals, this is an unthinkable act. If you wanna use one for bait, go buy a butcher goat and stack it up somewhere if that is the way you plan to hunt. A sever encounter with a predator can totally shut down an animal for the rest of its life and it will be skittish on the trail for the rest of its life. This is mainly because a goat can remember chit a long time and if not reassured, by the "herd boss" then it will just be to afraid to be effective. Granted, this is a rare occasion but its been known to happen. I know of someone who trained their goats to present their horns to dogs on the trail. It took a couple of years but by the time they were trail ready, they had no fear of dogs.

    To sum it up, a pack goat is a great and easy way to pack out game or pack in supplies or just for hiking. But you must spend the time in training in that first couple of years so that you and your goats can enjoy the trail and have successful trips. If you are not willing to put the time in, then you will just regret it later on. Am also available for more info and contacts. Even a master hunter who uses a string of 8 to pack out bull elk.

    http://trinitypackgoats.webs.com

  7. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    OR
    Posts
    138
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts
    Congratulations
    1
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by TrinityPackGoats View Post
    The disease, that has the sheep world so scared is a viral for of pneumonia. Although they have done tests in the lab and have been able to cross contaminate from goat/sheep to wild sheep, there is no evidence that any of the die offs were caused by goats. But because its possible, they fear is there. And nebow is correct, they would more or less have to rub noses with an infected goat/sheep. There are other worries but not on a die off scale with other domesticated goat/sheep diseases.

    Now as for pack goats, you dont need to bottle feed them to have them bond with you. Infact, I think its best they see you as a herd boss rather then their mama. Goats have a herd ranking system and if you're not at the top, then you dont stand a chance in controlling them. This is not to say to be mean or abusive in any way, but they need to know you are the one in charge because on the trail they need to have confidence in you. The more they see you as their herd boss, the easier it is going to be to train them. Make no mistake, goats are just as smart as dogs and pigs. You can show a goat where a treat is (say in your pocket, one time) and they will remember from that point on. They can be trained with whistles, or words or even random sounds. Just depends on how well you do the training. This is also another reason to get them right after they are weened. Usually at the 3 month mark. They cant take a saddle till about a year and a half (125 lbs.+) but as soon as a dog pack fits, they can start being trained to the feel of something on their backs. At 125 lbs, the typical pack saddle will start to fit well enough to wear. You still dont wanna put any weight over a couple of pounds in the saddle till it fits totally correct (typically 150+ lbs coming up on two years old). Equal weight is a must in the panniers that drape over the saddle. Each goat is different but if after a couple of miles on an average trail, you find the goat wanting to lay down and rest, then you are over burdening the goat. After 3 years to 4 years of age, is when a goat is at its peak weight. But like mentioned, you can start their training as soon as the saddle fits but wait till about 2 years of age before you put more then a couple of pounds on em. By doing this in a training manner you are conditioning that animals, not abusing it and it will last must longer then an animal that is not cared for. This also brings into the spot light, using them as bait or decoys. Most other hoofed animals will actually stop to get a better look at the goats. And often times will venture toward them. Making them amazing decoys for other pray animals. But NEVER use your pack goat as bait. The time, effort and money a true pack goat owner puts into their animals, this is an unthinkable act. If you wanna use one for bait, go buy a butcher goat and stack it up somewhere if that is the way you plan to hunt. A sever encounter with a predator can totally shut down an animal for the rest of its life and it will be skittish on the trail for the rest of its life. This is mainly because a goat can remember chit a long time and if not reassured, by the "herd boss" then it will just be to afraid to be effective. Granted, this is a rare occasion but its been known to happen. I know of someone who trained their goats to present their horns to dogs on the trail. It took a couple of years but by the time they were trail ready, they had no fear of dogs.

    To sum it up, a pack goat is a great and easy way to pack out game or pack in supplies or just for hiking. But you must spend the time in training in that first couple of years so that you and your goats can enjoy the trail and have successful trips. If you are not willing to put the time in, then you will just regret it later on. Am also available for more info and contacts. Even a master hunter who uses a string of 8 to pack out bull elk.

    http://trinitypackgoats.webs.com
    Trinity....just saw this in my profile. Thanks for the information. You have actually already helped me out a ton when my goats were bottle babies and with a two year old I bought and couldn't get him to work with me....the advice for the cough the kid had was gone in 4 days after the shot u told me to give him and the older goat now is working well and all I did was have to keep trying different types of treat...salty chips didn't a host of other treats didn't work but garlic and herb triscuts are the ticket for that him. That was on the old pack goat forum that's is now the goat spot!

  8. #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Fort Collins, CO
    Posts
    111
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 30 Times in 24 Posts
    Congratulations
    4
    Congratulated 29 Times in 2 Posts
    I have used pack goats before. I like to call them my hunting "epic fail"! I used panniers and cross buck saddles build for them and the saddle setup was flawless. Pack goats have their place but I found that mine just do not have the same mind set as a mule and can not go as hard obviously. I bought two trained wethers and to be fair I probably took them too far the first time, but when they got lazy they always wanted to lay down. I am sure there are many people who use them with more success than I have had, but to me it just seemed like a great idea that didn't work out for me. I typically like to hunt 8-10 miles from roads with steep elevation gain and they just were not up for that even when conditioned. Maybe I needed more goats so they could carry less weight. Anyways this is just my experience with them, I may get back into someday and give it another shot. Goats are very easy keepers and my two wethers were alpine saanen crosses.

  9. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Mesa Az.
    Posts
    200
    Thanks
    31
    Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts
    Congratulations
    1
    Congratulated 2 Times in 1 Post
    When you get more info let me know I have been entertaining that thought also,

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. montana goats
    By nebugle in forum Sheep, Moose and Goat
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 03-07-2014, 02:54 PM
  2. packing with goats
    By az.mountain runner in forum Bowhunting
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-19-2012, 07:54 PM
  3. Goats in the lower 48?
    By HuskyMusky in forum Sheep, Moose and Goat
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 04-15-2012, 02:13 PM
  4. Packing with goats
    By nebowhunter in forum Other
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 02-01-2012, 08:25 PM
  5. Wyoming Goats
    By waterswat in forum Antelope
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 03-30-2011, 11:56 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •