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    Was this rancher paying the BLM or is he a free grazer?

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    He paid up until the BLM tried to put him out of business by cutting his allotment by 85%.
    "Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I fee. One is the colors that fly high and proud The red, the white, the blue. The other one's got a rattlesnake With a simple statement made "Don't tread on me" is what it says and I'll take that to my grave. Because this is me. I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs. And I've said it before but I'll say it again 'Cause my family's always fought and died to save this land. And a country boy is all I'll ever be."

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    I guess I don't fully understand. If I leased land for grazing and I wanted to eliminate this lease am I not allowed to just because it wouldn't benefit the leasee? I hunted a lease of 440 acres all my life and killed my first deer on it and after 20 years of this the landowner decided to sell and eliminate the lease. I wasn't even allowed to pout over it and I don't think he has anymore rights than any other person in the west or the whole country. All this being said I certainly feel his pain being a rancher myself.
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    These grazing leases go with deeded land and the deeded land is not worth much without the grazing allotment that goes with it. Its a little different then just leasing land. In a state like Nevada that is mostly public land if a rancher looses the grazing allotment that goes with his deeded land he is pretty much out of business.
    "Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I fee. One is the colors that fly high and proud The red, the white, the blue. The other one's got a rattlesnake With a simple statement made "Don't tread on me" is what it says and I'll take that to my grave. Because this is me. I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs. And I've said it before but I'll say it again 'Cause my family's always fought and died to save this land. And a country boy is all I'll ever be."

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    If the land doesn't belong to BLM then I totally agree. Im not sure whom the land is deeded to. If there is a dispute in ownership then it should be settled in court but if a leaseholder isn't paying the federal govt a lease fee because he feels that the land SHOULD belong to the state then that is a totally different matter. I don't normally trust the feds but if its federal land then I don't see the rancher having much ground to stand on. But like I said im on the outside lookin in and probably shouldn't even comment

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    You need to research the Bundy family. They are in the right & the feds are wrong. They have a treaty that dates back to the 1800's before BLM existed. The treaty should be honored & grandfathered as long as a Bundy is alive and ranching!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musket Man View Post
    I dont see how its subsidized since the rancher pays per AUM to run cows on it. Its money that the land would not make otherwise. Sure its not the most productive grazing land but you can still run cattle on it.
    Pricing and formula for it creates a price well below FMB to boost their incomes. Grazing fees don't even cover oversight and despite beef prices being sky high those fees have remained level at the price floor despite beef prices supposedly calculated into the AUM prices. It's basically just a way to pump more $ into those economies.






    He's had 2 court appearances to prove he has rights to it and can't produce anything. BLM formation has no bearing on anything, they're just an agency, Feds still own it public lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musket Man View Post
    These grazing leases go with deeded land and the deeded land is not worth much without the grazing allotment that goes with it. Its a little different then just leasing land. In a state like Nevada that is mostly public land if a rancher looses the grazing allotment that goes with his deeded land he is pretty much out of business.
    A good friend of mine we hunt with has a bunch of deeded land he grazes his cattle on. No doubt if they took the land away he would be in big trouble.
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    Loosing their grazing allotment has put alot of ranchers under. Its also made alot of ranches worth next to nothing since a big part of their value was in the grazing allotment that came with the deeded land. Its a bad deal.
    "Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I fee. One is the colors that fly high and proud The red, the white, the blue. The other one's got a rattlesnake With a simple statement made "Don't tread on me" is what it says and I'll take that to my grave. Because this is me. I'm proud to be American and strong in my beliefs. And I've said it before but I'll say it again 'Cause my family's always fought and died to save this land. And a country boy is all I'll ever be."

 

 

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