We based all on 2012 history. And 1 PDP. Had 85% chance in 63-1. 63-2 looked very under applied & we thought if unlucky in 63-1 would easy get 63-2. Ditto on 69.
Last edited by Umpqua Hunter; 08-10-2013 at 08:02 PM.
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Area 69 had 2 tags in the random/special draw with 51 people in the pool. (qty (24) 1st choice , qty (16) second choice and qty (11) 3rd choice)
I thought all people (1st choice who didn't get drawn by PP) 2nd and 3rd choice people all had the same odds of drawing- can someone clarify?
There are four drawings for NRs. There is a Special PP, a Regular PP, a Special with no PPs involved, and a Regular Random with no PPs involved. Unit 69 had 6, 9, 2, and 3 tags issued, respectively, in those drawings. If you have any PPs, you are placed in the Regular PP drawing or the Special PP drawing depending on what you pay. The tags in those drawings go to first choice applicants with the most PPs down the line until they are gone or there are no more first choice applicants and then those who have put it as their second choice get a chance. The same goes in the Random Special drawing for those who applied with no PPs. After those drawings are held the remaining people who applied for that unit and were not drawn are put into the Regular Random drawing. There were 3 tags available in that last draw for unit 69 and there were still 89 first choice applicants left to be randomly chosen from for those 3 tags. The only way a person can draw on a second choice is if there are still tags left after all first choice applicants are satisfied. Then the drawing is held for those people and then for those as a third choice if there are still tags left. If you highlight "HUNTING" at the top of the G&F website and then click on "WGFD Regulations" you will find the final numbers the Commission has approved for each unit for each animal. That was signed and posted on the site this year on 4/25/13, which gave applicants almost 6 weeks until 6/3 to change (modify) or completely withdraw their applications.
Last edited by Topgun 30-06; 08-11-2013 at 07:58 AM.
The G&F posts their tentative numbers on their website early in the year. Then they release their actual proposed quotas at the spring meetings. Those numbers have to be approved by the Commission which is done before the application period ends. I waited until after the Commission approved the numbers and called the G&F to confirm. Worked out as I drew a premium elk tag.
Well if you want some advice you are going about the drawing all wrong. First of all 63-1 is a shadow of what it used to be which is why they cut tags so dramatically. Been years in the making, should have happened in about 2010. You cant have people hauling truck loads of does and fawns out of a unit for years on end without hurting the population. Ranchers wanted the population reduced and that is exactly what happened. I used to hunt/apply there and I don't anymore.
If I was you I would look elsewhere. 63-2 was only available as a second choice last year because it was a new hunt based on the fact that most of the goats have moved to the east side of 63 due to water issues. They forgot to list 63-2 in the regulations so virtually nobody knew about it. The hunt went to leftover status and sold out in like 25 seconds which should have been a clue about demand. You will never see 63-2 make it to leftovers again or even second choice availability. The mags pimped 63 hard for several years during the antelope hunting boom, a whole generation of goat hunters have that unit on their list every season, all the more reason to pick another unit.
You also will likely never get 69 as a second choice since tag cuts and demand increase has made it a preference point unit now. I would start researching other units, you can have great goat hunts in other parts of Wyoming without waiting years in between.
Stay away from what the mags pimp and you will get drawn more often.
Last edited by EBOLAVIRS; 08-10-2013 at 11:45 PM.
To the OP---If you want a unit that has plenty of public land and is pretty good to take your boy to in 2014, buy another PP before 9/30 if you didn't buy one when you applied this year. Next year put in for unit 27 as your first choice and you should draw it with 2 PPs. I'd also suggest that you skip the first few days of the season in any unit you go to and you'll have a lot more fun after the orange crowds go home.
I have to say one thing....this post has generated a lot of comment and advice from a lot of hunters who know the system. You are getting a valuable education that some had to learn the hard way. If you get the regs out and do a little research and remember what is here, you should be ok for the coming years.
PS... I took my son to Wyoming antelope hunting when he was 12 (he is now 48!) and he shot his first goat. Really great experience for young hunters. Lots of animals to see and should always fill their tag.
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