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    Quote Originally Posted by xtreme View Post
    I like the 7mm. The BC of 617 in Berger 168 should be the better of the group and is capable of long range
    Great numbers. That's why I switched.

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    The 168s seem to be the latest fad. A lot of people get all googly eyed, (me included) by the high BCs of the VLDs, but they are just fragile target bullets. I would go with the 160 AB. The coefficient is still good at .531, and you get the performance of a premium hunting bullet.

    Sorry if this post comes off rude, just take it as kind of a 'forewarning'. I used to be on the Berger bandwagon until I saw their flaws in the field. I will say this though, if you're only shooting targets, they work great! They kill paper very, very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitterroot Bulls View Post
    Yeah that 7-08 will knock em down just fine ... elk included. I did not recover the Berger. It punched an entrance hole, obliterated the lungs, and punched an exit hole. Meat damage was minimal. It was shockingly good performance. I was a little wary of hunting with a target-style bullet, but spoke to enough people that had actually used them to be confident. I've heard people that have never used them that they are "explosive" and "fragile," but that was not my experience. There are two lines of Berger VLD bullets, and one is marked "VLD-Hunting." They look the same, but are constructed differently. I will try to find a link to the John Barsness test article on Bergers for hunting. They had great results on over 200 animals. That is a good track record. They worked for me.

    I found that article while writing this:

    http://www.bergerbullets.com/Informa...ss Article.pdf
    Hmmm, seems like we disagree on the Bergers. Above is a previous post of mine from this very thread. Have you seen that article? I am curious if the failures you observed were with the VLD or VLD-Hunting? I certainly agree that the accubond is an awesome bullet and any BC over .500 G1 is excellent in a hunting bullet.

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    I am glad to hear somebody doesnt like em. I hear nothing but good things and I like to hear honest evaluations. Thank you. Hopefully now I do not share the same opinion as you because of all the range hours I have put in on them. I shoot the accubond now and have a great load worked up for them. It did take 400 rounds down range though. I tried like heck and finally got a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitterroot Bulls View Post
    Hmmm, seems like we disagree on the Bergers. Above is a previous post of mine from this very thread. Have you seen that article? I am curious if the failures you observed were with the VLD or VLD-Hunting? I certainly agree that the accubond is an awesome bullet and any BC over .500 G1 is excellent in a hunting bullet.
    Yes, we do. I've had the same positive results that you have had; just not every time. And yes, I was using their hunting bullets. My main argument is their consistency. The bullets differ from lot to lot. You never know what you're going to get because lot #1 may shoot differently than lot #2. Even the most die hard Berger shooters will admit to that. My biggest problem with them is expansion on impact. I made (what I thought was going to be) a perfect double lung shot on a whitetail doe and it literally blew up on the hide. There was no penetration whatsoever. I might as well have thrown a firecracker at her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkoholic307 View Post
    Yes, we do. I've had the same positive results that you have had; just not every time. And yes, I was using their hunting bullets. My main argument is their consistency. The bullets differ from lot to lot. You never know what you're going to get because lot #1 may shoot differently than lot #2. Even the most die hard Berger shooters will admit to that. My biggest problem with them is expansion on impact. I made (what I thought was going to be) a perfect double lung shot on a whitetail doe and it literally blew up on the hide. There was no penetration whatsoever. I might as well have thrown a firecracker at her.
    Interesting. I will have to keep an eye on that lot-to-lot consistency. I purchase mine in bulk from a major ammunition manufacturer in my neck of the woods, so I end up getting hundreds from the same lot. I had just the opposite result of your whitetail doe on my bull from last year. Expansion was delayed, leaving a small entrance hole, and wrecked internals. Enough of the bullet held together to exit through a far-side rib. My results seemed consistent with those found in the Barsness article.

    There are failures with just about any bullet design. I have killed a bunch of critters with Accubonds, and really like their performance. It is usually boom, and the game goes down. However, I shot my biggest bull with 200 grain .308 Accubonds, and it took four rounds. At first, I was disappointed with my own marksmanship. Then, during necropsy, it turns out all four punched holes through the lungs, with fairly narrow wound channels. Usually Accubonds leave the lungs in ribbons. I chalked it up to an anomoly, and the fact the bull was 900+ pounds on the hoof.

    Even after that experience, I would use (and have used) Accubonds with confidence. Accubonds have worked as advertized farm more often than this one-time mediocre performance.

    I also had an acquaintance tell me he won't use Accubonds, because he blew one up on the shoulder of a cow, but I suspect it was actually a ballistic tip.

    I certainly agree hunters should use what they are most confident with.

    BTW, I have never had a Barnes TTSX failure ... but I have heard rumors of them failing to open. They have all been quick one-shot kills for me.

    I appreciate the conversation, Elkoholic307.

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    TTSX & TSX up to .25, ABs past that. I do have a 2 .25 cal rifles that like 110gr ABs better than the tsx.

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    My favorite bullets in my hunting rifles:

    .280 Rem is the 140gr AB

    .338-06 is the 210gr Partition

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    looks like i'm the only hornady guy on here, I use 165 grain sst's in my 300 wsm and knocked down my elk at over 500 yards. I also use 87 grain btsp in my 25-06 for antelope and coyotes. Then I use 40 grain v max's out of my 22-250

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    I'm a little late getting here, but it was an interesting read.

    I'm on the bandwagon with most. My favorite all around bullet is the accubond, but I've had success with bergers also. One thing I found with the bergers in 6mm (87 & 95gr) is that they seldom exit and the animal loses very little blood from a small entrance wound. They did enough damage that the deer fell right in their tracks or close to it, and left very little blood on the ground to contaminate an area with it's scent. It was nice when letting my girlfriend or neighbors take management deer from my stand sites. I had trouble with them punching through coyotes without much damage at longer ranges also. I plan to keep trying 140gr bergers in my 264WM also, but it's accubonds for me in everything else or for anything bigger than deer. I love how fast accubonds open, even using elk weight bullets on coyotes they open fast and deliver shock instead of burning through but they still retain their weight and penetrate. I've never recovered an accubond from something smaller than an elk that I can remember. The accubond is the most consistent and forgiving bullet I've tried.
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