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    Dick Metcalf

    Did anyone here read Guns&Ammo's December issue yet? I'll direct you to the last page & Metcalf's stupid and harmfull essay therein. He sure put a knife in the back of all gunowners with his "Pro-Regulation" stance on concealed carry. I think perhaps he's lived in Illinois too long or perhaps he's just getting senile. He seems to think that a forced 16 hour gun training and testing session plus whatever fees Feds/State/local law enforcement wants to charge is no infringement on our second amendment rights. The other thing I find incredible, is that G&A actually published it.
    Metcalf sure pulled a "Zumbo" writing that harmful trash, and in my opinion should be fired for it. G&A is sure to lose a significant number of subscribers because of it. Check-out the G&A website.

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    I subscribe to G & A and have read the article.

    Unfortunately I don't completely agree with either of you. I am a CC holder and have been for 15 years. I've been thru the training MY state requires. The Feds pretty much stay out of the CC issue, it is the states that set the requirements. Some states are fine, some aren't. Here in Colorado the requirements were rewritten a couple of years ago. Before then, each County could set their own regs. Now everything is state level, but the County still issues the permit but adheres to the state reqm'ts.. Some states it's almost impossible to a C C permit...like California.

    Do I believe that setting requirements for the issues of a CC permit is wrong......emphatically no. Not every gun owner should automatically have a CC permit. I believe that training and profiency should be part of the requirements. Should everyone automatically get a hunting license.....thats why we have Hunter Safety Training. If you believe that no training and profiency is required, then we should do away with hunter safety too. I don't think so. I sure wouldn't want to be in the field if that was the case.

    We need some REASONABLE regulation for everyones safety, especially mine. Rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorado Cowboy View Post
    I subscribe to G & A and have read the article.

    Unfortunately I don't completely agree with either of you. I am a CC holder and have been for 15 years. I've been thru the training MY state requires. The Feds pretty much stay out of the CC issue, it is the states that set the requirements. Some states are fine, some aren't. Here in Colorado the requirements were rewritten a couple of years ago. Before then, each County could set their own regs. Now everything is state level, but the County still issues the permit but adheres to the state reqm'ts.. Some states it's almost impossible to a C C permit...like California.

    Do I believe that setting requirements for the issues of a CC permit is wrong......emphatically no. Not every gun owner should automatically have a CC permit. I believe that training and profiency should be part of the requirements. Should everyone automatically get a hunting license.....thats why we have Hunter Safety Training. If you believe that no training and profiency is required, then we should do away with hunter safety too. I don't think so. I sure wouldn't want to be in the field if that was the case.

    We need some REASONABLE regulation for everyones safety, especially mine. Rest my case.
    I agree with the required training and agree with some of the regulations that a person must adhere to so that they can get a CC permit.
    I adamantly believe that EVERYONE should be required to pass a hunter safety course no matter how young OR old they are. None of the "if born before this date" crap, grandfathered in. I've seen too many "jerks" that have no business out in the field with a weapon in their hands and no clue what the hell they were doing.

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    I agree some form of training should be required. Washington here all you have to do is pass the background check. I think Idaho has a good idea here. They accept a hunters safety card, DD 214 showing you were in the military, or you can take a 1 day course. I got Idaho's too because it is accepted in Wyoming, Nebraska, and a couple other states that WA is not. ! thing I cant understand is if you are an ID resident your CWP is accepted in CO, but if your not an ID resident its not accepted in CO. The requirements are the same for either.

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    There needs to be some training involved. I was able to get mine in Wyoming by showing them my hunter safety card and a background check. I took Hunter safety when I was 8 years old. Thats all they needed.

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    My father taught me how to use a firearm. That is probably not good enough for the state I live in. When facing my assailant, I'm O.K. with a handgun and no formal training.

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    "Shall not be infringed". A right given to us by our creator, no requirement for a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippy Hacky View Post
    "Shall not be infringed". A right given to us by our creator, no requirement for a class.
    Finally, someone with the right answer. Requiring training is not in the second amendment. Who's to say the next batch of politicians won't ask for "Just a bit more"? That's a slippery slope. You all know that if you give a gun-grabbing legislator an inch, they'll take a mile. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by shootbrownelk View Post
    Finally, someone with the right answer. Requiring training is not in the second amendment. Who's to say the next batch of politicians won't ask for "Just a bit more"? That's a slippery slope. You all know that if you give a gun-grabbing legislator an inch, they'll take a mile. JMO
    I agree, you should not need to take a drivers test or get a license to practice medicine either. They also are not in the constitution.

    This mentality is going to be the death of us gun owners. And while we scream about freedom and the second admentmet, God help any gun owner that excerises their right of freedom of speech. Agree with us or we will crush you. This was the thinking of Nazi Germany and Stalin. I got to say it worked.....for awhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippy Hacky View Post
    "Shall not be infringed". A right given to us by our creator, no requirement for a class.
    So what about the first part...do we ignore that? "Well regulated militia..." Funny how the training actually is mentioned before the part about guns.

    Picture yourself in a room. A large room with say, 400 people in it. Like a giant church meeting, or a convention. In comes uniformed soldiers, all with military weapons, and a man in a suit approaching the mic. The soldiers suround the room and then the suit speaks as to whats going on and why they are there....(say a dignitary is arriving to talk not a take over ).

    Many of us would be nervous at first, intrigued maybe, but not in shear panic....why? Because we recognize the uniform as " well regulated", or in other words, trained to restrain from stupid.

    Now lets tweak this same scenario. All thats needed is to replace a uniformed group of soldiers with guys in cut off plaid shirts, shotguns, AR's, AK's, bats, missing teeth, chewing tobacco being spit, and a loud mouth pistol swinging leader approaching the mic. The people will audibly be screaming before any words reach the audience, and more than likely, those of us carrying will have made a decision on how we will address the threat.

    Americans are mostly far from well regulated in any form or fashion. We have grown up in a world of thinking no one can tell us what to do. If they try we will sue em good, or shoot em dead. If law is crushed, we riot, loot, plunder, and destroy our own cities. I believe that training brings character, and character brings order and at some level, safety. Allowing law abiding citizens to rampage untrained with firearms has not yet caused issues, but it could.

    I understand no law keeps guns out of crazy peoples hands, and that is what the politicians seem to think will happen if they make more gun laws. Funny how the current laws aren't working on the crazies.

    However, training, and safety go hand in hand. Otherwise.....lets just give your teens the keys....who needs drivers ed anyway right? They will figure it out juuuuust fine cuz my kids are good kids!
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