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    x2 nv-hunter It seems like a new age of "entitlement hunters" is forming, The burn the farmer and hang the rancher mentality seems to go in to overdrive this time of year.... Any new land access needs and CAN be done with land trades, to say you would force access through private is absurd.

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    I agree 100% folks need to quit whining about the access issues when it come to chunks of locked up gov't land. There's plenty of other area's and opportunities to hunt without crying about not being able to access some chunk of BLM ground. However, while we're at it, I'd also like to see things taken a step further and end cowboy welfare. You know what I'm talking about; tax incentives and breaks no one else receives, gov't leases at below fair market value, and non stop gov't subsidies and handouts all doled out at the expense of the American taxpayer. Unless folks are Obama loving socialists, I'd think they'd support such an argument. Otherwise they'd just be hypocrites. Right?

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    [QUOTE=Triple BB;65861]I agree 100% folks need to quit whining about the access issues when it come to chunks of locked up gov't land. There's plenty of other area's and opportunities to hunt without crying about not being able to access some chunk of BLM ground. However, while we're at it, I'd also like to see things taken a step further and end cowboy welfare. You know what I'm talking about; tax incentives and breaks no one else receives, gov't leases at below fair market value, and non stop gov't subsidies and handouts all doled out at the expense of the American taxpayer. Unless folks are Obama loving socialists, I'd think they'd support such an argument. Otherwise they'd just be hypocrites. Right?[/QUO

    Lots of ranchers would be out of the game if they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nv-hunter View Post
    As a rancher and public land hunter , I have to say most of you should just pull up your big girl panties and get over your self. Most rancher have lived and worked thier land for generations. The reason it is still government land is because its marginal land and most likely the government doesnt control the water it's private. Now if you want to change access it will have to be done with deeded access. But what you'll end up with is as many people as on all the other public lands. Funny how everybody wants to curse the rancher but where do they want to hunt? His land because its managed and healthy. My opinion is the first rule that should be changed is the wilderness outfitter law, what total crap.
    What I don't understand is the difference between leasing the rights to gov't owned land in Wyoming and here in Colorado. Here in Co the cattle ranchers lease the grazing rights to Nat. For and BLM land. They fence off their leases, BUT cannot keep hunters out. Wyoming .....well thats sure different. I hunt on a ranch that has about 150, 000 acres of BLM leased and its fenced AND posted and patroled to keep out hunters w/o permission. The ranchers don't own it only lease it and they think and treat it as if the have the deed to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorado Cowboy View Post
    What I don't understand is the difference between leasing the rights to gov't owned land in Wyoming and here in Colorado. Here in Co the cattle ranchers lease the grazing rights to Nat. For and BLM land. They fence off their leases, BUT cannot keep hunters out. Wyoming .....well thats sure different. I hunt on a ranch that has about 150, 000 acres of BLM leased and its fenced AND posted and patroled to keep out hunters w/o permission. The ranchers don't own it only lease it and they think and treat it as if the have the deed to it.

    Just sayin..............
    If there is not a public road to the BLM then it's off limits. If theres a public road to it then the rancher can't do anything to keep you off of it. I'm pretty sure it's basically the same in CO and WY.

    I read an article about a recent land acquisition in WY by the state that quoted landowners adjacent to the property as being concerned about public hunters just "near" their fences. We're not talking about hunters begging for permission or even trespassing, they don't even want them NEAR their precious property. Some of us must be being very bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shootbrownelk View Post
    Stig, the public land rancher is leasing the GRASS, he doesn't own the wildlife, and shouldn't have one damned thing to say about what gets hunted as long as it's legal and in season. Heck, they even get to negotiate gas & oil lease agreements and THEY get a cut along with the state, sometimes far in excess of what their lease payment is. A stacked deck, to say the least.
    I completely understand that they only lease the grass, but in my opinion the price paid by the rancher to lease public land is very cheap in comparison to prices that would be paid for the alternative methods of grazing their livestock. I think the least that should be allowed in that situation is public access to the public land to hunt public wildlife. As said before there are more than enough good land owners out there that should be publically recognized for the great job they do managing their land and wildlife while still providing public access. Also, I disagree with the statement that the only lands that make it to WIA and Hunter management and the areas outfitters do not want due to lack of game. I have hunted plenty of excellent WIA and Hunter managment areas that IMHO were supurb!

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    Also, I disagree with the statement that the only lands that make it to WIA and Hunter management and the areas outfitters do not want due to lack of game. I have hunted plenty of excellent WIA and Hunter managment areas that IMHO were supurb![/QUOTE]

    I agree. If the G&F limits access (ie: not vehicle travel, except for maybe game retrieval) and sets permit numbers relative to the size of the property, the hunting can be very good. Some of them are way over hunted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiMtnHnter View Post
    If there is not a public road to the BLM then it's off limits. If theres a public road to it then the rancher can't do anything to keep you off of it. I'm pretty sure it's basically the same in CO and WY.
    Here in Colorado, if its leased for grazing (BLM or NF), its still public land....roads or no roads. I've actually climbed fences and hunted public land that was leased for grazing. It is not illegal to do it here. The big difference here is that they don't keep most of the cattle on it year round. On most of it they move them off around October 1. It really amazes me that there is such a big difference in how publically owned land is managed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stig87 View Post
    I completely understand that they only lease the grass, but in my opinion the price paid by the rancher to lease public land is very cheap in comparison to prices that would be paid for the alternative methods of grazing their livestock. I think the least that should be allowed in that situation is public access to the public land to hunt public wildlife. As said before there are more than enough good land owners out there that should be publically recognized for the great job they do managing their land and wildlife while still providing public access. Also, I disagree with the statement that the only lands that make it to WIA and Hunter management and the areas outfitters do not want due to lack of game. I have hunted plenty of excellent WIA and Hunter managment areas that IMHO were supurb!
    I guess you don't hunt antelope where I used to. Those 3 walk-in areas were terribly overgrazed, even the sagebrush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozeIn View Post
    x2 nv-hunter It seems like a new age of "entitlement hunters" is forming, The burn the farmer and hang the rancher mentality seems to go in to overdrive this time of year.... Any new land access needs and CAN be done with land trades, to say you would force access through private is absurd.
    Condemnation is done all the time in eastern states for public access, for access to lakes for fishing or for hunting. It just won't get done in Rancher controlled Legislatures in western states. It's not absurd, it's for the common good of the majority. Heck, I've even seen the state of Wyoming condemn land for access for a gravel pit for a private company.

 

 

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