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    Their prices seem a bit high. You might want to check out Utah and New Mexico if you are going to spend that much for a hunt. Lots of hunts in some great areas with landowner tags, so no draw necessary. Just have your bank account readt for a big withdrawl!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30Hart View Post
    Here lies a dilema that a lot of guys face that don't live close enough to the elk to effectively do their own scouting and prepare properly for a DIY hunt. They really want a big bull, but don't realize how difficult it can be to get a really big one say 340 or better. I'll use my uncle for an example...he's always wanted a 350 bull. I've pointed him in the right direction with the "short-list" of operations in various states like Wagonhound listed above. Obviously, he's found them too pricey even though he could afford them if he wanted to. Instead he's been on over 10 elk hunts ranging from $1,500-$4,000 and his biggest bull is a 260. He's spent over $25,000 spread over 30 years hunting elk. I told him to just save up for one premium hunt on a premium top-tier ranch. He's been "over-sold" on all his elk hunts trying to do it on the cheap. That's the problem picking up hunts at a "show"...unless you have first hand knowledge from guys that have hunted there you can fall pray to being oversold on a hunt.

    The DIYer is in the same tough boat as a lot of guys are putting faith in saving up points for that special elk hunt. The price can't be beat, but most guys don't realize the risks of putting all your eggs in one basket. A bad drought year, weather, forest fires...not being able to get off work for long enough to properly scout the area before the hunt, or family emergencies can ruin a hunt. Most guys w/ premium tags don't go home with monsters...some even go home with raghorns.

    That's a lot for a guy to consider, but if a guy is running out of time to hunt and defintely wants a big elk before they die I always advise them to just pay the money for a premium first-class operation on a ranch that has enough acreage to eliminate any issues.
    You nailed it! I've struggled with the same dilema for a few years as I am now 72. Lots of variables come into play and some of them money won't solve. If someone wants a trophy class elk close to 400", there are places to get one. Several large Canadian outfits do them, but the catch is lots of us don't consider them "Fair Chase" because they are completely fenced in ranches. Thousands of acres, but managed for trophies....just like farming IMHO. But if its horns you want..........
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    I would consider Utah or New Mexico so any ideas on areas or outfitters that someone has been in the last couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minn elk chaser View Post
    I would consider Utah or New Mexico so any ideas on areas or outfitters that someone has been in the last couple of years.
    In New Mexico is the old Chama Land & Cattle Co now owned by the Jicarilla Apaches. 36,000 acres and it is first class all the way. Hunts are around 10K. Now called "The Lodge and Ranch at Chama". I took a tour there a couple of years ago. Utah has Rulon Gardner's Broadmouth Ranch. Famous for huge bulls, but again lots of $$$. Gardner is an Olympic Heavyweight Wrestler Gold Medal winner. His place is fenced. So is part of the chama operation in NM. Lots of info on their webpages.
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    From my own personal experience I hunted area 7 before it was popular when I was a Wyoming resident. I had access to a huge private ranch and I was only 3 1/2 hours away so I was close enough to scout it plenty. I had a bull tag two years in a row. I shot a 347 bull the first year on the 3rd trip and on the second year I missed a 6X6 in heavy timber on opening day (only had a small spot to shoot offhand through) and I had settled for a spike on the last day as nothing seemed to work out that year. Goes to show you it doesn't matter what tag you have...stuff happens. If I was an out-of-stater DIY w/ max points and hunted the year I got the 347 bull I'd have been tickled pink, but if got the spike I'd probably be upset for burning the points. By the way, out of the 3 years I spent in area 7 most guys where putting raghorn 5/6s on the ground and not big bulls.

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    Broadmouth Ranch in Utah is owned by Rulon Jones, the former Denver Bronco, not Rulon Gardner the wrestler. His son pretty much runs the Utah ranch now and Rulon has moved up to Idaho to run his ranch up there, from what I understand. Utah has lots of options for what you are looking for, but if Wagonhound is not in your price range, it may be tough to get into the 340 type bulls. You could buy some great landowner or conservation tags for less than the price of Wagonhound, but if you want guided, you would have to add in the price of the outfitter. Most any limited entry unit in this state can kick out a 340 bull or two each year, very easily with a rifle or muzzleloader.

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    If yer wanting a guided hunt, you can absolutely take a trophy for a lot less than the Wagon Hound. I wouldn't waste my time with that outfit given the alternatives. Bob Sundeen takes huge bulls in 61, Gene Carrico shoots some monsters every year south of Rawlins. Justin Jarrett whacks some huge bulls out of Cody. The Q Ranch in 16. Take yer pick. If you'll spend some time researching outfitters, you'll find quite a few in the $5k - $7k range taking big bulls every year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedhead View Post
    Broadmouth Ranch in Utah is owned by Rulon Jones, the former Denver Bronco, not Rulon Gardner the wrestler. His son pretty much runs the Utah ranch now and Rulon has moved up to Idaho to run his ranch up there, from what I understand. Utah has lots of options for what you are looking for, but if Wagonhound is not in your price range, it may be tough to get into the 340 type bulls. You could buy some great landowner or conservation tags for less than the price of Wagonhound, but if you want guided, you would have to add in the price of the outfitter. Most any limited entry unit in this state can kick out a 340 bull or two each year, very easily with a rifle or muzzleloader.
    Yep your right. Wrong Rulon.
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    Thanks guys for the info it all helps .

    Thanks Triple B for the names and areas as they seem more in my price range. Will be in touch with them and see what happens.

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    $9500 is alot of money but sometimes you also get what you pay for. If you would be happy with a nice 6x6 its one thing but if you want an outfitted hunt with a high chance of a 340+ bull I think it is not going to be cheap. They must have something there to be able to get that much money for a hunt. Not saying you cant get a 340 bull DIY or on a less expensive guided hunt but your chances would probably be much lower.

 

 

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