Sure is lots of chatter about points systems and whether or not it's worth it anymore. Seems like lots of guy's are seeing the writing on the wall and getting out. It also seems like for every guy that gets out there's five more that start building points. This is evident when you look at the number of applicants increasing drastically the last few years. I'm just as guilty though. Just gave Utah $155 to apply for all species! If I could ever draw Elk and maybe deer and antelope just once I'll probably be out for good too.