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    It should be frowned on by everyone because IMHO it's not a very ethical thing to do since its an unfair advantage to the game and other hunters, especially if it's done during a hunting season. I don't believe there is any difference in the air space restrictions other than not being able to land in a wilderness area. There also may be other public lands that don't have a bonafide legal airstrip where it would also be illegal.
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    Minimum altitude over BLM is 2000 ft, although some landing is permitted.

    7-4-6. Flights Over Charted U.S. Wildlife Refuges, Parks, and Forest Service
    Areas

    a. The landing of aircraft is prohibited on lands or waters administered by
    the National Park Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, or U.S. Forest
    Service without authorization from the respective agency. Exceptions include:

    1. When forced to land due to an emergency beyond the control of the operator;
    2. At officially designated landing sites; or

    3. An approved official business of the Federal Government.

    b. Pilots are requested to maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet above the
    surface of the following: National Parks, Monuments, Seashores, Lakeshores,
    Recreation Areas and Scenic Riverways administered by the National Park
    Service, National Wildlife Refuges, Big Game Refuges, Game Ranges and Wildlife
    Ranges administered by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and Wilderness and
    Primitive areas administered by the U.S. Forest Service.

    NOTE-
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    Noise-Sensitive Areas, defines the surface of a national park area (including
    parks, forests, primitive areas, wilderness areas, recreational areas,
    national seashores, national monuments, national lakeshores, and national
    wildlife refuge and range areas) as: the highest terrain within 2,000 feet
    laterally of the route of flight, or the upper-most rim of a canyon or valley.
    c. Federal statutes prohibit certain types of flight activity and/or provide
    altitude restrictions over designated U.S. Wildlife Refuges, Parks, and Forest
    Service Areas. These designated areas, for example: Boundary Waters Canoe
    Wilderness Areas, Minnesota; Haleakala National Park, Hawaii; Yosemite
    National Park, California; and Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona, are
    charted on Sectional Charts.

    d. Federal regulations also prohibit airdrops by parachute or other means of
    persons, cargo, or objects from aircraft on lands administered by the three
    agencies without authorization from the respective agency. Exceptions include:
    1. Emergencies involving the safety of human life; or

    2. Threat of serious property loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topgun 30-06 View Post
    It should be frowned on by everyone because IMHO it's not a very ethical thing to do since its an unfair advantage to the game and other hunters, especially if it's done during a hunting season. I don't believe there is any difference in the air space restrictions other than not being able to land in a wilderness area. There also may be other public lands that don't have a bonafide legal airstrip where it would also be illegal.
    I like what Alaska has. You fly, you don't hunt the same day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2rocky View Post
    Minimum altitude over BLM is 2000 ft, although some landing is permitted.
    The statute you quoted in your post has nothing to do with BLM land administered under authority of the USDA That quote is specific for lands administered by the USFWS, USFS and the NPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorado Cowboy View Post
    I like what Alaska has. You fly, you don't hunt the same day.
    I'm in 100% agreement with that statement and it's too bad that all states don't go with that rule. It would also need to have the relaying of information from an airborne spotter made illegal and I know some states are now working on that, including the use of unmanned drones.

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    I flew as a student for about 50 hours and, as I remember the rules, the minimum safe altitude in uncongested areas it is 500' AGL. I do know that there is some languge about national parks, wildlife refuge, etc. that may add 500 more feet to this rule? any pilots out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKC View Post
    I flew as a student for about 50 hours and, as I remember the rules, the minimum safe altitude in uncongested areas it is 500' AGL. I do know that there is some languge about national parks, wildlife refuge, etc. that may add 500 more feet to this rule? any pilots out there?
    See post #13 section 3b in the shaded area for your answer.

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    "Use of Aircraft to Spot or Locate Wildlife
    No person shall use any aircraft to aid in the taking of any Wyoming wildlife, except predatory animals, whether by spotting or locating the wildlife, communicating with any person attempting to take the wildlife, or by providing other aid to any person taking the wildlife within twenty-four (24) hours of being airborne. This shall not apply to commercial, commuter or other aircraft used for the sole purpose of passenger transport."

    ...From Game and Fish website

    Scouting is obviously legal...A definite number of the "Big" bucks from region G area taken by outfitters are spotted in the air during summer..One outfitter, in particular, has a heck of reputation for monster bucks, but he also spends countless hours airborne in August. . To each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2rocky View Post
    Minimum altitude over BLM is 2000 ft, although some landing is permitted.
    I don't see BLM anywhere in those restrictions. It doesn't look like the 2000 ft. rule applies there, and that makes sense since BLM lands generally have the loosest motorized rules of any federal agency.

    As far as flying for scouting, if I had a plane I would do it as much as I could.

    I suppose if it is an unfair advantage, then I guess so is satellite imagery? Game cameras? GPS? headlamps?

    I guess what I mean is we all have to draw the line somewhere, and I think a reasonable line is you can't hunt the same day you fly, and you can't use someone flying to birddog game for you. That is how it is in Montana, and it seems reasonable to me. There are landlocked sections of public in MT that can only be accessed by air. I think it is makes sense to access it that way too.

 

 

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